2006-04-13 22:52:21 Brothers in Arms 3 Developer interview gives his opinion on 360, PS3, and Revo as well.

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[b] Never judge a game too harshly via screenshots or videos, because they are in no way capable of properly representing what the game truly looks like were you to see it running in front of you on a 360 [/b]

2006-04-13 23:04:18

That has to be one of the most politically correct quotes I have ever read :)

2006-04-13 23:05:49

Talk about cover all bases.

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Don't touch that Squirrels nuts!

2006-04-13 23:08:56

He vouched for the 360 version of brothers in arms 3 ;) Which probably means it not only looks as good as we've been seeing, but will play as well too.

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[b] Never judge a game too harshly via screenshots or videos, because they are in no way capable of properly representing what the game truly looks like were you to see it running in front of you on a 360 [/b]

2006-04-13 23:15:13

did he state all this whilst having sex with his PC :D

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Don't touch that Squirrels nuts!

2006-04-13 23:19:08

While having sex with his pc and playing re4 on his gamecube :)

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[b] Never judge a game too harshly via screenshots or videos, because they are in no way capable of properly representing what the game truly looks like were you to see it running in front of you on a 360 [/b]

2006-04-14 00:10:26 In reply to Jasper (2006-04-13 23:04:18)

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I am too poor to own a 360... therefor I play with paper statistics. The results of my indepth scientific anaylisis determined the most important benchmark is Pi. As in The Ring of Light.

2006-04-14 00:20:04

I expected him to say well our game isn't too good don't buy it you guys should wait for things like too human, mass effect or halo 3.

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[b] Never judge a game too harshly via screenshots or videos, because they are in no way capable of properly representing what the game truly looks like were you to see it running in front of you on a 360 [/b]

2006-04-14 00:20:57

I liked BiA but when i saw this i thought...lol no its not...
Sure BiA road hill 30 and earned in blood was great a 8/10,but dont call it a freaking AAA title...
Sure the games has got like 85-88% in scores but that doesnt make an AAA title for me :)
However im getting their next title,cause i liked BiA but AAA title? hell no.

"Randy Pitchford: Well - building a new AAA franchise is very hard."

2006-04-14 00:23:54

Well looking at this thing graphically it can easily jump to that level of hype ;) You have some people claiming it looks better than an actual movie (overkill) and others saying it looks better than killzone (I forgot how great killzone looked I'll have to look at it again, but I think its graphically possible)

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[b] Never judge a game too harshly via screenshots or videos, because they are in no way capable of properly representing what the game truly looks like were you to see it running in front of you on a 360 [/b]

2006-04-14 02:29:16 In reply to Optimusv2 (2006-04-14 00:23:54)

2006-04-14 02:49:06

I don't know japan seems to consider FFX the best game in japanese history.....

Not saying I agree or disagree i've personally never played the game.

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[b] Never judge a game too harshly via screenshots or videos, because they are in no way capable of properly representing what the game truly looks like were you to see it running in front of you on a 360 [/b]

2006-04-14 02:59:37

I know they did,and FF7 as the 2nd.
I agree with FF7 being the top 5 game ever made,but ff10? lol... its disgusting.
And btw they even choose ff3 as the 8 best game of all time,wtf?!

Now i love sakaguchi who is doing BD+LO to 360,but i played FF3,and sure it was fine,and great at that time,but...8th place? wtf;grew up bias fanboys aka only japanese games are good kind of people :P

2006-04-14 03:25:51 In reply to QuezcatoL (2006-04-14 02:59:37)

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I am too poor to own a 360... therefor I play with paper statistics. The results of my indepth scientific anaylisis determined the most important benchmark is Pi. As in The Ring of Light.

2006-04-14 03:32:57

I dont want to sound as a fanboy but here is my answere...


Well,here is the problem with gamerankings.com and your sites they use americans sites,and like 1 european and no japanese.
they also doesnt include famitsu or edge,the most respected gaming magazine,or every big european gaming site expect like eurogamer which is a joke,anyway in all other magazines or sites FF7 scored much better,then on these americans sites i can take a ex for you why gamerankings sux.

For ex a NFL game is ranked nr8 on gamerankings.com,which european or japanese gaming magazine or gaming site or which people would consider it top 10 of all times? none.


Also they included idiot reviews in gamerankings instead of adding edge or famitsu the 2 two biggest gaming magazines, for ex one guy who got his reveiwd publish at gamerankings he has a very small site and did a review and gaved ff7 6/10 saying he doesnt even like rpgs now what a great review,i hope gamerankings keep adding reviews like that instead of the major big sites or magazines.
conclusion= gamerankings.com is astupid site.

heck,it got 95 from both gamespot and Ign,for ex oblivion got 9.3 from ign and 9.3 from gamespot(pc versions),so basically ff7 got better score then OB? does that mean its better?.
Well i think so,i got both,however ofc it doesnt mean,it means that it just scored a little better from gamespot+IGN,2 american sites,go and play the game yourself and decie yourself,or go to other sites,or magazines--..

