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NeoNemesis
NeoNemesis
Depuis 1250 Jours

04/07/2008 à 01:41:09

Seems like ATi is ramping up the 4870X2 a lot quicker then people had predicted. People were saying August, some even September, but it is being reported that this card will be available by the end of the month.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20080702PD213.html

Following the recent launch of the ATI Radeon HD 4850 and 4870 GPUs, AMD plans to introduce the high-end dual-GPU HD 4870 X2 by the end of July, according to sources at graphics vendors. Evaluation samples are schedule to be available in mid-July, and AMD will begin shipping reference design boards with 2 GB GDDR5 memory at the end of the month, the sources detailed.

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Acert93
Mr. Bad Cop Depuis 1509 Jours

04/07/2008 à 12:18:51

I really want to see how their CF side ports pan out. I am also hoping someone resolves the memory duplication issue, i.e. 2 chips but not 2x memory pools.

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Jollipop
Jollipop
Depuis 1421 Jours

04/07/2008 à 14:00:06

Just ordered me a 4870 :D

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NeoNemesis
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Depuis 1250 Jours

05/07/2008 à 00:58:58

^

Tell us how it is k?

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GriftGFX
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Depuis 1538 Jours

05/07/2008 à 02:17:58

I'll be building a machine for a friend soon with an E8400, 4 gigs o ram, and a 4870.

Wish it were mine. :)

NeoNemesis
NeoNemesis
Depuis 1250 Jours

05/07/2008 à 02:23:18 En réponse à GriftGFX (05/07/2008 à 02:17:58)

Posté par GriftGFX
I'll be building a machine for a friend soon with an E8400, 4 gigs o ram, and a 4870.

Wish it were mine. :)
How much did it cost? All of it? List please. :D

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05/07/2008 à 02:26:10 En réponse à NeoNemesis (05/07/2008 à 02:23:18)

Posté par NeoNemesis
How much did it cost? All of it? List please. :D
$910 shipped (plus taxes, since he lives in NJ), but he didn't buy a case, or any drives.. we're using some of the stuff from his old PC. All purchased from Newegg, I buy all of my PC components from Newegg now a days.

LEBATO
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Depuis 1660 Jours

05/07/2008 à 02:29:47 En réponse à GriftGFX (05/07/2008 à 02:26:10)

Posté par GriftGFX
$910 shipped (plus taxes, since he lives in NJ), but he didn't buy a case, or any drives.. we're using some of the stuff from his old PC. All purchased from Newegg, I buy all of my PC components from Newegg now a days.
When I saw the price it threw me off because not long ago I was doing the calculations for what I could buy, but the difference is the graphics card which is about 100 more expensive, so it makes sense.

That is a good PC though :D

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Schmooboo
Schmooboo
Depuis 1095 Jours

05/07/2008 à 03:53:05

Hmm that sounds alot like my machine
8400, 2 gig ram, 4870, win xp pro, 32 bit
SOOOO GUYSSS THIS IS IT!!! THE 4870, when i heard of this card i KNEW i wanted it.

I think theres only 1 thing you guys will want to know, in Crysis, i get
36-46 FPS (theres some hicups, rare hicups (like really rare) when it drops to 30)
this on 1650x1050 with ALL settings high, i will try the "trick" to go DX10 later on, but i find graphics are plenty nice ATM.

Its 30-40 with 4xAA, but i dont use AA, i know it will sound dumb, but im happy with graphics without AA. and quite honestly, in some cases i cant tell the bloody difference.

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NeoNemesis
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Depuis 1250 Jours

05/07/2008 à 03:55:32 En réponse à GriftGFX (05/07/2008 à 02:26:10)

Posté par GriftGFX
$910 shipped (plus taxes, since he lives in NJ), but he didn't buy a case, or any drives.. we're using some of the stuff from his old PC. All purchased from Newegg, I buy all of my PC components from Newegg now a days.
Wow, not bad.

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05/07/2008 à 06:42:21 En réponse à Schmooboo (05/07/2008 à 03:53:05)

Posté par Schmooboo
Hmm that sounds alot like my machine
8400, 2 gig ram, 4870, win xp pro, 32 bit
SOOOO GUYSSS THIS IS IT!!! THE 4870, when i heard of this card i KNEW i wanted it.

I think theres only 1 thing you guys will want to know, in Crysis, i get
36-46 FPS (theres some hicups, rare hicups (like really rare) when it drops to 30)
this on 1650x1050 with ALL settings high, i will try the "trick" to go DX10 later on, but i find graphics are plenty nice ATM.

Its 30-40 with 4xAA, but i dont use AA, i know it will sound dumb, but im happy with graphics without AA. and quite honestly, in some cases i cant tell the bloody difference.
30-40fps with 4xAA? But then you say you don't use AA, so you get what framerates?

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05/07/2008 à 06:47:26

Anand's tests should be a good indication of the average framerate he'd get. The only difference was that Anand used "very high" shaders, and everything else on high.

