2007-09-24 02:59:20

Hmm, that's pretty interesting Op, perhaps the piercing alter the flow of chakra in such a way that he can take them over. lol, Orochimaru would have loved this guy. Speaking of which i knew that fucker wasnt dead. hehehehe

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2007-09-24 10:55:38

Yea Oro isn't done by a long shot. No way they could let him go out in such a pitiful manner. He'll be better than ever in time. I don't think Kabuto will be able to fully hold off the Orochimaru side of him. He's no fool I wouldn't be surprised if Oro always knew of Kabuto's potential and kept him around as an insurance policy.

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2007-09-24 13:16:02

I bet my ass that Uchicha Madara (Tobi) is pulling all the strings. Note that Jiraiya said that he's the one who could have summoned Nine-Tails. Note also that all Jinchuruki (tailed demons) are or were being sealed into living humans at the same time... He probably summoned them all at near time so that the most powerful ninja of each village would deal with the demons and seal them into babies (note that Gaara is a bit similar to Naruto and they are at similar age...) and now Akatsuki are extracting demon chakra from the demon hosts. Madara probably made Pein so much more powerful and convinced him to be leader of Akatsuki so that he's not in the spotlight once counter-espionage of each village starts investing the organization. He had been probably looking after Uchicha clan and while Itachi was an obvious genius ninja, he also knew Sasuke has probably as much potential. Itachi was always ambitious so that it wasn't hard for Madara to convince to help him with his goals, but he knew Sasuke wasn't determined enough to train as hard to match Itachi, so Madara and Itachi made Sasuke want to kill his brother... And it paid off. The rest of Uchicha family was useless to Madara so wiping out entire clan wasn't a big waste for him. In the new episode he is watching Sasuke and wondering if he will get rid of Orochimaru's "legacy" from his soul/behaviour.
Now we probably know why Madara needs other 2 Mangekyou Sharingan users, but we don't know why he needs the demon chakra of all Jinchuruki.

The one to break all Madara's plans is probably Naruto as he 1)might have influence on Sasuke, 2)is a son of the most powerful Konoha's ninja ever and he already achieved things Minato wasn't able to do (or didn't have enough time to achieve) - such as that evolved Rasengan

So while Pein might be an interesting character and have some mysteries, he's probably only a tool.

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2007-09-24 13:46:16

Well it's been stated that the sealing of the tailed beasts into babies was a common practice by a number of villages so I wouldn't say madara summoned them all. Chiyo of the sand village confirmed that tailed beasts removed from previous hosts caused the host to die so it seems to me like a common practice by a number of ninja villages.

I suspect pein might not be a complete tool of Madara's as the way Konan responded to him when he was mentioning the new technique Naruto learned showed from her a sense of disgust at the very thought that Naruto much less anyone could present a challenge for Pein. Pein has never lost a battle and that's something even Madara himself acknowledged. If Pein has never lost a battle then it's assumable that Madara himself hasn't tested his skills against Pein or maybe wouldn't want to or doesn't see the need to because he respects his power enough to consider him a comrade or equal.

They probably share a similar goal as opposed to one being the tool of the other. Something is strange about Itachi I don't believe he's quite the ruthless power hungry person that he portrays himself as. There is a reason for what he has done. He wanted to speak to Naruto for a reason.. something I suspect that would reveal his true intentions. I wouldn't be surprised if what Itachi showed Sasuke about the Uchiha Clan's murder was all fake and he isn't actually the one that did it.

It's proven now you don't need to murder your best friend to achieve Mangekyou Sharingan because Kakashi has it. I suspect Itachi's main reason for having Sasuke develop all that anger in his heart to strive to become stronger the way he has done his entire life is because he believes he'll need Sasuke to defeat Uchiha Madara and wont be able to do it himself. I think Madara is the true murderer of the Uchiha Clan. Just my wild speculation

I actually wouldn't be surprised if Itachi were simply in the Akatsuki because he believed it would lead to him Madara. Itachi just doesn't fit the profile of the killer he has been portraying himself to be. He has always struck me as having his own motivations. The very fact that Pein, konan and Madara met by themselves and claimed Sasuke was dead in front of Itachi is suspicious to me. They probably know why Itachi is really in the Akatsuki.

