The first 10 minutes : Colin Mc Rae DiRT

Commented on 2007-06-11 14:25:01 In reply to BlimBlim

Posted by BlimBlim

Nothing at all changed on my side, so I really can't tell. Does youtube still work for you?

Yeah, Youtube works. When I click on the streaming version of a video, I get the banner ad up top, then the gray stripe with the name of the video then a bit of space and a link to the downloadable version. There's not even a box or anything where the video should be.

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BlimBlim

Commented on 2007-06-11 14:56:35

That's strange.

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koenshaku

Commented on 2007-06-11 16:00:00

Sega Rally 3 is going to be hot =)

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hiscore

Commented on 2007-06-11 18:32:14

Screen tearing + slowdown - original CMR devs = no go.
Forza 2 Motorsport on the other hand...

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samhain81

Commented on 2007-06-11 19:42:46

Think i'll pass and stick with CMR 2005, just can't get used to the whole arcade style approach, along with the cheesy as f**k american co driver, what were they thinking?

Leave the arcade rally games to rallisport and sega rally. Bring on Gotham 4, damn that's gonna wipe the floor with them ALL!

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Dangerous

Commented on 2007-06-11 22:32:13

i liked this game alot....wish it had good multiplayer...still getting this game sometime

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110100100

Commented on 2007-06-12 01:55:27 In reply to BlimBlim

Posted by BlimBlim

Actually I still don't have a debug version of the new dashboard :/

The new achievement pop-up should be enabled with the april K, it is on my boxes at work,... but yeah there is no new version of the dash with 5 blades for debug units for some reason.

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anm8rjp

Commented on 2007-06-12 05:38:40

Lighting in this DIRT game looks very impressive. Nice job codemasters.

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dluv81

Commented on 2007-06-12 09:50:06 In reply to hiscore

Posted by hiscore

Screen tearing + slowdown - original CMR devs = no go.
Forza 2 Motorsport on the other hand...

Forza 2 is the better simulation, but apart from 60fps and decent car models it has absolutely nothing to offer in the visual department and is way underachieving on what was promised and claimed. No in game 4xAA (instead it´s extremely jaggy), no HDR (instead a rather cheap bloom effect on some tracks), no realtime dirt and damage effects (i cannot prove but damage model looks very basic and not modelled but rather textured), overall very bland and bad and simple textured environments, not much left of the 3D grass (instead very muddy textures).

So I would actually say some screen tearing and some occasional slowdown is forgiveable considering the overall graphical performance of the game.

And even from gameplay point of view it might come close to Forza because just because Forza is more or less realistic simulation this doesn´t automatically equal fun. Forza 2 can be a lot of fun, but the main mode (career) becomes very stale and boring after a few hours.

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[quote=hiscore]Screen tearing + slowdown - original CMR devs = no go.
Forza 2 Motorsport on the other hand...[/quote]

Forza 2 is the better simulation, but apart from 60fps and decent car models it has absolutely nothing to offer in the visual department and is way underachieving on what was promised and claimed. No in game 4xAA (instead it´s extremely jaggy), no HDR (instead a rather cheap bloom effect on some tracks), no realtime dirt and damage effects (i cannot prove but damage model looks very basic and not modelled but rather textured), overall very bland and bad and simple textured environments, not much left of the 3D grass (instead very muddy textures).

So I would actually say some screen tearing and some occasional slowdown is forgiveable considering the overall graphical performance of the game.

And even from gameplay point of view it might come close to Forza because just because Forza is more or less realistic simulation this doesn´t automatically equal fun. Forza 2 can be a lot of fun, but the main mode (career) becomes very stale and boring after a few hours.

team56th

Commented on 2007-06-12 10:23:49 In reply to dluv81

Posted by dluv81

And even from gameplay point of view it might come close to Forza because just because Forza is more or less realistic simulation this doesn´t automatically equal fun. Forza 2 can be a lot of fun, but the main mode (career) becomes very stale and boring after a few hours.

Question: Do you have Forza 2 or not?

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BobaZloba

Commented on 2007-06-12 10:27:21

Screen tearing (like on the 8th picture) and slowdowns are not acceptable in racing games for me. In Helmet Cam view the game runs at 20 fps at max I'll pass DiRT and wait for FlatoutUC and Sega Rally Revo.

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dluv81

Commented on 2007-06-12 11:10:08 In reply to team56th

Posted by team56th

Question: Do you have Forza 2 or not?

Yes I have been playing it for 7 days now.
And career starts to bore the hell out of me.

