Gameplay Tekken 6 campaign and battle mode

Since 7577 Days

Posted by Megido

Urgh, the online mode is really terrible. Even under the best of conditions it runs like a snail. Otherwise the game is great.

That's sooo strange. It's not *perfect* but it's definitely functional in SC4. I have no problem pulling out GI's and just-frames, even.

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Since 6902 Days

Yeah i usually have no big problems with lag in SC4 either.

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NiteX

Since 6448 Days

Tekken is the only fist fighter I could ever get into. SF4 sucked, DOA4 sucked, all those 2d ones sucked. Tekken and Soul Calibur are the only good fighting games. Oh yeah the Capcom Vs games were always great fighters too.

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Since 6902 Days

Virtua Fighter is the best, Tekken is a strong second. Most other fighters are not for me. I enjoyed Guilty Gear up to X2 but i think that was mainly because of the great art and music, i don't think i'd ever really get in to it on teh same level as with VF and Tekken.

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TyphoonS9k

Since 6092 Days

Why do you think SFIV sucked? Sure, it has next to no balance (I fought Ryu hundreds, maybe more than a thousand times in championship mode, hate that guy so much, at least Blanka and Sagat require a certain degree of skill to make good use of their ridiculously powerful attacks...) but that's what we get Super SFIV for.

Is it too traditional for your tastes? Or too hard to get into? Please explain. I think it's fun as hell despite its painfully obvious flaws.

As for DoA 4, I agree completely. What a pathetic attempt at a fighting game... DoA games were never really good, but the fourth one was 100% awful.

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ManThatYouFear

Since 7520 Days

^^ just find it boring and souless

Sure there is probally a good game there somewhere, but i just cant be arsed to find it.

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Since 6600 Days

Posted by TyphoonS9k

As for DoA 4, I agree completely. What a pathetic attempt at a fighting game... DoA games were never really good, but the fourth one was 100% awful.

And that ofcourse has nothing to do with it being a 360 exclusive, you not owning a 360, and you being a ps3 fanboy right?

DOA4 is the best 3D fighting game around..with more depth to it than any fighting game currently out. You should give it a go.

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SimonM7

Since 7600 Days

DOA4 is easily, EASILY the best Dead or Alive game by a large margin. DOA3 is the worst, again by a large margin.

The DOA series on a whole prolly shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Virtua Fighter, Tekkan and Soul Calibur though. If you treat DOA as a separate entity, it's a fun, fluid fighting game with increasingly fun characters to play, but hold it up next to the real fighting elite and it pretty much comes apart at the seams.

That said, there's nothing wrong with a fighter that simply is fun to play.

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I think DoA4 sucks too and i love my 360. I'm not incredibly good at fighters in general but i think i have a generally MUCH deeper understanding of high level play than most idiots you see online. And the ideas and concepts are transferable between games even though the games work differently. DoA has sucky spacing and way too gratifying when mashing out strings. The idea that DoA is so much deeper than any other fighter probably stems in your complete lack of knowledge of how to play the genre. But hey, please do describe why DoA is so much deeper than, for example, Tekken or SFIV. If you start talking about your damn wall dependent moves i, as usual, point you toward the fact that Both Tekken 5 and VF4 (and possibly earlier versions of VF, i don't know) have those. The destructable levels in DoA add absolutely nothing gameplay wise even if it looks flashy, but looking flashy and being deep are two wholly different things.

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lol oh dear. Yes.. its my complete lack of knowledge of how to play the genre.
Dude if you tried to get away with mindless button mashing in DOA4 against somebody even semi-skilled at the game you'd get countered all the time.
And tekken 5, VF4, do in no way use levels to the advantage of attacks like the DOA series has offered.
Also, rather than typing ill-researched statements like "destructable levels in DoA add absolultely nothing gameplay wise"..maybe you should refresh yourself in the game? And then come back and amuse me by tell me how much i lack knowledge of "how the play" the genre.

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Since 7577 Days

Posted by bleachedsmiles

lol oh dear. Yes.. its my complete lack of knowledge of how to play the genre.
Dude if you tried to get away with mindless button mashing in DOA4 against somebody even semi-skilled at the game you'd get countered all the time.
And tekken 5, VF4, do in no way use levels to the advantage of attacks like the DOA series has offered.
Also, rather than typing ill-researched statements like "destructable levels in DoA add absolultely nothing gameplay wise"..maybe you should refresh yourself in the game? And then come back and amuse me by tell me how much i lack knowledge of "how the play" the genre.

