Scorpio DF thread

Since 6686 Days

Excited!!

Probably not the time for them to do this, but I hope at E3 they announce some games from Sakaguchi to go with scorpio. Sakaguchi games better get announced damn it!

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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

Megido

Since 6119 Days

Yeah let's hope that the man who hasn't made anything useful in 10 years does something awesome for that new hardware that we know nothing about! The hyperspeculative hypetrain is REAL!

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Optimusv2

Since 6686 Days

He didn't do much before Blue Dragon or Lost Odyssey either, and those games are still better than many I've played over the years.

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

GriftGFX

Since 6794 Days

Posted by Megido

Yeah let's hope that the man who hasn't made anything useful in 10 years does something awesome for that new hardware that we know nothing about! The hyperspeculative hypetrain is REAL!

Is there anything to be excited about without inventing things to get excited about?

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rayy

Since 6768 Days

I think we will see Half Life 3 before a Sakaguchi game lol

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asdfg

Since 5628 Days

Posted by Optimusv2

He didn't do much before Blue Dragon or Lost Odyssey either, and those games are still better than many I've played over the years.

First time you post in a long time and instantly mentions Sakaguchi and Blue Dragon. Glad to see you haven't changed.

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Optimusv2

Since 6686 Days

Posted by asdfg

First time you post in a long time and instantly mentions Sakaguchi and Blue Dragon. Glad to see you haven't changed.

Nothing like the classics :D

And, hey, last story for wii was 2012. Sakaguchi hasn't lost his touch at all.

Posted by GriftGFX

Is there anything to be excited about without inventing things to get excited about?

When I think about me and Grift's interactions over the years. This scene comes to mind for some reason. :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqH1PLM3XCQ

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

Phaethon360

Since 6640 Days

If Xbox hadn't cancelled all their exclusives I might have been interested in getting a Scorpio for 4K blu-ray. I'll probably just pick up a One S for cheap this year.

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GriftGFX

Since 6794 Days

Yeah I just wonder what the point is. A powerful Universal Windows Platform device that isn't a PC is just a PC limited to the Windows Store. Does that sound good to anyone? I think think that's one of the reasons UWP is such a hard sell for general audiences. I have my own reasons for hating it, but a less informed consumer still has to have a reason to want it. All of your software can tie into other Windows devices I don't have or want.. yay.

Maybe they'll change some minds. Probably not tomorrow morning.

On the other hand.. some people are pretty hyped apparently. For some reason :D

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Tinks

Since 6723 Days

At this point I'd rather get a Switch and upgrade my PC

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scoobs0688

Since 5428 Days

Holy shit Optimus returns. Nothing brings you back quite like a new Xbox, and the hopes and dreams of Japanese games that will never happen. Long time no see :)

I'm excited if only because I love shiny new hardware more than just about anyone. I'm not even going to consider buying the thing until they show off some new video games that make me want to buy it. If we get Halo 6, Gears 5, and Forza 42, count me out until Phil grows some nuts and takes chances on new IP.

I just wanna see what kind of hardware they could afford to put in this thing without breaking the bank. I'm assuming it'll be <$500, so it'll be fascinating to see what the final specs will be and how well it runs modern games at 4K.

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KORNdog

Since 6198 Days

Posted by scoobs0688

I just wanna see what kind of hardware they could afford to put in this thing without breaking the bank. I'm assuming it'll be <$500, so it'll be fascinating to see what the final specs will be and how well it runs modern games at 4K.

i'm hoping they at least show something off that isn't pushing 4k resolution and is instead pushes poly count, texture res, volumetrics, screen space reflections, lighting and shadow quality etc. i want to see what this thing can do, i don't want to see it wasting it's oomph on a resolution boost, native or not.

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Megido

Since 6119 Days

Posted by KORNdog

i'm hoping they at least show something off that isn't pushing 4k resolution and is instead pushes poly count, texture res, volumetrics, screen space reflections, lighting and shadow quality etc. i want to see what this thing can do, i don't want to see it wasting it's oomph on a resolution boost, native or not.

Wouldn't expect it if they are gonna keep supporting the old xbone. The scorpio is supposed to be the equivalent of the PS4pro, no? With all games being compatible with both systems?

