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2007-10-06 12:09:47 by Manager

The great Ben Ward, Community & Web Lead over at Bizarre Creations, has taken time to answer a big bunch of questions about Project Gotham Racing 4. Thanks to the XCN, we can find out more about their thoughts about PGR3, team online racing, DLC and much much more.
 
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DLC Tourist gameplay		 > 3 Months 640x360 37 MB
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DLC Faux gameplay		 > 3 Months 640x360 41 MB
DLC Tourist gameplay		 > 3 Months 640x360 29 MB
DLC Faux gameplay		 > 3 Months 640x360 35 MB
Geometry Wars Waves		 > 3 Months 640x360 80 MB
Geometry Wars Waves		 > 3 Months 1280x720 260 MB
Superstar Challenge London		 > 3 Months 640x360 85 MB
Superstar Challenge London		 > 3 Months 1280x720 283 MB
Speed Challenge Las Vegas		 > 3 Months 640x360 24 MB
Speed Challenge Las Vegas		 > 3 Months 1280x720 74 MB
Electric Car		 > 3 Months 640x360 69 MB
Electric Car		 > 3 Months 1280x720 219 MB
Cone Gate London		 > 3 Months 640x360 117 MB
Cone Gate London		 > 3 Months 1280x720 371 MB
Time Vs Kudos St Petersburg		 > 3 Months 640x360 81 MB
Time Vs Kudos St Petersburg		 > 3 Months 1280x720 256 MB
Time Vs Kudos Quebec		 > 3 Months 640x360 142 MB
Time Vs Kudos Quebec		 > 3 Months 1280x720 488 MB
The first 10 minutes: PGR4		 > 3 Months 640x360 251 MB
The first 10 minutes: PGR4		 > 3 Months 1280x720 759 MB
Geometry Wars Waves		 > 3 Months 1280x720 201 MB
Cone Gate London		 > 3 Months 1280x720 343 MB
Electric Car		 > 3 Months 1280x720 205 MB
The first 10 minutes: PGR4		 > 3 Months 1280x720 721 MB
Speed Challenge Las Vegas		 > 3 Months 1280x720 69 MB
Superstar Challenge London		 > 3 Months 1280x720 269 MB
Time Vs Kudos Quebec		 > 3 Months 1280x720 466 MB
Time Vs Kudos St Petersburg		 > 3 Months 1280x720 241 MB
Live Action vs Game		 > 3 Months 640x360 6 MB
Live Action vs Game		 > 3 Months 1280x720 15 MB
Live Action vs Game		 > 3 Months 1280x720 13 MB
Presentation: End of championship		 > 3 Months 640x360 85 MB
Presentation: End of championship		 > 3 Months 960x540 154 MB
Presentation: End of championship		 > 3 Months 960x540 191 MB
Snowy Quebec presentation		 > 3 Months 640x360 94 MB
Snowy Quebec presentation		 > 3 Months 640x360 94 MB
Snowy Quebec presentation		 > 3 Months 960x540 174 MB
Snowy Quebec presentation		 > 3 Months 960x540 174 MB
Snowy Quebec presentation		 > 3 Months 960x540 204 MB
Snowy Quebec presentation		 > 3 Months 960x540 204 MB
Gamersyde No Comment: Audio Design		 > 3 Months 640x360 120 MB
Gamersyde No Comment: Audio Design		 > 3 Months 640x360 120 MB
Gamersyde No Comment: Audio Design		 > 3 Months 640x360 120 MB
Nürburgring under the snow, off screen		 > 3 Months 640x360 36 MB
Nürburgring under the snow, off screen		 > 3 Months 640x360 36 MB
Nürburgring under the snow, off screen		 > 3 Months 960x540 69 MB
Nürburgring under the snow, off screen		 > 3 Months 960x540 69 MB
