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Since 1125 Days
2007-08-18 02:19:34
Well they better make a Halo4! They better make it with smooth animations, bump-mapping, 4xAA, etc. At this point I really wouldnt mind if they delayed Halo3 if they needed to revamp the engine. They may be finished content wise but engine wise I think they need more time.
Edit because of heretic's response: Why can't they have good graphics and gameplay! Let people be disappointed if they want to because it doesnt live up to their expectations! Why is it bad to suggest the game might need improvements in certain areas! And if you dont like the responses then TOUGH SHIT! Yeah I said it, TOUGH SHIT!
Hot stuff!
Since 1047 Days
2007-08-18 02:38:32
Hey everyone's entitled to their opinions, we're critiquing a game here. No games perfect, not even Bioshock!
I barely noticed a jaggy whilst playing during the Beta and I think it's fair to say the SP looks better than that so I don't think it's an issue, particulary given the scale of combat on offer.
That said, it's not the end of the world is a few people want it all. It's good to be demanding!
IS WRONG
Since 1301 Days
2007-08-18 02:50:45 In reply to deftangel (2007-08-18 02:38:32)
if you don't like it then don't fucking buy it.
if you want graphics over game play then go play killzone 2
you know what you're getting with Halo. don't like it? tough shit!
Since 1108 Days
2007-08-18 02:55:04 In reply to Optimusv2 (2007-08-17 10:36:58)
SP looks really awesome.
edit: unless that's co-op?
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siesSince 1025 Days
2007-08-18 03:02:33 In reply to Myro (2007-08-18 02:55:04)
That's gotta be co-op. There'd be a score somewhere on the screen if it were MP.
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Mr. Bad Cop Since 1150 Days
2007-08-18 03:14:39 In reply to Phaethon360 (2007-08-18 02:10:30)
Bungie hasn't talked about MSAA; but MS sure has. They actually originally promised all games would have a minimum 2xMSAA (later changed in dev documents to "some form of anti-aliasing") but strongly suggested 4xMSAA. I know a developer who was told without MSAA they wouldn't get certified.
It would be utter bullocks if MS's biggest franchise shipping with crap aliasing, especially considering the attitude and grief MS gave to some 3rd parties over the issue and the impact it had on gameplay. Seeing a number of new games with 4xMSAA, and how developers worked their butts off to writer renderers to work well with tiling, only raises the bar.
After the E3 2006 trailer and the E3 2007 SP shots with a ton of AA, I don't expect anything less than 4xMSAA.
Does anyone, based on the realtime SP media & MS MSAA marketing, expect anything less?
http://www.bungie.net/images/games/halo3/screensho...
http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/Halo3/Screensho...
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The fans have spoken. Concerning the graphics of the Halo 3 Beta: "There's so many little effects and things going on that make this game pretty much 2nd only to Gears at the moment."
Since 538 Days
2007-08-18 03:17:07
I just listened to the newest Bungie podcast and the lead AI programmer was talking about animation and how the technology behind it really hasn't changed in years, especially with regards to the AI controlling the transitions in the animation. That right there to me is an indication that the animation in this game is not going to be very good. I think maybe they should take a look at what Ninja Theory is doing with Heavenly Sword. And I think systems like Natural Motion seem to be advancing animation significantly and even Madden is doing a much better job this year using branching and physics.
A little bit of a let down for me but it is still by far my most anticipated game. :)
Mr. Bad Cop Since 1150 Days
2007-08-18 03:24:22 In reply to arcaNe (2007-08-18 03:17:07)
The Brutes standing there like rigid action figures cannot be explained by this excuse either.
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The fans have spoken. Concerning the graphics of the Halo 3 Beta: "There's so many little effects and things going on that make this game pretty much 2nd only to Gears at the moment."
Still drinking
Since 1173 Days
2007-08-18 03:53:10
Please don't tell people they "are blind" "need glasses" "need to get their eyes checked", etc.. or I'll ban your ass.
I'm sick of that shit a long time ago.
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siesSince 1025 Days
2007-08-18 03:56:37 In reply to XAL (2007-08-18 03:44:09)
You should have read my comment a little more in depth. I was comparing the E3 2006 vid of Halo 3 to the E3 2007 screen shots.
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Since 1072 Days
2007-08-18 04:01:45 In reply to arcaNe (2007-08-18 03:17:07)
A little bit of a let down for me but it is still by far my most anticipated game. :)
Ultimately I think what we are seeing is exactly what Randy Pitchford from Gearbox said earlier on actually happening.