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2007-09-24 20:47:04 In reply to Optimusv2 (2007-09-24 13:46:16)

What if Minato Namikaze did have a second child with Kushina Uzumaki and Pein was that child? Pein has to much of a resemblance to Naruto and the description of Kushina for there not to be some sort of family connection. Pein also exhibits, in a perverse way, the same character qualities as Naruto. Independent in thought process (the very unique jutsu that they do), desire to protect others (Naruto going bat **** crazy whenever someone he cares about is hurt and Pein leading a popular revolt/protecting the people of Amegakure), desire to become a powerful ninja (Naruto wants to be Hokage while Pein…. He has to have a plan for all those tailed beasts). Also Pein’s fighting technique, shown so far, is like Naruto. Naruto will form a shadow clone while Pein does his shape shifting jutsu. In some ways Pein is like a dark reflection of Naruto.

It’s stated that leaving power to your child is a natural thing to do in the Naruto universe so why wouldn’t Minato leave something for Pein? (Assuming that Pein is his child.) That would help explain why Pein has never lost a fight. The gift Minato left Naruto was pretty kick ass so I would expect something like that left to Pein. What if the gift was the ability to copy kekkei genkai? That would be a just as good as Naruto’s demon fox.

Also, when was Tobi completely taken as Marada Uchiha and that Marada can only jump into sharingan users? It seems more likely that Tobi is Obito that is being possessed by Marada but that Marada only comes out when needed. The Nine-Tails is sealed in a “cave” in Naruto. What if Marada in a cave in Tobi but isn’t sealed there?

Only having one sharingan eye as well as it being on the right side seems too coincidental for there not to be a connection between Tobi and Obito. Marada couldn’t have lived long enough in the same body. We have seen people using various jutsu to “extend” their lives by stealing others but never have we seen someone just naturally live forever. We also know that Orochimaru was looking for a way to become immortal when he left Khona. What if he joined Akatsuki after learning of the dual nature of Tobi/Obito? That would definitely be a draw for Orochimaru sine it would allow him to study HOW it was done so he could replicate it. Also, remember that Orochimaru first tried to use this technique on Itachi. Why would he try to take one someone as powerful and independent as Itachi first unless the technique was designed for sharingan users first and later modified for anyone?

As for what Marada is planning, I think it is the polar opposite of Itachi. I agree with you Op. I don’t think Itachi really kills without purpose. He killed his BFF to get the Mangekyo Sharingan but why kill the rest of the village? When he did kill the rest of the village why leave Sasuke? How did Itachi know how to obtain the Mangekyo Sharingan if it was considered very rare to get a fully evolved sharingan to begin with? Maybe Itachi realized that he was being groomed to be taken over but only after he had killed his BFF and set Sasuke on a path to obtain real ultimate power so that he could have some help in destroying Marada.

2007-09-24 22:07:30

DON'T READ THIS POST UNLESS YOU"VE READ LATEST MANGA EPISODES IT"S ALL SPOILER!!!!!! FOR SOME REASON SPOILER TAG DIDN'T WORK!

Yeah, but it's a little weird that there are ALL 9 demon hosts running around at the same time, isn't it?I'm not saying Pein is a weaksauce. Maybe I exaggerated when I said that Madara developed Pein as a ninja and gives him direct orders, but he might manipulating Pein. I think if he somehow survived 5-6 generations (assuming Tobi=Madara), then he might be pretty skilled at observing and manipulating people. I think Madara should be incredibly powerful and experienced.Yeah, when Itachi and another Akatsuki guy visited Konoha 3 years ago they didn't kill anyone IIRC, only gave them a little lesson.;) Maybe it was Madara who wiped out the clan.Well, Kakashi is a different beast altogether as he's not Uchicha, so he might have that different as well. But I think what makes someone to obtain Mangekyou Sharingan is incredible talent and act of incredible determination, so under normal circumstances killing your best friend is that needed act. In Sasuke's case it was facing Orochimaru - he could have left Orochimaru and not bother with him at all, but he was determined to get rid of him and obtain Mangekyou that way.No, I think Madara’s ambition is Itachi’s ambition as well. I think otherwise he would be threatened when he found out that his familly is dead and not so calm.That’s certainly a possibility, especially that Naruto’s mother was from the Rain village IIRC.We never said he could jump into Sharingan users. Tobi is taken as Madara Uchicha because Madara is considered a founder of Uchicha, was a son of a demon IIRC and was incredibly powerful and he could somehow find his way to live for all these years. Jiraiya mentioned that he is the only person that could summon 9 Tails.Maybe he’s the first one :P Tobi being Obito is a possibility, but Obito wasn’t a person that would fit into Akatsuki reallyDid Orochimaru try to capture Itachi’s body though? I thought it was just a mere conflict between them and Orochimaru got incredibly humiliated and that’s why he was so obsessed about Sharingan. And Orochimaru wanted to be immortal and was doing a lot of research by himself and probably found it by himself as it was highly flawed method (if Madara captured Tobi he would have to change the body after 3 years… and the time gap is longer than that).Apparently Madara doesn’t kill without purpose either. Sasuke couldn’t have a family member alive so that only thought about vengeance would keep him alive and motivated.