Nürburgring under the snow, off screen		 > 3 Months 960x540 84 MB
Nürburgring under the snow, off screen		 > 3 Months 960x540 84 MB
Gamersyde No Comment: Cities		 > 3 Months 640x360 275 MB
Gamersyde No Comment: Cities		 > 3 Months 640x360 275 MB
Gamersyde No Comment: Cities		 > 3 Months 1280x720 630 MB
Gamersyde No Comment: Cities		 > 3 Months 1280x720 630 MB
Gamersyde No Comment: Cities		 > 3 Months 1280x720 770 MB
Gamersyde No Comment: Cities		 > 3 Months 1280x720 770 MB
Gamersyde No Comment: Audio Design		 > 3 Months 640x360 106 MB
Gamersyde No Comment: Audio Design		 > 3 Months 640x360 106 MB
Gamersyde No Comment: Audio Design		 > 3 Months 640x360 158 MB
Gamersyde No Comment: Audio Design		 > 3 Months 640x360 158 MB
Cone Attack, Las Vegas		 > 3 Months 640x360 35 MB
Cone Attack, Las Vegas		 > 3 Months 640x360 35 MB
Cone Attack, Las Vegas		 > 3 Months 1280x720 117 MB
Cone Attack, Las Vegas		 > 3 Months 1280x720 117 MB
Cone Attack, Las Vegas		 > 3 Months 1280x720 132 MB
Cone Attack, Las Vegas		 > 3 Months 1280x720 132 MB
Shangai by night, motorbike		 > 3 Months 640x360 77 MB
Shangai by night, motorbike		 > 3 Months 640x360 77 MB
Shangai by night, motorbike		 > 3 Months 1280x720 237 MB
Shangai by night, motorbike		 > 3 Months 1280x720 237 MB
Shangai by night, motorbike		 > 3 Months 1280x720 296 MB
Shangai by night, motorbike		 > 3 Months 1280x720 296 MB
Saint Petersburg in the fog on a bike		 > 3 Months 640x360 49 MB
Saint Petersburg in the fog on a bike		 > 3 Months 640x360 49 MB
Saint Petersburg in the fog on a bike		 > 3 Months 1280x720 154 MB
Saint Petersburg in the fog on a bike		 > 3 Months 1280x720 154 MB
Saint Petersburg in the fog on a bike		 > 3 Months 1280x720 230 MB
Saint Petersburg in the fog on a bike		 > 3 Months 1280x720 230 MB
Direct feed intro		 > 3 Months 640x360 52 MB
Direct feed intro		 > 3 Months 640x360 52 MB
Direct feed intro		 > 3 Months 1280x720 130 MB
Direct feed intro		 > 3 Months 1280x720 130 MB
Direct feed intro		 > 3 Months 1280x720 145 MB
Direct feed intro		 > 3 Months 1280x720 145 MB
Snowy Quebec		 > 3 Months 640x360 33 MB
Snowy Quebec		 > 3 Months 640x360 33 MB
Snowy Quebec		 > 3 Months 640x360 33 MB
Snowy Quebec		 > 3 Months 1280x720 110 MB
Snowy Quebec		 > 3 Months 1280x720 110 MB
Snowy Quebec		 > 3 Months 1280x720 110 MB
Snowy Quebec		 > 3 Months 1280x720 87 MB
Snowy Quebec		 > 3 Months 1280x720 87 MB
Snowy Quebec		 > 3 Months 1280x720 87 MB
GC07: Intro		 > 3 Months 640x360 56 MB
GC07: Intro		 > 3 Months 960x540 104 MB
GC07: Intro		 > 3 Months 960x540 119 MB
E3: Offscreen gameplay		 > 3 Months 960x540 69 MB
E3: MSFT PGR4 gameplay		 > 3 Months 960x540 74 MB
E3: MSFT PGR4 gameplay		 > 3 Months 960x540 74 MB
E3: Marketplace trailer		 > 3 Months 1280x720 85 MB
E3: Marketplace trailer		 > 3 Months 1280x720 85 MB
E3: Games montage		 > 3 Months 320x240 19 MB
St Peters Rain		 > 3 Months 1280x720 46 MB
X06: Teaser		 > 3 Months 640x360 8 MB
 