Those statements are no more ridiculous than....

Posted by bleachedsmiles

DOA4 is the best 3D fighting game around..with more depth to it than any fighting game currently out. You should give it a go.

I own every DOA game and I consider myself a bit of a fan.. but truthfully, it falls flat on its face compared to the competition. I actually prefer DOA4 over Tekken, pretty much any day of the week.. but I won't try to claim that it's deeper than.. anything. It's also the worst Japanese fighter on the platform.

But hey, at least it's not Mortal Kombat.

Posted by SimonM7

DOA3 is the worst, again by a large margin.

That's silly too. DOA1 is the worst, by a large margin...

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[quote=bleachedsmiles]lol oh dear. Yes.. its my complete lack of knowledge of how to play the genre.
Dude if you tried to get away with mindless button mashing in DOA4 against somebody even semi-skilled at the game you'd get countered all the time.
And tekken 5, VF4, do in no way use levels to the advantage of attacks like the DOA series has offered.
Also, rather than typing ill-researched statements like "destructable levels in DoA add absolultely nothing gameplay wise"..maybe you should refresh yourself in the game? And then come back and amuse me by tell me how much i lack knowledge of "how the play" the genre.[/quote]

Those statements are no more ridiculous than....

[quote=bleachedsmiles]DOA4 is the best 3D fighting game around..with more depth to it than any fighting game currently out. You should give it a go.[/quote]

I own every DOA game and I consider myself a bit of a fan.. but truthfully, it falls flat on its face compared to the competition. I actually prefer DOA4 over Tekken, pretty much any day of the week.. but I won't try to claim that it's deeper than.. anything. It's also the worst Japanese fighter on the platform.

But hey, at least it's not Mortal Kombat.

[quote=SimonM7]DOA3 is the worst, again by a large margin.[/quote]

That's silly too. DOA1 is the worst, by a large margin...

SimonM7

Since 7600 Days

DOA1 isn't bad, it's old.

And great, actually. It's slightly post VF2 Model 2 hardware fighting with a counter system, it was all sorts of ace in its day.

DOA3 on the other hand is a DRAMATIC drop in quality and tightness from DOA2: Hardcore. It's so incredibly dumbed down you really have to wonder where they had Itagaki tied up when the gameplay tweaks were made and frame windows were widened to encompass coffee breaks.

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Nah, it's bad.. but it was going up against Virtua Fighter, so maybe my bias is getting in the way of history.

I don't know. DOA3 introduced Hitomi, so it's automatically better than you're giving it credit for.

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TyphoonS9k

Since 6092 Days

Posted by bleachedsmiles

And that ofcourse has nothing to do with it being a 360 exclusive, you not owning a 360, and you being a ps3 fanboy right?

DOA4 is the best 3D fighting game around..with more depth to it than any fighting game currently out. You should give it a go.

I began hating DoA wayyyyy before hearing the brand "Xbox" for the first time.

How do I qualify as a PS3 fanboy in your eyes? I already told you that I have nothing against its competitor and that I might buy one in the future. Probably you hate the fact that there are people with a PS3 who don't find it necessary to get a 360. That makes you the fanboy in here.

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Posted by bleachedsmiles

lol oh dear. Yes.. its my complete lack of knowledge of how to play the genre.
Dude if you tried to get away with mindless button mashing in DOA4 against somebody even semi-skilled at the game you'd get countered all the time.
And tekken 5, VF4, do in no way use levels to the advantage of attacks like the DOA series has offered.
Also, rather than typing ill-researched statements like "destructable levels in DoA add absolultely nothing gameplay wise"..maybe you should refresh yourself in the game? And then come back and amuse me by tell me how much i lack knowledge of "how the play" the genre.

I would explain why you are wrong but you seem to have your head so far up your own ass that you are more likely to see yesterdays lunch before you see my side of the argument anyway.

But just for fun, i still want to know what makes DoA the deepest fighter as you seem to have some difficulty answering that.

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PlumbDrumb

Since 7570 Days

Posted by Megido

I would explain why you are wrong but you seem to have your head so far up your own ass that you are more likely to see yesterdays lunch before you see my side of the argument anyway.

But just for fun, i still want to know what makes DoA the deepest fighter as you seem to have some difficulty answering that.

good bye.