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2007-09-24 22:52:34

In reply to szaromir:

I think it's the red hair that seals the deal. The looks of his father with the hair of his mother.

But how do you account for his Marada's age unless he is jumping from body to body. It would also make sense for him to talior the "jump jutsu" to sharingan users since he would belive they were the only ones powerful enough for him.

As for Obito not fitting in Akatsuki, Tobi never seemed to fit in the Akatsuki either. He was always so up-beat that it made the others seem even darker. Just like how Obito made Kakashi seem meaner then he was. If you look at how Tobi was acting infront of Pein, that's nothing how we saw him act before then. It was as if he was a totally different person.

I believe that Orochimaru did try to take Itachi's body but because the jutsu was new, Itachi didn't know what was going on. Just that Orochimaru was attacking him. Orochimaru had to be obsessed with the sharingan BEFORE his defeat though. His dream was two fold. Immoratility first but only so he can master every jutsu. Knowing of the powers of the sharingan, since he was from the same village, the thought of figureing out how Marada had been transfering his body into sharingan users must have been too good of a chance for Big O to pass up. Big O is sort of a loaner so why would he team up with others. He always came across to me as having a Napoleonic complex.

As for the time gap, we don't know how the tranfer takes place or the best age for it. It might be more like how Kabuto is suffering now. A slow take over of the body and mind. Maybe after Obito (Assuming the Obito=Tobi is correct) was captured he didn't die and Marada was able to transfer into him then. Before Obito could regain his strength, Marada could give orders to set everything in motion. I assume that Marada has a set of followers here.

I think Marada wants to take down the...human/crow demon....thing. Sorry but i can't think of the name right now. The one that is hinted as being the source of the sharingan's power. He needs as many powerful sharingan users as possible and seeing how gifited a ninja Sasuke was compared to every other user he provided some motivation to improve.

2007-09-25 01:26:43

Checking spoiler tags

Oh okay wonder what went wrong hopefully nobody reads those posts packed with spoilers :o

I'll assume that whatever madara has done to preserve himself for this long just might be a bit different than orochimaru's technique. Orochimaru changing bodies when he has to is just a side effect of his technique, but there is no telling if Madara has a superior technique

Oh manic you are referring to sojobo the king of Tengu

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2007-09-26 12:04:56

I wonder if these are Pein and Konan:

http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/198472105820...

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2007-09-26 15:14:35

Yes I definitely think so and some of the later spoilers (which are still unconfirmed btw) suggest that the girl and boy is definitely pein

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October 20th 2007 (A good day)

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2007-09-26 15:50:42

That kid looks nothing like Pein. Young Kakashi looked like adult Kakashi. Young Jaraiya looked like adult Jaraiya. Young Big O looked like adult Big O. It doesn't make sense for that pudgy looking kid is Pein.

I did think of something that I'm almost sure is wrong. What if Pein is really Minato that has been totally screwed up by sealing the 9 tails? Having Naruto fight his father, whom he has never really known, would make for a good read.

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2007-09-26 18:54:48

I don't know if it's allowed on the forums and if it isn't then just please delete my post but, I found a site that lets you watch the Naruto Shippuden episodes. They are subbed in english so you know what's being said but if you are watching these you already know what's going on.

http://www.aninaruto.com/

They need to stop doing filler arks and finish the first part of the series so I can watch these on TV.

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2007-09-26 19:10:20

Manic you are forgetting something very important. How do we know if we've ever seen pein's true body? Don't forget he switches bodies at will and he has 5 others in that secret room he went into

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October 20th 2007 (A good day)

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2007-09-26 20:04:24

True but with Big O's transformation jutsu, his looks eventually took over. Maybe this new body will eventually start to look like Pein's old as would any other he would use.