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DLC images		 > 3 Months 8
DLC images		 > 3 Months 11
4 DLC images		 > 3 Months 4
16 images		 > 3 Months 16
16 images		 > 3 Months 16
1 image		 > 3 Months 1
2 photo mode images		 > 3 Months 2
11 photo mode images		 > 3 Months 11
Arcade mode + 2 photo mode images		 > 3 Months 4
Un image		 > 3 Months 1
Interface + Photo mode image		 > 3 Months 4
Images		 > 3 Months 9
Game Convention images		 > 3 Months 6
All environments		 > 3 Months 1
E3 images		 > 3 Months 13
Bike (video?) captures		 > 3 Months 5
Bike images		 > 3 Months 12
The weather system		 > 3 Months 30
A mysterious city		 > 3 Months 1
Quebec City		 > 3 Months 10
4 images		 > 3 Months 4
3 images		 > 3 Months 3
First 12 official screenshots		 > 3 Months 12
 
News		 Since
PGR4 content pack released		 > 3 Months
PGR4 DLC Pack announced		 > 3 Months
Bizarre Creations interview		 > 3 Months
The first 10 minutes: PGR4		 > 3 Months
PGR4: Live Action vs Game		 > 3 Months
PGR4: Even more video		 > 3 Months
PGR4: Snowy gameplay		 > 3 Months
No Comment: PGR4 cities		 > 3 Months
Gamersyde No Comment: PGR4 audio design		 > 3 Months
More PGR4 gameplay		 > 3 Months
Direct Feed PGR4 intro video		 > 3 Months
Direct feed PGR4 gameplay		 > 3 Months
PGR 4 goes Gold !		 > 3 Months
One PGR4 image		 > 3 Months
2 PGR4 images		 > 3 Months
PGR4, back already		 > 3 Months
One PGR4 image		 > 3 Months
PGR4's interface detailed		 > 3 Months
PGR4 images		 > 3 Months
GC07: PGR4 Intro video		 > 3 Months
PGR4: Gameplay and features		 > 3 Months
GC07: PGR4 images		 > 3 Months
PGR4 screenshots montage		 > 3 Months
E3: PGR4 gameplay video		 > 3 Months
E3: Xbox 360 games montage		 > 3 Months
E3: Demo and trailer of PGR4		 > 3 Months
The bikes in Project Gotham Racing 4		 > 3 Months
One PGR4 screen, and a lot more!		 > 3 Months
Quebec City in PGR4?		 > 3 Months
4 Project Gotham Racing 4 images		 > 3 Months
Project Gotham Racing 4 images		 > 3 Months
Images and video of PGR4		 > 3 Months
X06: PGR4 teaser		 > 3 Months
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GriftGFX

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Since 1178 Days

2007-05-11 00:28:41 In reply to Jollipop (2007-05-11 00:16:11)

Posted by Jollipop
Grift come on, it wasn't said like that.

But LEBATO for one always points out graphical flaws, in almost every game he comments about, now im not saying this is a bad thing, maybe he looks for graphics over gameplay.

His whole argument about Forza 2 has been about graphics, but end of the day graphics don't really impact gameplay much.

Forza 2 looks to be a better game (or at least more my type of game) as far as driving games go, no amount of graphical flare will change that.

Sure PGR4 will look better than Forza 2 but unless it changes other things like AI and steering/Physics it will be just the same game with a new set of paint.
He has also wrote about how much he loves the demo.. but everyone seems to ignore that. Go figure.

And I actually wonder how many of the people preaching Forza 2's physics model as the second coming are really the people who will even get the most mileage out of it.. the pure sim mode gameplay isn't even really meant for the entire F2 audience. The most appealing aspect of the game for many people will come down to customization and tuning.. and not the advanced handling.
Do you want me to come up with bad things to say just so you can actually believe I care about the gameplay/game?
No of course not.. without playing it you're only allowed to say that it's the best racing game ever. :P
SimonM7

SimonM7
Since 1202 Days

2007-05-11 00:30:54 In reply to Jollipop (2007-05-11 00:16:11)

Posted by Jollipop
Sure PGR4 will look better than Forza 2 but unless it changes other things like AI and steering/Physics it will be just the same game with a new set of paint.
With all due respect, Jolli, you're commenting on things way out of your element here. You're a self confessed meh!-man in regards to racers and suddenly you know what PGR is made of?

PGR happens to be a brilliant series of games, and each has improved considerably on the last game, gameplay included.

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LEBATO

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Since 1300 Days

2007-05-11 00:31:55 In reply to GriftGFX (2007-05-11 00:28:41)

Posted by GriftGFX
He has also wrote about how much he loves the demo.. but everyone seems to ignore that. Go figure.