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ManThatYouFear

Since 7520 Days

DoA was playable i will give it that.. and slightly enjoyable (only played 2 on DC)

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Since 6600 Days

Posted by TyphoonS9k

How do I qualify as a PS3 fanboy in your eyes? I already told you that I have nothing against its competitor and that I might buy one in the future. Probably you hate the fact that there are people with a PS3 who don't find it necessary to get a 360. That makes you the fanboy in here.

probably because you voice such a harsh opinion ("What a pathetic attempt at a fighting game... DoA games were never really good, but the fourth one was 100% awful")on a game thats never been on the console of your choice, you've never owned, and probably never given a chance.

I dont hate the fact that people dont own a 360.. thats foolish, i dont own shares in microsoft believe it or not. But i wont condemn a game as 100% aweful when i've never owned it. And i will voice MY opinion on when i believe a games good, and when i believe ones bad...regardless of the console its on.

DOA4 is great. I say its the deepest fighter i've played (and i've owned pretty much all the ones that have hit this gen) because depth does not equal difficulty. DOA4 has more depth to me than say Virtua fighter 5 because i STILL see new moves produced in DOA4..after 3yrs and countless hours. ANd i see new moves because environments effect moves, placing effects counters, throws ect, ..and it's actually the least button mashing beat'em up i've personaly played..simply because the counter systems so strong and accessable.

And just cause the games more accessable than VF5 doesnt mean it lacks depth.

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[quote=TyphoonS9k] 
How do I qualify as a PS3 fanboy in your eyes? I already told you that I have nothing against its competitor and that I might buy one in the future. Probably you hate the fact that there are people with a PS3 who don't find it necessary to get a 360. That makes you the fanboy in here.[/quote]
probably because you voice such a harsh opinion ("What a pathetic attempt at a fighting game... DoA games were never really good, but the fourth one was 100% awful")on a game thats never been on the console of your choice, you've never owned, and probably never given a chance.

I dont hate the fact that people dont own a 360.. thats foolish, i dont own shares in microsoft believe it or not. But i wont condemn a game as 100% aweful when i've never owned it. And i will voice MY opinion on when i believe a games good, and when i believe ones bad...regardless of the console its on.

DOA4 is great. I say its the deepest fighter i've played (and i've owned pretty much all the ones that have hit this gen) because depth does not equal difficulty. DOA4 has more depth to me than say Virtua fighter 5 because i STILL see new moves produced in DOA4..after 3yrs and countless hours. ANd i see new moves because environments effect moves, placing effects counters, throws ect, ..and it's actually the least button mashing beat'em up i've personaly played..simply because the counter systems so strong and accessable.

And just cause the games more accessable than VF5 doesnt mean it lacks depth.

SimonM7

Since 7600 Days

Posted by bleachedsmiles

And just cause the games more accessable than VF5 doesnt mean it lacks depth.

That's true, and it doesn't *lack depth*. Not even Smash Brothers lacks depth. You have to be realistic here though, and the fact that you're "seeing new moves" isn't indicative of depth either. A game of chess is played using six unique pieces. Unless worked into the strategy on a core level, placing another few pieces on the board wouldn't make it deeper, it would just create more noise.

And noise is pretty much the reason every proper fighting game has abandoned the height/level differences of DOA because it creates an uneven, unpredictable playfield that moves away from skill and calculation, into luck and chance. VF dabbled in it with VF3 and immediately turned around for 4 for this very reason.

I can tell that you're a fairly casual player of fighting games and it's awesome that you enjoy DOA and love it above all other fighting games, that really is enough. You're kinda out of your depth when you start comparing moves "you've seen" in order to prove something here though.

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[quote=bleachedsmiles]And just cause the games more accessable than VF5 doesnt mean it lacks depth.[/quote]

That's true, and it doesn't *lack depth*. Not even Smash Brothers lacks depth. You have to be realistic here though, and the fact that you're "seeing new moves" isn't indicative of depth either. A game of chess is played using six unique pieces. Unless worked into the strategy on a core level, placing another few pieces on the board wouldn't make it deeper, it would just create more noise.

And noise is pretty much the reason every proper fighting game has abandoned the height/level differences of DOA because it creates an uneven, unpredictable playfield that moves away from skill and calculation, into luck and chance. VF dabbled in it with VF3 and immediately turned around for 4 for this very reason.

I can tell that you're a fairly casual player of fighting games and it's awesome that you enjoy DOA and love it above all other fighting games, that really is enough. You're kinda out of [i]your[/i] depth when you start comparing moves "you've seen" in order to prove something here though.

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Since 7577 Days

Good post Simon. I don't agree with your position on some of these games (okay, just Soul Calibur 4), but that's a very well formed point.

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