SimonM7 The games counterpart is the interaction, the rules of it, the mechanics. Yet many seem to vastly value its storytelling component over those. Or rather, be unable to imagine it standing on its own. (1 minute ago)

SimonM7 Sure, but games are much more than storytelling devices, unlike movies. Sure, a song can move you with lyrics, but we listen for the melody, something a book can't give us. (4 minutes ago)

Ronsauce If paintings/sculptures /movies/fashion can all be praised for their esthetics, I'm sure games can too. (8 minutes ago)

Ronsauce @SimonM7: I always thought the debate was whether games were art, NOT whether they are their own artform...which they would be if they were art in the first place. (11 minutes ago)

Doom_Bringer ATI makes the crappiest GPU's seriously, my GPU keeps freezing and crashing my computer after a 30 min intense workout. Didn't the 360 ATI GPU have the same problem? Cheap bastards (1 Hour ago)

SimonM7 Yeah. We harp on about games supposedly being their own artform, yet the majority of players value the aspects shared with other mediums the most. Not exactly an airtight case. (1 Hour ago)

PlumbDrumb apologies, I was trying to reply. (1 Hour ago)