Call me weird, but I think a tutorial would hurt this game. You can go into the menu adv. combat menu and see a way to perform more advanced combat maneuvers.

Delgado you are in the UK? Not sure why I always believed you were in the USA. :)

For a sequel, the first thing that needs to happen, and I prefer they don't have a quick turnover from the first, just would like confirmation that it's actually happening, is that they need to really do something that will go quite possibly the longest way to improving the presentation of Too Human in action and the perception of what it is it tries to do.

Major combat animation overhaul. I'm satisfied with Too Human's animations and the game is still fun and you still feel really satisfied as you are destroying enemies, but do us one better, really go to town on making the animations look amazing. There can be no possible way that SK doesn't have the talent to get it done and if they don't they need to acquire the necessary resources, even if they have to pay for it from an outside source. Too Human, even with it's analog controls and all the other stuff that it possesses now, would be received much more positively if the thing looked more cool animation wise. It does make a world of difference. Too Human does have substance, but as sad as it may be, a lot of gamers aren't looking for substance. If anything, if a developer wishes to bless gamers with substance and hope to have enough gamers truly appreciate and explore that substance, then they better rope gamers in with some style and that's what Too Human is really missing. It has hints of a style, but nothing that is strong enough on first impressions to properly define it if that makes any sense.

God of War's style was the trademark blades of chaos with the well planned, executed and devastating QTE finishers. Too Human is missing a style and that's what it will need in a sequel or else it's doomed to be dismissed in all the same ways that the first has already been. I know exactly what is helping to define Too Human and it's what Grim mentioned in his review that he suspects there will be copies of and I honestly suspect the same, but does SK really want to be in a situation where someone takes inspiration from where they were headed with Too Human only to refine it in a way that Too Human didn't and then practically become the official face for what SK tried to achieve with Too Human?

A good example of this is how even though kill switch implemented the cover controls first, Gears of War is ultimately the franchise that came along and really perfected it to the point that Gears is now the official face for that feature. When other games do it, nobody is saying they are getting inspiration from killswitch, people are saying that they are running with what Gears made popular and they would be right. Uncharted, GTA4. Is it fair to say that Mass Effect also took a page out of Gears of War's book with the cover system? Pretty much does SK want Too Human to be known as the game that did it, but didn't really make it big or do they want it to be the game that does it right. Another example of something like this is Resident Evil 4. So many games took influence from that, it didn't matter if it wasn't the first to use that camera angle (not sure if it was, but it might be) but the fact still remains that games that followed are usually stated as taking their influence from Resident Evil 4. I think SK has got something good on their hands here, they just need to go ahead and really perfect it.

Try to make massive improvements to the engine. I know they had a tough development, but I don't believe they've managed to recover as nicely as they would have us believe. I think they would have liked the engine to be better than what the end product currently is. Getting the impression that they might have went light on the story that was laid on so thick. Please deal with that. That is by far the biggest way Too Human can disappoint me.

One of the first things promised was that we wouldn't be left hanging and there would be true conclusion only to be hearing now that we really may be left hanging at the end of all this and from what many are saying it's right when things really get interesting? I'm hoping that before I reach this point, I will have been very satisfied with what I got.

Yeap UK

Game is Marmite

Just as was expected by most. I can see it selling quite well to be honest, a sequel should be a nailed on certainty if it does.

I ordered the Asian version this morning should be here monday, was cheap too :)

£25 http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-dw-49-en-15-to...

This was my whole hang up from the beginning. It's like living through the drama of Fable 1 with Peter Molyneux all over again.

Don't make promises you aren't going to keep.

Like Dyack, people were calling Molyneux a liar, crazy and everything in between. Even now when we get new updates on Fable2 and Molyneux drops a bit of info you still have posts where someone is suggesting that we not believe anything that he says.

Fable wasn't everything that was promised either. It received much better reviews but gamers were also divided over it's gameplaying worth. The only difference is that the Too Human debate is a far more poisonous and it's creator is not (yet) humble enough to admit mistakes were made. Dyack eventually is going to get there but right now he's too defensive and too stressed to admit any mistakes or broken promises.

But just like Fable, Too Human isn't going to fail either. It's going to have a healthy following of players and if the sequel has the expected improvements it needs then even some of the people complaining now may buy a copy and act like nothing happened.

Well I think you need time to reflect on your last project to admit your pitfalls, I'm sure when TH2 is being made Dyack will admit to the games faults, I'm sure he will also still try and pin some of that blame on Epic :P

I think the next TH has a much better chance of being what they set out to do, they can look at whether the control method was a good choice, fine tune the engine they have and spend more time on story telling and making a better game all round.

Plus hopefully if they are using the same engine the development time will much shorter.

The problem is though I think he has alienated a lot of people who were willing to give the game a chance.

