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alimokrane
alimokrane
Depuis 1465 Jours

04/09/2006 à 18:54:49 En réponse à Terra (04/09/2006 à 18:51:31)

Posté par Terra
On the contrary, VGA is perfect for HDTVs…
Really, I certainly didnt know that.

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lefte3
Depuis 1215 Jours

04/09/2006 à 18:54:54 En réponse à GriftGFX (04/09/2006 à 18:46:31)

Posté par GriftGFX
He was exadgerating, but not by much:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82...

Edit: Also, if they ever decide to start using HDCP, the "cheap" PS3 won't be displaying those movies in 1080p atleast.
even without the digital-only flag, they won't give you 1080p via analog for movies, period.
Jollipop
Jollipop
Depuis 1418 Jours

04/09/2006 à 19:32:36 En réponse à lefte3 (04/09/2006 à 18:46:16)

Posté par lefte3
the CPU isn't HDCP compatible or not, there is no such thing on a CPU. the video card, the connector, and the display. thats it. the cpu isn't "hdcp compatible". You don't know what you're talking about. the extra chip I'm talking about is a specific chip required for hdcp compatibility that has to be on the videocard when dealing w/ pcs that actually does the hdcp encoding/decoding. only some of the ati cards actually have them, even though the gpu's are hdcp-capable, without that chip it doesn't do it.

http://store.4linkcomm.com/hdmatohdmago1.html

If you think that there is a difference between the $5 hdmi cable and the $100 ones then you're just the kind of sucker the guys selling the $100 cables are looking for.
Ok clever clogs, the PS3 and 360 and no doubt PC's will use the CPU as their decoder, so how will they stop people ripping the data from the disc decoding it via a CPU and dumping it back on the hard drive ? (ready to be copied to a disc)

Well a nitwit like you may not know what hes looking for, but a $5 cable will have shitty drop out and signal degradation.

"even without the digital-only flag, they won't give you 1080p via analog for movies, period."

Sony disagree with you as they have said several time thats the PS3 will output movies in 1080p via component.
(granted Sony lie, but then Blu-Ray is their baby why would they create such a nasty lie :P)
lefte3
Depuis 1215 Jours

04/09/2006 à 20:04:11 En réponse à Jollipop (04/09/2006 à 19:32:36)

Posté par Jollipop
Ok clever clogs, the PS3 and 360 and no doubt PC's will use the CPU as their decoder, so how will they stop people ripping the data from the disc decoding it via a CPU and dumping it back on the hard drive ? (ready to be copied to a disc)

Well a nitwit like you may not know what hes looking for, but a $5 cable will have shitty drop out and signal degradation.

"even without the digital-only flag, they won't give you 1080p via analog for movies, period."

Sony disagree with you as they have said several time thats the PS3 will output movies in 1080p via component.
(granted Sony lie, but then Blu-Ray is their baby why would they create such a nasty lie :P)
yes, tpeople are going to intercept the movie between the cpu and the videocard and rip it. sounds like you know exactly how that works. jollipop, you are a genius, hold on while I go get you a nobel prize.

I honestly don't understand why someone would say something that they obviously don't know about, and doesn't even make sense if you think about it. I beg you, please look up the HDCP-compatible graphics cards and see if any of them say you need "HDCP in the cpu".

or go to cyberlinks website and read the specs for their hd dvd and blu-ray player software and see if it requires an hdcp compatible processor. i'll wait.

actually, you don't have to waste your time, because none of them say such a thing, because no such thing exists. If you believe a digital signal can't be transmitted over a $5 cable, then you my friend are the nitwit. There's no such thing as signal degradation. It's digital, you either get it or you don't period. You've never used one and you don't know how they work, please stop talking.

You don't don't get movie playback in 1080p via analog, period. You can read the sony website right now and see that, so I have no idea why you would even argue something easily disproven.

Jollipop
Jollipop
Depuis 1418 Jours

04/09/2006 à 21:40:32

please stop talking.
Um im not talking, i'm typing, but how about NO !

You really think they will allow people to rip the video content like that ? Come on! (the main reason companies want to move to Blu-Ray and HD-DVD is to stop piracy)

Digital signals can loose siginal strength and unlike analogue signals once it's gone its gone for good.

You buy your $5 cable i will buy my more expensive one, one that doesn't fall apart.
lefte3
Depuis 1215 Jours

04/09/2006 à 21:52:55 En réponse à Jollipop (04/09/2006 à 21:40:32)

Posté par Jollipop
please stop talking.
Um im not talking, i'm typing, but how about NO !