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scoobs0688

Since 5428 Days

Posted by KORNdog

i'm hoping they at least show something off that isn't pushing 4k resolution and is instead pushes poly count, texture res, volumetrics, screen space reflections, lighting and shadow quality etc. i want to see what this thing can do, i don't want to see it wasting it's oomph on a resolution boost, native or not.

Its going to play Xbox One games at 4K, so... what you're looking for is not what this box is going to be.

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KORNdog

Since 6198 Days

Posted by Megido

Wouldn't expect it if they are gonna keep supporting the old xbone. The scorpio is supposed to be the equivalent of the PS4pro, no? With all games being compatible with both systems?

i think you can be that while still upgrading the visuals. especially since it's so much more powerful. i mean, if PC can have graphical sliders that improve the appearance of a game and quality of its effects between low and ultra, i'd assume something standardized and "to the metal" as a console like scorpio could do that and then some.

if all we end up seeing from scoprio amounts to this:

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then i'm not sure how people are even going to pretend to care.

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Megido

Since 6119 Days

People will care because they are console nutters, or they would probably be playing on PC already ;)

You work with 3D graphics though, KORN, i should think you would understand that going over all the models an extra pass to get more geometry detail for that, most likely rather small audience, will be a lot of extra work (and as such not worth the time). I mean, just imagine how much time doing one extra retopo, bake and skinning will take for barely noticeable results. I would at best expect higher res textures and more post processing. Not more polys or more advanced shaders.

And that said, i wouldn't realistically expect the Scorpio, any more than the PS4 pro, to be able to output amazing graphics at 4k anyway.

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scoobs0688

Since 5428 Days

The Xbox fans that have been tortured pretty much all generation with inferior versions of games will finally get their sweet, sweet revenge on those filthy Playstation fanboys. That's who's going to care about this. There's gotta be 15-20 million people who will buy this thing over the course of the next two-three years. Easy.

It remains to be seen what kind of dent they can make in the PS4 juggernaut. I think they'll sell a decent amount and catch up a bit hopefully, but we might have to wait for next-gen to try and dethrone the current console king.

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KORNdog

Since 6198 Days

Posted by Megido

People will care because they are console nutters, or they would probably be playing on PC already ;)

You work with 3D graphics though, KORN, i should think you would understand that going over all the models an extra pass to get more geometry detail for that, most likely rather small audience, will be a lot of extra work (and as such not worth the time). I mean, just imagine how much time doing one extra retopo, bake and skinning will take for barely noticeable results. I would at best expect higher res textures and more post processing. Not more polys or more advanced shaders.

And that said, i wouldn't realistically expect the Scorpio, any more than the PS4 pro, to be able to output amazing graphics at 4k anyway.

people are touting this thing to be the baseline for the following iterations of MS releases. as in, it's designed with future and backwards compatibility in mind from the outset. you'd think they'd aim to show something visible to the naked eye over a resolution boost that, compared with even the faked PSpro checkboarding is nigh on inconceivable. i mean, higher poly models, textures, effects etc do cost more to achieve, but they're selling a console that costs more to buy, and it's WAY easier to see the difference with those things then it is to see a jump from 1800p CBR to native 4k.

all i'm saying is if this is literally just xbone games at 4k, then what are people excited about? it sounds like the pro all over again.

Posted by scoobs0688

The Xbox fans that have been tortured pretty much all generation with inferior versions of games will finally get their sweet, sweet revenge on those filthy Playstation fanboys. That's who's going to care about this. There's gotta be 15-20 million people who will buy this thing over the course of the next two-three years. Easy.

i don't think it has a snowballs chance to sell that much. that's verging on the same sales figures the xbone has sold to date lol. even spencer himself doesn't expect big sales from it. it's aiming for a niche enthusiast market and that market is small. same was true for the pro. it'll sell 10 million if it's lucky because the fact is, 3 years into a console generation, the people still waiting to buy a console aren't the ones looking for power advantages. they just want a good library of games for the cheapest price. that's what launched PS2 sales into the stratosphere. MS know the competition will still very much be between baseline PS4, and baseline xbone. NOT the scorpio or the pro.

it'll sell a couple million to it's existing xbone owners initially...again, like the pro. and a slow trickly of sales as people replace broken systems with the scorpio.

MS need mainstream penetration at this point. not a $500 console that plays the same meager list of games.