And I actually wonder how many of the people preaching Forza 2's physics model as the second coming are really the people who will even get the most mileage out of it.. the pure sim mode gameplay isn't even really meant for the entire F2 audience. The most appealing aspect of the game for many people will come down to customization and tuning.. and not the advanced handling.
That's a very good point actually. I wouldn't be surprised if those praising the physics are the ones driving with all the assists on, lol, like that is going to show them off that well.

GriftGFX

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2007-05-11 02:20:36

I agree to a degree that great graphics do help with the immersion factor, and its a foregone conclusion that Forza 2's graphics didn't meet expectations and the entire time the dev was leading us to believe they'd achieve much better, but I don't like double standards.
I don't like double standards either. How about this double standard: We give one game the benefit of the doubt (specifically in regards to its visuals) while others don't get a pass? You've gone ahead and said that PGR4 would probably disappoint -- yet games that have let people down a little (like Forza 2, or Halo 3) with their visuals you've said time and time again would blow us all away.. what? Or maybe I just misinterpreted that statement.. I guess you were saying that we'd be disappointed by PGR4's visuals.. because nothing pleases us, right?

As for Gotham. I think you're mostly full of it. The game is praised by many, many people.. so keep on telling me what you think someone said about the game. I'm positive there are people out there that won't care much for Forza 2 -- but hype the living shit out of it anyway. Lets just ignore the fact that the game is globally celebrated as one of (one of? the) best looking racing games out there today (two years later).. and easily the most impressive launch title.

And the assists weren't designed to be "just for noobs." They said from the beginning that the target audience for the pure sim mode is about 15% of the overall audience for their game.. that's how many people they want playing in simulation mode.. because if it's that punishing.. they're doing it right.

And there's plenty of appeal to Forza 2 outside of advanced physics/handling. Tuning and customization is a huge part of this game.

I honestly don't get what the big deal is anyway. So PGR looks a hair better in some ways than Forza 2.. why is everyone getting so defensive? It's not like by saying that we're invalidating any of the things that Forza 2 does better.. it's just an observation.. it's just a game.

PGR4 looks incredible already.. that's not a bad thing. Oh.. and opinions can change. That doesn't make you a hypocrite it just means you're keeping an open mind.
kenshin2418

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Since 1154 Days

2007-05-11 02:46:50 In reply to GriftGFX (2007-05-11 02:20:36)

Posted by GriftGFX
I honestly don't get what the big deal is anyway. So PGR looks a hair better in some ways than Forza 2.. why is everyone getting so defensive? It's not like by saying that we're invalidating any of the things that Forza 2 does better.. it's just an observation.. it's just a game.
Well, it's hard to think like that when you're a drama queen.


anyway, it's only been 2 pages and already this thread has turned to Fud. Time to bail out..

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Bingham67

Since 796 Days

2007-05-11 03:25:21

Its looks superb to me the rain on the car is quite something best rain effect in car game period especially the rain on car bonnet. ?

What got to remember though that this looks like a replay mode which in turn quite possibly has added effects. Its must buy for me PGR3 was superb this cant be any worse surely. ?

Schmooboo

Schmooboo
Since 735 Days

2007-05-11 04:19:12

Well, 2 good titles, theyre not in the same category, so no more pointless comparing, its apples and oranges if you really sit down to think about it.

Liked PGR, loving forza, yet being glad for both.

On this topic, nice video.

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LEBATO

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Since 1300 Days

2007-05-11 04:58:28 In reply to Schmooboo (2007-05-11 04:19:12)

Posted by Schmooboo
Well, 2 good titles, theyre not in the same category, so no more pointless comparing, its apples and oranges if you really sit down to think about it.

Liked PGR, loving forza, yet being glad for both.

On this topic, nice video.
I think apples look better.......they have a much better texture to them :D
Optimusv2

Optimusv2
Since 1070 Days

2007-05-11 07:44:56

Not gonna lie the building architecture and cars look amazing and it isn't even the architecture its the way everything in the environment is lit and what appears to be a slight blur on that building?

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Scarface

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Since 1165 Days

2007-05-11 09:45:24

This might have been posted (haven't been bothered to read through all that crap^^^^)

http://spong.com/article/12525/Exclusive_Gotham_4_...