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2007-10-02 19:27:07

Just how bad ass is Pein? To take down a chunin at that age seems like it would be beyond even the 4th at the same age. I hope the next chapter delivers some more insight.

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2007-10-04 02:06:15

Here comes new spoilers for next chapter! Assuming they are legit, but it sounds good!

The time when Nagato was a child, after the changing of his eye and the naming of it to 'spiral eye'. (It wasn't spiral eye before) note: the name of the eye changes to 'metempsychosis' which is believed to be the 'migration of the soul to another body'

Within the three great eye techniques, it is the most supreme eye, the ancestor of the ninja had six bodies with these eyes
Note: the first part is actually (the three great pupil techniques) could be inference to byakugan and sharingan

It was the eye that Rokudou Sennin, said to be the ancestor of all shinobis, had.

All modern ninjutsu used by shinobi were developed by this hermit fellow (or fellows).

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2007-10-04 02:56:45

If Pain has the most powerful eye technique, why is he taking orders from Madara (possibly).

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2007-10-04 03:02:01 In reply to mkk316 (2007-10-04 02:56:45)

I actually don't really believe he's taking orders from Madara. I think Madara was more speaking to him as an equal or very well respected up and coming shinobi he wants to be on his side rather than someone he bosses around

I mean afterall, it can't be overlooked that Pein has NEVER lost a fight.

If this stuff is true it essentially makes Pein like a successor to the God of all shinobi considering he may have the abilities of the very shinobi that created all modern ninjutsu that is used today. A possible reason why he's referred to as god. He has exactly six bodies :o



The real name of it appears to be

I'd just like to point out that 輪廻 (Rinne) is a Buddhist term for Samsara, or the cycle of rebirth. So the literal translation would be the Samsara eye.

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2007-10-04 03:14:57

If he is indeed taking orders from Madara, he may just be using him for his experience, or because he possess knowledge that he needs. Only listening to Madara until some goal is accomplished, and then he simply takes him out. If Madara really did summon the Nine Tails, i think its reasonable to assume he's the only real threat to Pein's authority.

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2007-10-04 19:24:30

I think Jiraiya will definitely prove to be a serious threat to Pein's Authority I mean he did train him. Pein no doubt has learned many other tricks since his time with Jiraiya, but I think there is no question the man who the 3rd wanted to be Hokage will surely be a threat to Pein. For all we know Pein's migration of the soul to another body like he did with Itachi and Kisame is how Madara is still alive.

I suspect Madara isn't as strong as he use to be when he fought the 1st Hokage, but still impressive enough. He once said something about bringing about the sharingan's true power I, Uchiha Madara's power.

Pretty much if Pein can take on Jiraiya or pose a serious threat to him I think there is no question he could just as easily pose a threat to Madara, but they appear to be working together somehow. I mean we've seen many cases where bad guys that consider themselves on the same level talk down to eachother or patronize the other. We see it a lot within the Akatsuki. All Madara said to Pein was As the leader your failure is unacceptable. That could mean there will be consequences or it could just as easily mean "I expect a lot from you I don't expect to be disappointed" Even Madara confirmed Pein has never lost a battle. Pein is the same person that took out Hanzou who defeated all 3 sannin by himself so I think it would seem almost unimaginable that Pein isn't on par with Madara.

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2007-10-04 20:39:41

It has all been confirmed true!


Jiraiya: I've decided to teach you guys ninjutus.

Yahiko: R..REALLY!?

Jiraiya: You never know when your lives will be in danger like last time. These ninjutus are for protecting yourselves.

Yahiko: ALRIGHT!

Nagato: ....

Jiraiya: ....

Jiraiya: Think about what you're going to do...

Nagato: ....

Nagato: Yahiko rescued Konan and me when we were hungry and crying. He even went as far as stealing other people's food...

Jiraiya: .....

Nagato: I just want to protect those two. No matter how much pain will follow.

Jiraiya: Is that so....

Jiraiya: Konan...You'll be beautiful. Let's meet again when you get big.

Jiraiya: This country is poor...And there's probably more sad things ahead. But this time, use your powers to change this country!

Jiraiya: Nagato...you guys have grown...right?