Well that and a lot of them weren't going to give it a chance to begin with. Yea Dyack went way too far, but most people regardless of what he did already had their minds made up well before shit hit the fan. I can't really list one other title this generation that has gotten as much negative buzz up until it's release, but then that's because Dyack was stupid enough to attempt to speak to people that weren't really interested in his game so much as they were interested in getting off on his giving them far more attention than they deserved :)

I think the development time is actually going to be a long one and that will be how the negative buzz for the sequel kicks off about how they'll spend another 10 years making the sequel to a terrible game. I can see it already :D

Oh more important, I'm assuming nobody else has their copy yet aside from Grim? I'm torn between what class I'm going to start with first.

I found the berserker pretty badass just like everyone else, but I'm getting the feeling almost everybody will be going with the berserker so I may just go with the Champion like I originally planned.

I couldn't think of anything worse than for Dyack to start blaming Epic for whatever shape Too Human ended up in.

Here is when a person needs a friend or a family member to come in and put you in check. Dyack is the boss so there isn't anyone at SK who could tell him that it's really time for him to close his mouth and let things be.

What Dyack may not realize is that in situations like this, people will give you all the rope you need to hang yourself. As long as he is willing to run his mouth there will be a publication or game site willing to air his grievances.

I agree with you that some time needs to be put between this Too Human and the sequel. Maybe even a different project altogether.

I quite liked Bioengineer, they tend to last longer than the other classes as they can heal and have auto regen.

They don't do so much damage though and aren't as bad ass as ther berserker, I would say play the game through as berserker and then play Co-op as something else.

I think they did mention that there was a different project before Too Human.

You couldn't be anymore correct Grim. Any site will be more than willing to give him the rope he needs to hang himself. 1up didn't have him on their podcast as much because they were actually interested in what he has to say. They were hoping for him to say controversial things that would rack up the page hits and as it relates to them doing their job, they totally called that one.

Even if the whole mix up with Epic did have a mentionable effect on the outcome of the game, which it had to have done or else SK probably wouldn't have sued in the first place, the fact still remains that Denis has become his own worst enemy in a sense so anything that remotely looks like he is attempting to pass all the blame off to epic for the end result of his game, will cause nothing, but serious backlash. Even people that have been on his side throughout all the crap he and his game was getting would agree that he is not manning up and taking responsibility for his own game regardless of the circumstances.

I once felt that Microsoft would've definitely kept backing Denis and SK no matter what at one time, but with all that Denis has been saying and increasing animosity towards the game Microsoft is publishing, I'm sure Microsoft will probably re-evaluate whether they want to work with SK again as a direct result of what a loose cannon Denis has been.

I'm surprised MS didn't tell him to STFU to be honest.

Maybe it has something to do with Microsoft feeling they should just let SK do their own thing from now on after making them showcase Too Human in such a state at E3 2006?

I suppose that could be a possible reason or maybe the situation is that MS probably feels that it's already been a bad investment for them so they'll let Denis and SK ride this thing out however they wish since they won't be green-lighting a second?

Just finished it
awesome game
I love gameplay. I think it is the best hack and slash rpg I ever played. It was very fun!
grafix looks cool, exsept Ice forest level, but it was most fun level imo. music is epic! I love art design of this game. The atmosphere is tremendous. But enyway gameplay is the best. I start playing it yesterday and finished it right now. 14 hours 43 minutes non stop! (29 level Bio/Human) Even Mass Effect and Lost Odyssey cant hold me near tv such long(max 8 hours).

Wow. How's the ending (without giving anything away)?

ending made in Legacy of Kain and Eternal Darkness style - fatalistik epic to be continued ^________^

Edge gave Too Human a 6, which is a pretty good score for them.

Blue Dragon I think got a 6 and Lost Odyssey got a 7?

How do I get to read that review though? :/

Buy the magazine ;)

I'm really amazed that a game of this standard could have a thread that is about to exceed 40 pages, I'm genuinely shocked.Looks like my predictions were right, I knew they wouldnt give it a good mark, what did eurogamer give it?

Based on their usual scale, that's actually good.

Well, as you know, Too Human gets a lot of attention, whether that be good or bad.

My friends that already have the game are pretty much telling me what I had already suspected would be the case. They acknowledge that the game has problems, but then they are also in agreement that for the kind of scores they saw the game get, they weren't expecting a game anywhere quite as impressive as what they got.

Baldur got a raw deal :P

I should be getting my copy between now and Wednesday along with my copy of vesperia.

yep. they gave mass effect 7/10.
I must play co-op and thn I will deside my TH score. Imo ME=10/10

Funny that you mention Mass Effect because I'm having the same kind of experience with Too Human, you see the problems, you acknowledge they exist (though they shouldn't), but the overall experience nullifies them. Kevin Pereira utterly nailed it.

I'm loving it so far, now on the alternate levels as a lvl 33 Cybernetic Bio-Engineer spec'd for 2 handed and I intend to play at least two more classes through as well.

Damn this game is really difficult :S