It doesn't matter how much money these developers are putting into titles they wont come anywhere close to optimal on the first go. The awesome jump from cod2 to cod4 supports this as well as a number of other cases. Personally I like how halo 3 looks, perhaps the next game they make will be the whizz bang graphical showcase people wanted. Personally listening to the ai programmer talk and reading some of the impressions I have on the ai. I'm more than satisfied with Halo 3 is doing.
Acert how is this a bullshot?
Its straight gameplay according to bungie.
http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/Halo3/Screensho... Sure they likely touched up the AA, but I believe thats ingame.
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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)
October 20th 2007 (A good day)
Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.
pssh! more like electronic gay-ming monthly! amirite
Mr Pant
siesSince 1025 Days
2007-08-18 04:07:56 In reply to Optimusv2 (2007-08-18 04:01:45)
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Since 1072 Days
2007-08-18 04:10:28
When you think about it like that I suppose its more easier to stomach, but like sometimes it looks REALLY ridiculous like when they aren't attacking they aren't doing much of anything.
Ultimately I guess that game shouldn't have been brought into the discussion since there is no point really comparing heavenly's ai to halo's or vice versa games are way too different. I don't like heavenly Swords ai though I hope it was just due to whatever level the game was set at.
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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)
October 20th 2007 (A good day)
Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.
pssh! more like electronic gay-ming monthly! amirite
Since 1164 Days
2007-08-18 04:23:49 In reply to Optimusv2 (2007-08-18 04:01:45)
http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/Halo3/Screensho... Sure they likely touched up the AA, but I believe thats ingame.
He can also
ban your ass!
Since 1179 Days
2007-08-18 05:18:40
If Halo 3 is the last traditional Halo game--I think they should consider making "Halo: Arena" next. All MP, screw the haters!
And are people really arguing about anti-aliasing, or even the visuals in general? If people expected the bestest looking "this-gen" game ever, then maybe your expectations weren't based in reality. It looks solid, for what it is. I'd worry more about stuff like BXR than I would the graphics engine at this point.
It is what it is.
Since 1072 Days
2007-08-18 05:22:47
They said in the podcast that bxr was fixed.
This probably wont be popular, but I think an all mp game would kill halo in the shadowrun sense.
They need to keep their story driven halo games going or atleast branch out in a new area.
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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)
October 20th 2007 (A good day)
Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.
pssh! more like electronic gay-ming monthly! amirite
He can also
ban your ass!
Since 1179 Days
2007-08-18 05:25:12 In reply to Optimusv2 (2007-08-18 05:22:47)
Mr. Bad Cop Since 1150 Days
2007-08-18 05:29:43 In reply to Optimusv2 (2007-08-18 05:22:47)
And I agree with Grift, a MP themed Halo spin off would be great. A RTS-FPS hybrid would be perfect IMO, with a lot of variant game dynamics. Basically an all in one MP experience.
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The fans have spoken. Concerning the graphics of the Halo 3 Beta: "There's so many little effects and things going on that make this game pretty much 2nd only to Gears at the moment."
Since 538 Days
2007-08-18 05:31:15 In reply to Optimusv2 (2007-08-18 04:01:45)
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Obviously Halo's AI is much better than Heavenly Swords, but not when it comes to controlling animation. The enemies movements based upon what the player is doing is much more fluid and realistic. It doesn't have the jerkiness that Halo seems to have. All I'm trying to say is that the programmer was trying to make an excuss as to why Halo's animation doesn't behave as well as they would like, even though there are other games that seem to be doing a pretty good job of it.
And I'm not trying to flame Halo 3 because I'm really a huge fan of the series. I've read all of the books except for Ghosts of the Onyx(going to wait until just before Sep. 25th to pump myself up). I love the art direction, story, characters, and I can't wait to see some of these epic battles they keep talking about. And I know that the AI will be doing some of the coolest stuff to take me down.
Since 1072 Days
2007-08-18 05:37:09 In reply to GriftGFX (2007-08-18 05:25:12)
You want to see a Halo game flop? A multiplayer only version of it would probably be just that. It isn't quake and it isn't unreal. I don't think it would fare too well in the mp only arena. Shadowrun is as big a flop as it is BECAUSE it was an mp only shooter title.
The best chance of success a MP only Halo would probably have is on the PC, but compared to what could've been with an epic singleplayer story to compliment it it would pretty much be as good as a flop.
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