Nagato: .....

Nagato: Thank you, sensei.

Jiraiya: Your appearance changed quite a bit, but those eyes....So you are Pein after all....Nagato.

Jiraiya: It seems you haven't grown properly...What happened?

Pein/Nagato: You don't need to know....In any case, you're an outsider.


That is one part and here are some other parts

ナンバー373：師弟時代…！！
373: The apprenticeship!

まだ伝説と呼ばれる以前、盛夏に繁る青葉の時代、彼は彼らと出会っていた。
It was in his rugged youth that he met them, before he became a legend.


自来也(あの形状あの波紋模様…！信じられん…！！あの眼…三大瞳術の中でも最も崇高とされる眼…輪廻眼！ ！

Jiraiya(looking at Nagato's eyes): I can't believe what I'm seeing! These eyes...they correspond to the most venerable of the Three Great Doujutsu...Rinnegan!

忍の始祖とされる六道仙人…現在の全ての忍術はその輪廻眼を持つ仙人により生み出されたという …。

It is said The Hermit of The Six Paths, precursor to all shinobi, possessed Rinnegan...and that it was he who created modern ninjutsu...

それは世が乱れた時に天より使わされる想像神とも全てをゼロに戻す破壊神ともいわれる…。
It is also said to be an imaginary god* employed by the heavens when the world is seeped in turmoil, or a god of destruction which returns all to nothingness...

*not sure about this one.

神話の如き話だと思っていたが…本当に輪廻眼を持つ者が存在するとは…)
I'd always dismissed it as a myth...never imagined Rinnegan users truly existed...

小南が長門に肩を貸し、四人は洞窟へ
The four return to their dwelling, Nagato suporting himself on Konan's shoulder.

自来也「お前たちに忍術を教えてやることにした」
Jiraiya: I've decided to teach you guys Ninjustu.

弥彦「！ほ…ホントか！？」
Yahiko: You...you mean it!?

自来也「この前のようにいつ命の危険があるやも知れんからの。己の身を守る為の忍術だ」
Jiraiya: Well, you never know when you'll find yourselves in danger like you were back there. I'm teaching you ninjutsu so you can take care of yourselves.

弥彦「よーしィ！」
Yahiko: Alright!

長門「………」
Nagato: ...

自来也「………」
Jiraiya:...

弥彦「この前は助けてくれてありがとな長門！弱虫とか言って悪かった！何かあったら今度はオレが長門を助け てやるからな！」
Yahiko: Thanks for saving my neck back there, Nagato! Sorry for calling you a weakling! And let me tell you, next time we're in trouble, it'll be me saving you!

長門「あ…ありがとう弥彦」
Nagato: Tha...thanks, Yahiko.

小南「えー？でも弥彦より長門の方が強いんだよ！」
Konan: Hey, wait a minute! Nagato's stronger than you, Yahiko!

弥彦「これから修行して強くなんだよ！小南は一言多いよ！」
Yahiko: Oh, shut up, Konan! I'm gonna train and grow strong myself!

自来也「よし！じゃあ始めるか。最初はチャクラを練る修行だ」
Jiraiya: Alright, let's get this started. First, how to mold chakra!

三人「ハイ！先生！！」
The three kids: Yes, Sensei!

and this is another part might contain some stuff from parts I mentioned already.

One night...

？「うっ…う…うっ…」
?: *sniff...*sniff*, *sniff...*

自来也「！」
Jiraiya: !

何かが聞こえて目覚める自来也
起きてみると長門の姿がない
Jiraiya is wakes to find Nagato missing.

長門「うっ…」
Nagato: *sniff...*

小屋の外でうずくまり泣いている長門
その肩をポンと叩く自来也
Outside the shed, Nagato's crying. Jiraiya approaches and pats him on the shoulder.

自来也「何かあるようだの…言ってみろ」
Jiraiya: So what's on your mind...let's hear it!

長門「！先生……」
Nagato: Sensei...!

自来也「この前のことか？」
Jiraiya: 'this about what happened the other day?