NeoNemesis
NeoNemesis
Depuis 1250 Jours

05/07/2008 à 06:49:35

That reminds me, MS is going to show off shader 5.0 in july/august. Should be interesting.

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Schmooboo
Schmooboo
Depuis 1095 Jours

05/07/2008 à 06:56:54

When i play WITHOUT AA, i get 36-46 FPS, thats all high 1680x1050 resolution.
AA takes some performance away.

So been playing crysis for about 2 hours, id say videocard is quiet, im using the antec 900, all fans on low.


EDIT: GPU is at 76 degrees celcius, fans on low, stock fan on gpu, i think i need to boost my fan power.

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Jollipop
Jollipop
Depuis 1421 Jours

07/07/2008 à 16:47:58

Holy fuck this card is long, I am guna have to do some DIY to my case before I can get the power cable in :S

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Acert93
Mr. Bad Cop Depuis 1509 Jours

07/07/2008 à 17:17:37

Schmooboo, there is a hack or patch to address the fan issue.

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kenshin2418
Junior Detective kenshin2418 - Junior Detective
Depuis 1514 Jours

07/07/2008 à 18:05:34

Mine was like 81c idle before, but now I got it down to 45/46c after upping the fan speeds. This poor man solution will work for now.

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Jollipop
Jollipop
Depuis 1421 Jours

07/07/2008 à 21:32:52

Managed to get it in my case, runs bloody hot like the other guys said, idle its 83c. (thats overclocked at 780 GPU / 1090 memory)

I'm kind of baffled how to get full range RGB on this thing, first thing i noticed is the lack of true blacks with this card, every other card i've had has had some kind of attentuation with black and white levels, (and no the colour settings brightness/contrast don't do the job).

Which means my blacks are guna look like crap, unless I switch my HDMI settings (yet this still won't give me full RGB), but seeing as its shares the same port as my PS3 I don't want to have to keep switching between full and standard RGB.

That aside it runs 3D mark vantage a crap load better, before I was getting under 5 fps (8500GT) and now its between 21-30 fps, just the standard demo version, I don't own crysis to try it although I may download the demo and see what its like in 1080p :D

Besides the black level thing, which i will get to the bottom of >.>, I',m pretty pleased, runs quiet aswell.

The question here is, what is an acceptable temp for the card to be running at, obviously cooler is better, and where do you get the hack to increased idle fan speeds.

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kenshin2418
Junior Detective kenshin2418 - Junior Detective
Depuis 1514 Jours

07/07/2008 à 22:02:29

Just make a profile in catalyst, then go to Windows/User/err Jollipop?/AppData/local/ATI/ACE

after that you should see some XML documents, one of them being your profile that you just recently created. Right click on it and select edit.

scroll down till you see this

<Feature name="FanSpeedAlgorithm_0">
<Property name="FanSpeedAlgorithm" value="Manual" />
</Feature>
<Feature name="FanSpeedRPMTarget_0">
<Property name="Want" value="0" />
</Feature>
<Feature name="FanSpeedPercentTarget_0">
<Property name="Want" value="44" />
Pretty much copy what I have there. It should be set to "auto" by default, so change to "manual." The only thing you can play around with yourself is the value you want your fan speed. I have mine at 44 right now. After that save it, then reload your profile in catalyst. Done and done.

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Jollipop
Jollipop
Depuis 1421 Jours

07/07/2008 à 22:17:08

Well ya see I tried this, and low and behold no AppData file in my user folder. :O

I'm on Vista 64 if that makes any difference, I wouldn't have thought it would, I tried searching whole HDD for ATI folder but can't find that either. :S

Edit: Nevermind I had hidden folders turned off :P

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Schmooboo
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Depuis 1095 Jours

07/07/2008 à 22:43:33

Yeah, the heat issues are a hassle, wouldnt the fan speed up anyway while playing a game?

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Jollipop
Jollipop
Depuis 1421 Jours

07/07/2008 à 23:02:28 En réponse à Schmooboo (07/07/2008 à 22:43:33)

Posté par Schmooboo
Yeah, the heat issues are a hassle, wouldnt the fan speed up anyway while playing a game?
Hmm it didn't kick in for me, although I didn't play a game long enough to tell, at one point it got to 91c and as still at 30rpm though :S

It's much better now the fan speed is at 44rpm played Titan Quest at 1080p for an hour or so and it got to 70c, 44rpm is about equal to my 360 noise levels wise I suppose, so its not that bad :P

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Schmooboo
Schmooboo
Depuis 1095 Jours

08/07/2008 à 03:28:57

Ahh thanks for info.
Also thanks to Kenshin for that lil fan trick, just tried it now, now i might be on the deaf side, im not sure if it really sped up my GPU fan, how can i check how fast the fan is turning?

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Jollipop
Jollipop
Depuis 1421 Jours

08/07/2008 à 04:10:06

Try 100 it will sound like an airplane :)

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Schmooboo
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Depuis 1095 Jours

08/07/2008 à 04:39:48

HAHAHAHA :P

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