You really think they will allow people to rip the video content like that ? Come on! (the main reason companies want to move to Blu-Ray and HD-DVD is to stop piracy)

Digital signals can loose siginal strength and unlike analogue signals once it's gone its gone for good.

You buy your $5 cable i will buy my more expensive one, one that doesn't fall apart.
So....found that HDCP compatible CPU yet? you haven't.

found that ps3 that plays blu-ray movies at 1080p over analog? you haven't.

found a $100 hdmi cable that actually lasts longer than the $5 cable? you haven't.

thanks for coming.
roxwell
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Depuis 1483 Jours

04/09/2006 à 22:03:55

Agree to disagree and let that be the end of it please.

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lefte3
Depuis 1215 Jours

04/09/2006 à 22:10:42 En réponse à roxwell (04/09/2006 à 22:03:55)

Posté par roxwell
Agree to disagree and let that be the end of it please.
so...namecalling is cool on xboxyde? apparently I'm a nitwit and a tit. I'm jsut trying to figure out whic hwords don't get you banninated.
lefte3
Depuis 1215 Jours

04/09/2006 à 22:11:23 En réponse à Jollipop (04/09/2006 à 22:08:34)

Posté par Jollipop
Wow you really are a giant TIT.
If by TIT you mean I've actually taken the time to check to see if something is true before I say it, then I totally agree with you.
roxwell
PuS3Y roxwell - PuS3Y
Depuis 1483 Jours

04/09/2006 à 22:28:41 En réponse à lefte3 (04/09/2006 à 22:10:42)

Posté par lefte3
so...namecalling is cool on xboxyde? apparently I'm a nitwit and a tit. I'm jsut trying to figure out whic hwords don't get you banninated.
No, it's not.

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Phaethon360
Mr Pantsies Phaethon360 - Mr Pant<s>s</s>ies
Depuis 1380 Jours

04/09/2006 à 22:42:50 En réponse à lefte3 (04/09/2006 à 21:52:55)

Posté par lefte3
found that ps3 that plays blu-ray movies at 1080p over analog? you haven't.
Isn't component an analog signal? And if HDCP isn't gonna be used till 2010, won't component play 1080p until its in use?

A cheap HDMI cable solves my pricey PS3 cable solution, now, to solve the dilemma of the pricey PS3!

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Laz45
Depuis 1176 Jours

05/09/2006 à 00:17:29

I have this HDMI cables and they don't fallout and as good as any $50+ cable and I'm comparing them to my Blue Jean HDMI cable that are comparable to Monster Cables
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id...
Jato
Jato
Depuis 1411 Jours

05/09/2006 à 00:20:11

So you can get any hdmi cable for the ps3, but for the 360 you need to get one that costs $100?

How many does MS expect to sell of these?

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Jollipop
Jollipop
Depuis 1418 Jours

05/09/2006 à 01:41:37 En réponse à Laz45 (05/09/2006 à 00:17:29)
GriftGFX
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Depuis 1535 Jours

05/09/2006 à 01:47:26 En réponse à Jato (05/09/2006 à 00:20:11)

Posté par Jato
So you can get any hdmi cable for the ps3, but for the 360 you need to get one that costs $100?

How many does MS expect to sell of these?
I'd actually much rather know the purpose..the console doesn't support digital video output, I thought? I understand the purpose of adding support for HDCP, but is that even possible? I don't see the need--is there a problem with the way 720p is handled over component?

Edit: Nice stealth edit there Jolli :P
Jollipop
Jollipop
Depuis 1418 Jours

05/09/2006 à 01:59:22

What i didn't edit it .. hmmm
GriftGFX
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05/09/2006 à 02:52:59 En réponse à Jollipop (05/09/2006 à 01:59:22)

Posté par Jollipop
What i didn't edit it .. hmmm
HAX!
Acert93
Mr. Bad Cop Depuis 1505 Jours

05/09/2006 à 03:15:27 En réponse à roxwell (04/09/2006 à 22:03:55)

Posté par roxwell
Agree to disagree and let that be the end of it please.
Well they both know better on the name calling, so that is that.

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GriftGFX
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05/09/2006 à 03:38:44 En réponse à Acert93 (05/09/2006 à 03:15:27)

Posté par Acert93
Well they both know better on the name calling, so that is that.
Acert I appreciate that you're a good moderator and all that--but you're also supreme geek around these parts and I demand you answer the questions I raised in my previous post (well, previous previous).