長門「あの時……弥彦が傷つけられた時ものすごく相手に腹が立ったんだ。
その後頭が真っ白になって…無我夢中で…それで気が付いたら相手は倒れてた…。
その後すごく恐くなったんだ…憎くて…我を忘れてボクが相手を…！！ボクのしたことは間違ってて…！ホント はもっといい方法が…！！」
Nagato: What happened... is got really angry at the guy when he hurt Yahiko. And then it's like I lost my mind...I went berserk...and when I came to my senses, the guy's lying there on the ground...and then it was fear...When I got angry, I lost my mind and did something terrible! It was wrong! There's gotta be a better way than what I did!

自来也「長門…！！」
Jiraiya: Nagato...!

長門「……！」
Nagato: ...!

自来也「ワシもそれが正しいのか間違っているのか良く分からん。だがお前のお陰で弥彦は死なずに済んだ。友 達を守った……お前は正しいことをしたハズだ。誰もお前を責められはしないのォ…傷つけられれば憎しみを覚 える…逆に人を傷つければ恨まれるし罪悪感にも苛まれる
だがそういう痛みを知っているからこそ人に優しく出来ることもある。それが人だ」

Jiraiya: I can't say whether it was right or wrong myself...but I can tell you that you saved Yahiko's life back there. You protected your friend...and that's the right thing to do. No one's gonna blame you for what you did...it's only natural to feel anger when you're hurt. The other side of the coin is that when you hurt people, not only do earn their hatred, but you're left to deal with your own guilt as well. But, ironically, it's this very pain which allows us to be kind to others. Such is human nature.

長門「………それって…どういうこと…？」
Nagato: ... So... what am I supposed to do?

自来也「成長するってことだの」
Jiraiya: Grow up, is what.

長門「成長するって…つまりどういうこと？」
Nagato: Grow up? What do you mean by that?

自来也「どうするか…自分で考えることだ」
Jiraiya: Growing up means deciding for yourself what to do.

長門「……弥彦はボクと小南がお腹を空かせて泣いてる時に助けてくれた。人の食べ物を盗んでま で…」
Nagato: Yahiko saved Konan and me when we were starving and all we could do was cry. He went as far as to steal food for us...

自来也「………」
Jiraiya:...

長門「ボクはただ二人を守りたい。どんなに痛みが伴うことがあったとしても」
Nagato: What I want to do is look after them - no matter what pain may come.

自来也「…そうか」
Jiraiya: I see...

This is all over the place, but this is all accurate info from the latest chapter. So Pein is like the equivalent of a god of all shinobi.. insane!

Here is the link to the Chinese Manga for now not translated, but with the text I provided above you guys should be able to make out most if not all of it.
http://rapidshare.com/files/60236980/hy373rqf-gy-_...

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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.

pssh! more like electronic gay-ming monthly! amirite

2007-10-04 21:00:14

Seems like I was wrong about that Pein guy - he has interesting bloodline and abilities, perhaps even better than Uchicha clan?

I'm rereading all Naruto manga episodes now. I'm at volume #27. Going back to the old episodes and rereading some stuff makes me understand a bit more of Naruto universe. I also admire how it is wonderfully crafted - a random sentece might have great meaning 50 episodes later.

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2007-10-04 23:09:24

Definitely seems like it! :)

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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.

pssh! more like electronic gay-ming monthly! amirite

2007-10-04 23:52:50

Here is perfect translation of entire chap Knowing how young they were I don't see it as impossible madara with all his experience and strength could come in and mold nagato/pein in his image. So it would make sense for Pein to have a lot of respect for and follow Madara then

Page 1:
Title: The Student/Teacher Era
Side: He met them during his wild, younger days...before he became a legend.

Page 2:
Jiraiya: That ripple-like pattern...

How is this possible?!

Those eyes....Of the three great eye techniques, they are, without question, the most powerful...

The Rin'negan! (H: Rin'ne is a term that means "The endless cycle of life, death, and rebirth.)

Page 3:
Jiraiya: They were said to be posessed by the "Sage of the Six Paths"...
The founder of the whole ninja world...whose knowledge and skills gave birth to ninjutsu itself.

[H: 六道, "Rokudou", is a buddhist term. See the explination at the end of the translation. Scanners, you might like to put all the info on a separate page. It's kinda neat.]

They were called a tool of heaven itself...a tool of God that would bring salvation when the world was in chaos...or weapon that would destroy all creation, and return everything to dust...
I always discounted those stories as myths and folktales...

But here I am, staring directly at the Rin'negan with my own eyes.

Page 4:
Jiraiya: I've decided to teach you all ninjutsu.