PGR4 to feature bikes apparently

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Bingham67

Since 796 Days

2007-05-11 12:30:04

Its true i have known for a long time i even hinted ages back in a thread cant reveal my source but this confirms he hasnt been talking aload of crap to me.

Cant wait i just hope they nail physics of them correctly. :)

There also some other news brewing that might dissapoint you guys no doubt we will be hearing it in next few months.

CARB

CARB
Since 732 Days

2007-05-11 12:56:44 In reply to SimonM7 (2007-05-11 00:30:54)

Posted by SimonM7
PGR happens to be a brilliant series of games, and each has improved considerably on the last game, gameplay included.
ORLY? thats why pgr2 is better than pgr3 in every way except GFX?

that video, nice video....but the rain was horrid (nice water texture on cars) , but cant realy tell much when the majority was of the cars speeding past the camer
it was obviously a replay vid (not actual in game) and when tha cars were paused, i saw tha same amount of jaggies as there are in F2 when paused in replay mode

PGR4 needs to step up its handeling and AI as they were shit in PGR3
Jollipop

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Since 1061 Days

2007-05-11 15:30:43 In reply to SimonM7 (2007-05-11 00:30:54)

Posted by SimonM7
With all due respect, Jolli, you're commenting on things way out of your element here. You're a self confessed meh!-man in regards to racers and suddenly you know what PGR is made of?

PGR happens to be a brilliant series of games, and each has improved considerably on the last game, gameplay included.
Since when have i been a meh!-man regarding racers, just because i didn't like PGR3 doesn't mean i dislike the rest of the racers out there.

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LEBATO

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Since 1300 Days

2007-05-11 22:43:43

That's kind of scary, bikes in a PGR, bikes competing against cars..........hmn, they better get that handling and movement of the bikes correct, but balancing must be a huge tast, so they better work it out nicely.
GriftGFX

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2007-05-11 22:46:29

I missed that little bit of information.. but it's from Spong and they're famous for how full of shit they are. Has anyone else confirmed that there are bikes in PGR4? That changes everything.. sorta hope it's misinformation.
LEBATO

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Since 1300 Days

2007-05-11 22:58:01 In reply to GriftGFX (2007-05-11 22:46:29)

Posted by GriftGFX
I missed that little bit of information.. but it's from Spong and they're famous for how full of shit they are. Has anyone else confirmed that there are bikes in PGR4? That changes everything.. sorta hope it's misinformation.
Well, they said (in one of the first magazine previews), ~"a new kind of vehicle we wouldn't expect to see in PGR3"........so there may be some truth to it.
GriftGFX

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2007-05-11 22:58:49 In reply to LEBATO (2007-05-11 22:58:01)

Posted by LEBATO
Well, they said (in one of the first magazine previews), ~"a new kind of vehicle we wouldn't expect to see in PGR3"........so there may be some truth to it.
Eek.. I trust Bizzare. I hope they know what they're doing.
Isomac

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Since 946 Days

2007-05-11 23:04:52

Time to start PGR VS MotoGP comparisons :P

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GriftGFX

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2007-05-12 00:55:56 In reply to Isomac (2007-05-11 23:04:52)

Posted by Isomac
Time to start PGR VS MotoGP comparisons :P
A little OT (well I guess not, if they really add bikes!) but.. MotoGP is a beautiful game. The first one (well, first 360 one) was really great looking and they almost and a great framerate. I hope they iron out the screen tearing and I'm sold.
SimonM7

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Since 1202 Days

2007-05-12 01:11:20

Well the 360 version can't really top getting the demo with the Live kit for the original Xbox. Thrill of proper online console gaming (with voice chat!) and like.. EVERYONE played it so it was always full of people. It's always going to be synonymous with online fun during some of the most exciting Xbox 1 times for me. :)

As for bikes in car games, weren't there bikes in TDU?

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GriftGFX

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2007-05-12 01:13:44

TDU is a different kind of racing game all together though.. what works there might not translate well into Project Gotham. Which is already (obvioulsy) a much better game to begin with.
SimonM7

SimonM7
Since 1202 Days

2007-05-12 01:16:33

Well I imagine if they could compete at all in TDU then with the added focus of Bizarre's game it could only be better than that. The only real problem I can think of is if they're not balanced well compared to the cars in the game.