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[quote=Megido]People will care because they are console nutters, or they would probably be playing on PC already ;)

You work with 3D graphics though, KORN, i should think you would understand that going over all the models an extra pass to get more geometry detail for that, most likely rather small audience, will be a lot of extra work (and as such not worth the time). I mean, just imagine how much time doing one extra retopo, bake and skinning will take for barely noticeable results. I would at best expect higher res textures and more post processing. Not more polys or more advanced shaders.

And that said, i wouldn't realistically expect the Scorpio, any more than the PS4 pro, to be able to output amazing graphics at 4k anyway.[/quote]

people are touting this thing to be the baseline for the following iterations of MS releases. as in, it's designed with future and backwards compatibility in mind from the outset. you'd think they'd aim to show something visible to the naked eye over a resolution boost that, compared with even the faked PSpro checkboarding is nigh on inconceivable. i mean, higher poly models, textures, effects etc do cost more to achieve, but they're selling a console that costs more to buy, and it's WAY easier to see the difference with those things then it is to see a jump from 1800p CBR to native 4k.

all i'm saying is if this is literally just xbone games at 4k, then what are people excited about? it sounds like the pro all over again.

[quote=scoobs0688]The Xbox fans that have been tortured pretty much all generation with inferior versions of games will finally get their sweet, sweet revenge on those filthy Playstation fanboys.  That's who's going to care about this.  There's gotta be 15-20 million people who will buy this thing over the course of the next two-three years.  Easy.

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i don't think it has a snowballs chance to sell that much. that's verging on the same sales figures the xbone has sold to date lol. even spencer himself doesn't expect big sales from it. it's aiming for a niche enthusiast market and that market is small. same was true for the pro. it'll sell 10 million if it's lucky because the fact is, 3 years into a console generation, the people still waiting to buy a console aren't the ones looking for power advantages. they just want a good library of games for the cheapest price. that's what launched PS2 sales into the stratosphere. MS know the competition will still very much be between baseline PS4, and baseline xbone. NOT the scorpio or the pro.

it'll sell a couple million to it's existing xbone owners initially...again, like the pro. and a slow trickly of sales as people replace broken systems with the scorpio.

MS need mainstream penetration at this point. not a $500 console that plays the same meager list of games.

Megido

Since 6119 Days

That's what i'm saying is probably what's realistic to expect. Xbox Pro.

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scoobs0688

Since 5428 Days

Never underestimate gamers and their passion for buying whatever new shiny box you put in front of them. I think it'll sell very well.

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KORNdog

Since 6198 Days

Posted by scoobs0688

Never underestimate gamers and their passion for buying whatever new shiny box you put in front of them. I think it'll sell very well.

like everyone rushed out to buy a pro? lol

it'll sell "ok" in the grand scheme of things considering what it is. it won't be selling 20 million in 2 years

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scoobs0688

Since 5428 Days

Do we know how well the Pro sold? I'd be mildly shocked if it was doing poorly for them.

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KORNdog

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Posted by scoobs0688

Do we know how well the Pro sold? I'd be mildly shocked if it was doing poorly for them.

last figure i heard was 238,000 PS4 Pros sold in December. at a guess i'd say 2 million as of now? it's not selling well compared to PS4, but it's not doing poorly for sony either. they say it's within their expectations which were obviously realistic, just like MS's are. it's not there to replace the cheap and cheerful baseline console and won't be selling anywhere close to it...ever. it's there for the die hard who really love forza halo and gears of war.

and for comparison, the same month of December the original PS4 sold 1.3 million.

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scoobs0688

Since 5428 Days

It will eventually be their best selling version of the console as the price comes down, thats just how it works. They'll slowly phase out the original. Its going to sell a bunch, I'm tellin ya

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KORNdog

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Posted by scoobs0688

It will eventually be their best selling version of the console as the price comes down, thats just how it works. They'll slowly phase out the original. Its going to sell a bunch, I'm tellin ya

yeah, because the baseline is just going to sit there at £200 while the pro and scorpio drop in price. lol. that new low pricepoint of the pro/scorpio in 2 years time will always be outshined by the new reduced pricepoint of the baseline systems. we're already talking £100 difference between the 2. probably even bigger between the scorpio on account of it being newer/better. that difference will always be there no matter how much time passes.

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