But nvm,in the biggest swedish magazine it got 97/100,and i agree with that score,97 or 98.

Oh also,IGN readers has chosen cloud as their favoruite character,and sephi as favourite villain,and FF7 win best game ever on many sites,like Gamefaqs.com.

2006-04-14 03:45:59

Also,i doesnt think numbers speak for game quality,pokemon serie has sold over 140million ex,while FF serie around 65 million.



"For ex a NFL game is ranked nr8 on gamerankings.com,which european or japanese gaming magazine or gaming site or which people would consider it top 10 of all times? none."

It is ranked nr 10 now,i hasn't been visiting that site since Resident evil4 for gc/ps2,im sorry,its ranked nr10.

But that site should not be used as a way to show overall rankings,cause they doesnt add japanese/european scores,a small american site get their score,but the biggest gaming maagzine for each european country is not on the list,boycot gamerankings.com !!! :)

2006-04-14 04:41:23

Gamerankings.com has a limited number of "respected" sites that are included in the "core" score; there is also the "overall" and "fan" scores, but the % ranking the grade games on in the top 200 is based on respected review sites.

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I am too poor to own a 360... therefor I play with paper statistics. The results of my indepth scientific anaylisis determined the most important benchmark is Pi. As in The Ring of Light.

2006-04-14 07:03:08

Final Fantasy VII is the best game I've ever played. I don't know how good zoot is because I've never played it, but I know for a fact Final Fantasy VII is the best and most fun gaming experience I've ever had only matched recently by elder scrolls, but what gives final fantasy the edge for me is its anime style ;)

I have no problem respecting that zelda was a great game because I remember people going absolutely mad over the game and it was nicely put together from what I've been hearing.

Its all a matter of opinion. For me Final Fantasy VII is the best game ever (why) because of the games I've played its the best ;) Elder Scrolls Oblivion is the only game to come close since :)

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[b] Never judge a game too harshly via screenshots or videos, because they are in no way capable of properly representing what the game truly looks like were you to see it running in front of you on a 360 [/b]

2006-04-14 07:29:42

I am not saying people cannot have a favorite game. Opinions and tastes vary. Gaming is intended to be a wide open, user focused experience.

My comments were more prodding the, "FX10 sucks, FF7 4ever" type comments. Like:

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I am too poor to own a 360... therefor I play with paper statistics. The results of my indepth scientific anaylisis determined the most important benchmark is Pi. As in The Ring of Light.

2006-04-14 08:09:49

Personally, I think FFVII is overatted and has a silly story but some of you know that already (though it is still pretty great). That said, these rankings cannot be viewed in the grand scheme of things because back then games were generally judged harsher than now. Also, some games are viewed differently after some time passes and after standards change. For example, Ico was well recieved when it first came out but it is now considered to be a classic.

Like has been said, it really all does come down to opinion. Kotor is my favorite RPG ever and it was the highest rated last gen RPG but I know many people who disagree with me. I would never presume to call it the greatest RPG ever even though it is my personal favorite.

2006-04-14 08:39:49

Is there empiracle evidence that games are judged less harshly now? Is there not the arguement that games are also better now? (I think that is pretty easy to affirm in general). Muwahaha Devils Advocate!

Anyhow, games are always judges contemperously in regards to the market, platform, franchise, and competing products. FF7 or ZOoT would receive poorer scores today, but were the cream of the crop in their day. Frequently a sequal can be BETTER than the previous version, but score lower because the market has advanced.

But in general, a survey of 3 or 4 dozen critical reviews gives a pretty fair survey that cannot be dismissed immediately, because again, these opinions are based at the point of release and how it was received at its time. e.g. Soul Calibur and Tekken 3 -- fighters!! -- were received VERY well. Would they be now? Of course not, but for their day they were the pinacle of gameplay, graphics, and logevity.

That said, Gamerankings.com for example has a number of games (4) from the N64 and PS generation in the top 20, as well as 2 DC titles and a 90's PC game.

Of course much of this comes down to taste, it is just a tad ironic defending one game while slamming another AAA game that sold great and in general is better received critically.

Take GameRankings #5, Metroid. I really did not dig the lock on system (why did they not offer an option to turn it into a true FPS?), nor did I dig the pacing. But I played it, it is a great game, outstanding polish, etc... So while I did not like it a ton (I am picky) I can see why it was rated so high. Ditto FF7.

Sometimes we have to step outside our own tastes and just admit that we wont like every great game. If I bashed every game I did not like and said, "There is no way that is a AAA game!" there would be very few AAA games--and ironically, the ones I think deserve AAA status rarely find themselves in that position because they don't have the mass market/world wide appeal, don't sell as well, and have flaws (I willingly overlook).