Yahiko: N-no fooling?

Jiraiya: There's no telling when you'll have to fight for your lives again, like earlier.
I'll teach you some techniaques so you can fend for yourselves.

Yahiko: YAAAY!

Page 5:
Yahiko: Hey, thanks for saving me, Nagato!
I'm sorry I called you a crybaby!

Next time something happens, I'll save you, promise!

Nagato: Th-thanks, Yahiko...

Konan: Huh? But I thought Nagato was tougher thank you, Yahiko?
Yahiko: Ha! I'll train my butt off
and make you eat those words, Konan!

Page 6:
Jiraia: Good, then let's get started! The first thing you need to do is learn how to draw out your chakra...

Three: Yes sir, Sensei!

Text: One night...
Voice: Uh-uuuuhaaaha...

Page 7:
Nagato: Uhwa-

SFX: Pat

Jiraiya: What's wrong? You can tell me.
SFX: Sit

Nagato: Sensei...

Jiraiya: Is it about what happened earlier?

Nagato: When...
When I saw Yahiko get hurt,
I got real real mad at that guy...

Then I blacked out...
Or went out of my mind...

Page 8:
Nagato: When I came to, that guy was on the ground.

I felt so scared, and angry...
I must have lost it, and, and I k-killed...
I shouldn't have done it!

We could've found another way to-

Jiraiya: Nagato!

Jiraiya: I don't know if what you did was right or wrong, either.

But Yahiko only survived because of you.
Protecting your friend, at least, was definitely the right thing to do. No one would blame you.

Page 10:
Being hurt inevitably breeds feelings of hatred towards your attacker. But when we hurt others, we have to deal with their hatred for US, AND our own feelings of guilt.

But knowing what it feels like to be hurt is exactly why we try to be kind to others.

That's what makes us human.

Nagato: What...what do I have to do to be like that?

Jiraiya: You have to grow up.

Nagato: ...how can I do that?

Page 11:
Jiraiya: How, indeed? I think you'll need to answer that on your own.

Nagato: When Konan and I were alone, crying because we were so hungry,
Yahiko came and saved us.

He even stole food from other people...

I just wanna keep them safe.
No matter what kinda pain I have to go through.

Jiraiya: Mm-hmm...

Page 12:
Yahiko: Water Element - Chaos Waves! (Suiton - Mizuranppa)

Konan: Paper Shuriken!

Page 13:
SFX: Clap
Nagato: Wind Element - Cyclone Punch! (Fuuton - Reppuuken)

SFX: HYUUUUUU

SFX: WHAM

Three: We got him!

Page 14:
Jiraiya: I'm impressed...you actually took out one of my Shadow Clones.
Yahiko: Whatcha think, sensei?

Jiraiya: I think I can go back to my village without any regrets.

Yahiko: Wha...

Jiraiya: You three have done so well these past three years.
Now it's time you lived your own lives.

Jiraiya: Uh oh, don't cry, Yahiko! Everyone will think you're a wuss, right?

Page 15:
Jiraiya: Konan...I can tell you'll be a real beauty...come see me again when you turn 18!

Jiraiya: You live in a very poor, needy country...I'm sure that a lot of sad times still lie ahead for it...
that's why you three have to work together to change things.

Jiraiya: I'd say you three have all grown up.
Right, Nagato?

Nagato: Thank you...sensei.

Page 16:
Jiraiya: A few years after I left, I started hearing your names come up occasionally.

Any time there was trouble, whoever opposed your side would wind up dead.

Konan: You have no idea what happened to us after you left, sensei.

Jiraiya: You're absolutely right, I don't.
But there's no doubt in my mind that what Akatsuki's doing is wrong!

Pain: That's YOUR opinion...

Page 17:
Pain: Jiraiya-sensei.

Page 18:
Jiraiya: You've changed a lot, but those eyes...
so YOU'RE Pain, eh Nagato?

I guess you didn't grow up like I'd hoped you would.
What HAPPENED to you three?

Pain: You don't need to know.
You're just an outsider, remember?

Text: Pain's fearsome powers threaten Jiraiya!

FIN

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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.

pssh! more like electronic gay-ming monthly! amirite

2007-10-05 02:42:26

good heavens, this is gonna be ridiculously awesome. :)

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Saying you cant find animaton in Japan is like saying you cant find food in Italy