There were bikes in Midnight Club 2 too now that I think about it.. Can't really remember what they were like, but there was actually a fair few that used them online.

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GriftGFX

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2007-05-12 01:20:26

Well.. in TDU I generally avoid bikes (I don't race any in the game either).. because their acceleration and handling makes them pretty ridiculous.. I wouldn't call it evenly balanced. But that's a different sort of setting too. I've yet to see a mixed event in single player mode.. though I haven't played it much to be honest.
LEBATO

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Since 1300 Days

2007-05-12 01:26:03

Physics in TDU are mediocre, not even at PGR3's level. TDU's bikes' physics are impossible to describe in just one word, mediocre falls way too short of how bad they are.
Acert93

Mr. Bad Cop Since 1149 Days

2007-05-12 02:50:44 In reply to CARB (2007-05-11 12:56:44)

Posted by CARB
that video, nice video....but the rain was horrid (nice water texture on cars)
That is a rain shader. It animates (GPU based physics) and the droplets individually are illuminated.
Posted by Jin187
At the moment It doesnt look as good as PGR3 overall but has some insanely good looking car rain and @720p will be a real beauty when its out, will most definately be the best looking racer. I just hope they fix the car handling cuz it really needs lots of work.
Uhhh it is a PGR3 course with the same core assets, higher resolution textures, a lot better AF, and better car models @ a higher resolution. How in the hell doesn't it look as good as PGR3?

My main beef is artistic: I think BC made a poor decision on the time of day for PR footage. Dusk/Dawn and/or overcast are the most difficult things to simulate. You are left relying heavily on ambient lighting which, due to basically nill indirect illumination in current rasterization it can totally throw off the graphics. Name a game, any game, that has footage outside of the sunlight or dark with spot lights and I can show you how crappy the lighting model is, all essentially going back to the fact that there is a static ambient light setting instead of radiosity.

That said I was pretty floored with what they were able to do with the poor lighting conditions. The paint shader on the cars rocks, better than GT HD (and 8 cars!), the reflections are SPOT on with EXCELLENT HDR in the reflections. The car models were great, rain was everything from acceptible (rain drops, road mist) to awesome (rain shader on cars). The glass shaders are spot on, and the geometry is oustanding. The textures on the world are also very nice, as are the roads. A couple times I was saying, "Ok, this is a photomode shot" and then a car zoomed by. DOF and MB are all well done, as are the HDR effects (the iris effect, tone mapping, and bloom) -- excellent job of NOT over doing them, but balancing them out.

Basically PGR4 just showed how to include cutting edge technology while not castrating your art design. At at 720p, very nice MSAA, HDR, etc. Besides the time of day / weather conditions (minus for the low contrasty lighting, plus on the rain), the only glaring negative I saw was the fact the people look poorly. Not as bad as other racers mind you, and you won't see them up close in game so they work, but up close meh.

Overall BC just showed us some of the most difficult stuff to pull off -- overcast lighting and rain -- and hit a homerun. Never mind they all appear to actually be using AF (gasp!) and the textures actually LOOK like the system has 512MB of memory, unlike many MANY other games out there. The fact I am not getting my eyes gouged out by aliasing from the cars (e.g. vents on the blue car) is a nice change of pace from the "crisp HD" other games are bragging about.
Posted by CARB
i saw tha same amount of jaggies as there are in F2 when paused in replay mode
No, no, and no.

While we will have to wait to see what actual confirmed gameplay looks like, we do know that they CANNOT be pulling a Forza Motorsport 2 in replay mode because FM2 drops the framerate in half whereas the PGR4 footage shown is obviously 30fps. There is no reason they could apply significantly more in a replay at 30fps that they couldn't do in gameplay 30fps.

Further, Forza 2 is chalk full of edge aliasing, texture aliasing, shader aliasing, aliasing from render targets (especially their HDR effects), and even in their reflections.

Sorry, the footage we just saw from PGR4 has SIGNIFICANTLY less aliasing.

I do love the trend though of "FM2 best looking racer ever" and then comments like "PGR3 looks better than PGR4". At least all the inaccurate technical comments pretty sum up the agendas!

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