I don't really believe there is a singular "best game ever" because games are a preference/experience, but we can objectively judge quality, innovation, and sales and market appeal and critical success at time of launch. In that context we can roughly gauge "AAA" and even "Top100" and so forth.

FF7 is a great game. But to bash FFX, which is argueably better based on a number of metrics, is a point worth debating IMO.

It is akin to someone saying the Wind Waker is the best Zelda game and saying ZOoT was not a AAA title. How many people would stand by for that?

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I am too poor to own a 360... therefor I play with paper statistics. The results of my indepth scientific anaylisis determined the most important benchmark is Pi. As in The Ring of Light.

2006-04-14 09:40:22

The way I see it no matter how great a game use to be.. at one point or another people will have to start giving the newer games their credit when they outdo them and stop letting the reputation of an older great game influence future games even if its a masterpiece people feel that out of respect for the previous game people can't say its better. You guys know how many great final fantasy games were left forgotten because of how amazing final fantasy VII looked compared to the rest? Its stupid, but combine a great game today with a story as great as final fantasy VII and too human's or brothers in arms calibur of graphics and people will go nuts over it. Can you imagine a final fantasy VII game with the 360's type of power???? WOW! I just get excited thinking about it.

Hell alot of people say no final fantasy game is good anymore SIMPLY because of how much they liked 7, at one point or another people have to move on. I'm one of those final fantasy 7 loving folks as well though ;) ZoOt was great I've read alot of reviews, but if twilight princess is as good as nintendo has said (best zelda ever) then people will probably have a tough time admitting zoot was outdone EVEN if it really was. Thats just how it is :)

Final fantasy VII didn't stand a chance against the beauty of final fantasy X (if it had an amazing story) characters you actually cared about, strong production values, very few flaws, then it was bound to be considered better than ff7 by japan. Thats how it works sometimes. Have them switch places and final fantasy received the type of graphics quality final fantasy X did and final fantasy released back in 97 on the ps1 then maybe japan would consider ff7 the best ever :)

I also think ffx was the first time square used voice acting in one of their games and so obviously people loved the presentation of the game.

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[b] Never judge a game too harshly via screenshots or videos, because they are in no way capable of properly representing what the game truly looks like were you to see it running in front of you on a 360 [/b]

2006-04-14 11:36:36 In reply to Acert93 (2006-04-14 08:39:49)

2006-04-14 15:04:56

But you fail to get what i mean,i said,europeans and japanese gaming sites and magazines arn't in there doesnt matter if they have 1 or 2 european when every freaking country has one magazine that is as big,and the biggest of them all(famitsu) isnt in there,they rather have small american sites then bigger japanese or europans,and yourself said famitsu score is worthless,then i could say every american score is worthless and only european/japanse is worth to read, by using your logic :P

I also said that one of the site gaved ff7 6/10 and said he doesnt even like rpgs if you call him a real critic or anything close to it,your not the smartest guy around ;)

Nah,take away the biggest gaming magazine as famitsu and instead add some more reviews of him and add it at gamerankings.com


My point was this,these sites focus on american reviews and score,why do you think you cant see a soccer game in the score?
Trust me,if soccer was as big as in USA as in the rest of the world,NFL wouldnä't be there but a soccer game would.



"As for Famitsu, their scores are actually pretty worthless. A bad score from Famitsu means a game is bad, but they also give out a lot of very high scores to crappy games. Pretty well established fact :( Edge is a quality magazine, it is sad their American sister mag, Next-Generation, went down."


Okay,cause i though gamespot gaved tony hawk 10/10 and Chrono Cross 10/10 and IGN for ex Gaved Jade empire 10/10,but thats fair right? :P

But i guess its also depend on what the people like and want,in japan rpg's are much more liked,while in usa action/fps or racing is more wanted...
And critics are just normal people no matter what they say,atleast one of the americans reviewers was honest and said he doesnt even like rpgs when reviewed ff7.
But im sure some japanse reviwers is also hostile to some FPS i mean when i looked at the topp 100 of all time by japanese people,50+ in the list was basically rpgs...



Anyway Its all a matter of taste,i listen to european and japanese magazines cause i agree with their taste,and there FF7 is topp 5,however you listen to your american sites,where a NFL is ranked top 10 of all time, ;) bye!

2006-04-14 15:20:35

Sorry IGN gaved Jade empire 9.9 not 10/10 but just as bad :)
I also noticed a funny thing with the halo2 review compared to FF7,with halo2 you got 20-24 xbox magazine or sites,review the game,while on FF7 you had 3-4 psx magazines.

AHum....

:P
Well nvm,im done with gamerankings.com i hasn't visited it for like a year,and i wont do it from now on either,that isn't worth wasting my time on.