What in the world is the purpose behind this peripheral? I understand why the PS3 benefits from HDMI (uncompressed audio, for one)--but even with the HD-DVD accessory, isn't output limited to 720p anyway? If so--what in the world would be the purpse behind this?
Acert93
Mr. Bad Cop Depuis 1505 Jours

05/09/2006 à 04:40:02

Hey Grift,

Not a lot of info to go by. Some suggest it was misplaced. Which makes sense in that Xenos outputs the frame to the memory and the WebTV groups scalar chip does the output. To my knowledge, from chatting with Dave Baumann, the 360s scalar seems to be analog and not digital. Thus you have VGA, Component, Composit, S-Video, etc -- all analog. So if this is an HDMI cable (no sound????) for the 360, it would have to be some analog-to-digital converter... if the info from ATI is correct, which they are VERY tight lipped. (e.g. Memexport on Xenos is basically Streamout, i.e. part of the D3D10 workflow, but this was not known until recently... why is this relevant? Hardware tesselation + Streamout + Unified Shaders that are flexible basically approximate Geometry Shaders, at least some of the basic concepts... yet this info is not easy to come by).

Here are my theories.

1. It was misplaced.

2. It is a cable for the NEW 360 SKU. I can 100% confirm by 2 sources that the 360 IS getting a model with an HDMI port.

3. It is a converter, analog-to-digital, and there is NO benefit... Less the few TVs that have/will have DVI but no Component.

Anyhow, none of that probably answers your question, but maybe that wets your mouth?

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Optimusv2 said: "Gun for the 360 has better graphics than both Halo 3 and Gears of War"
Optimusv2
Optimusv2
Depuis 1427 Jours

05/09/2006 à 04:48:30

I'm drooling over here acert drooling and this is the part that got me drooling.

if the info from ATI is correct, which they are VERY tight lipped. (e.g. Memexport on Xenos is basically Streamout, i.e. part of the D3D10 workflow, but this was not known until recently... why is this relevant? Hardware tesselation + Streamout + Unified Shaders that are flexible basically approximate Geometry Shaders, at least some of the basic concepts... yet this info is not easy to come by).

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GriftGFX
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05/09/2006 à 05:45:23 En réponse à Optimusv2 (05/09/2006 à 04:48:30)

Posté par Acert93
Hey Grift,

Not a lot of info to go by. Some suggest it was misplaced. Which makes sense in that Xenos outputs the frame to the memory and the WebTV groups scalar chip does the output. To my knowledge, from chatting with Dave Baumann, the 360s scalar seems to be analog and not digital. Thus you have VGA, Component, Composit, S-Video, etc -- all analog. So if this is an HDMI cable (no sound????) for the 360, it would have to be some analog-to-digital converter... if the info from ATI is correct, which they are VERY tight lipped. (e.g. Memexport on Xenos is basically Streamout, i.e. part of the D3D10 workflow, but this was not known until recently... why is this relevant? Hardware tesselation + Streamout + Unified Shaders that are flexible basically approximate Geometry Shaders, at least some of the basic concepts... yet this info is not easy to come by).

Here are my theories.

1. It was misplaced.

2. It is a cable for the NEW 360 SKU. I can 100% confirm by 2 sources that the 360 IS getting a model with an HDMI port.

3. It is a converter, analog-to-digital, and there is NO benefit... Less the few TVs that have/will have DVI but no Component.

Anyhow, none of that probably answers your question, but maybe that wets your mouth?
Well, that's more or less what I had in my head before I asked, but thank you for the clarification. All three theories seem sound enough, really--though numero three would be simply..hilarious?

Atleast I now am fairly certain that I don't care one way or another about this issue.
forza2looksbad
Depuis 1175 Jours

05/09/2006 à 13:48:34 En réponse à Phaethon360 (04/09/2006 à 22:42:50)

Posté par Phaethon360
Isn't component an analog signal? And if HDCP isn't gonna be used till 2010, won't component play 1080p until its in use?

A cheap HDMI cable solves my pricey PS3 cable solution, now, to solve the dilemma of the pricey PS3!
not HDCP, ICT. that means you won't get even 720p or 1080i via analog. right now you cant get higher than 1080i via analog because of AACS. that goes for hd dvd and blu-ray, homemade movies can go to 1080p, but anything copy protected is limited to 1080i. it's kind of a non-issue because so few tvs support it anyway.
forza2looksbad
Depuis 1175 Jours

05/09/2006 à 16:30:35 En réponse à Acert93 (05/09/2006 à 03:15:27)

Posté par Acert93
Well they both know better on the name calling, so that is that.
obviously thats not that, since jollipop hasn't been banned.
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