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spacemanjupiter

Commented on 2007-06-12 11:36:18

is there something special about my 360? because the demo i have doesn't have any framerate issues, and only rare screen tears. all three parts ran smooth, and i didn't have any weird control issues. the gameplay was delightfully different from one part to the other, and i'm not sure what the one guy meant about floaty gameplay. after playing on the dirt, then tarmac, the tires felt like they really grabbed that road compared to the dirt tracks. if you want FLOATY gameplay, then try motorstorm. now that is floaty gameplay if i have ever experienced it. this game is just beautiful.
all i know is, i was extremely excited to download the forza2 demo, and came away very disappointed. in fact, it didn't stay on my hard drive for more than 2 hours. i download the dirt demo, and came away surprisingly impressed, and it's still on my hard drive. it's more beautiful, got my blood pumping much more, and was more fun than forza2. although i will give forza2 something. within the first 5 seconds of playing, i thought to myself.. this FEELS beautiful. well, for me good gameplay isn't enough. i need something visually stimulating as well to fool my eyes and senses, to immerse me. forza2 did not immerse me...

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is there something special about my 360? because the demo i have doesn't have any framerate issues, and only rare screen tears. all three parts ran smooth, and i didn't have any weird control issues. the gameplay was delightfully different from one part to the other, and i'm not sure what the one guy meant about floaty gameplay. after playing on the dirt, then tarmac, the tires felt like they really grabbed that road compared to the dirt tracks. if you want FLOATY gameplay, then try motorstorm. now that is floaty gameplay if i have ever experienced it. this game is just beautiful. 
all i know is, i was extremely excited to download the forza2 demo, and came away very disappointed. in fact, it didn't stay on my hard drive for more than 2 hours. i download the dirt demo, and came away surprisingly impressed, and it's still on my hard drive. it's more beautiful, got my blood pumping much more, and was more fun than forza2. although i will give forza2 something. within the first 5 seconds of playing, i thought to myself.. this FEELS beautiful. well, for me good gameplay isn't enough. i need something visually stimulating as well to fool my eyes and senses, to immerse me. forza2 did not immerse me...

BobaZloba

Commented on 2007-06-12 12:17:52 In reply to spacemanjupiter

In the Demo, I could see fps and tearing issues in all tree stages, slowdowns were noticable mostly in buggy and corr racing, hillclimb suffered mainly from tearing
I think there are many people who just can't observe lower framerates as easily as the others. I wish I can be one of them

For me is still the King of all Racers Rallisport challenge 2 just because it plays perfect, looks perfect and makes the most fun.

Anyway, look what I found. Hires screens of RC2. Add a bit more polys to cars, bigger textures and HDR effect used nowadays and you'll get the winner!

http://repi.blogspot.com/2005/05/rallisport-challe...

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dluv81

Commented on 2007-06-12 13:03:03

Sorry but that absolutely looks like what it is..

Xbox screens in 720p

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BobaZloba

Commented on 2007-06-12 13:28:00

Yep, and as I wrote: Add this and that and you'll get next gen visuals...you also try to turn off HDR in DiRT PC demo and you'll end up with last gen which does not look as good as RC2

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ramiuk1

Commented on 2007-06-12 13:32:07

guys i gotta with SPACEMAN,i have noticed in the past that ,my 360 runs faster than all my mates,my dashboard is smooth and theres judders sometimes,i played dirt demo and did not once see any slowdown,tearing or anything,i thought it was so smooth,i loved ever second of it and i can count the amount of times i beat the demo tracks,now forza 2 is on my table waiting to be traded in for DIRT,as forza was and is overrated,and this is coming from a die hard forza 1 fan.
pic 8 in first set,that post is bad,but like i said i never seen any tearing,not on any 360 game i have ever played

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team56th

Commented on 2007-06-12 13:38:52 In reply to dluv81

Posted by dluv81

Yes I have been playing it for 7 days now.
And career starts to bore the hell out of me.

Don't wanna offend you but AFAIK it's minority opinion :/

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ramiuk1

Commented on 2007-06-12 13:48:11

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forza 2 is boring,its got about 10 tracks,the fact its got so many cars is great,but it as repetative as my drive to work everyday,same old corners and that.

dluv81

Commented on 2007-06-12 14:40:18 In reply to ramiuk1

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Posted by ramiuk1

forza 2 is boring,its got about 10 tracks,the fact its got so many cars is great,but it as repetative as my drive to work everyday,same old corners and that.

Exactly. Racing is not much of a challenge in career mode especially when you start tuning your cars it gets ridiculously easy, so you end up driving at least 30 seconds or more ahead of the other drivers on the same tracks over and over again for what feels like 5000 times. Especially the test track is a torture and as much fun as a colonoscopy.

BobaZloba

Commented on 2007-06-12 15:00:11

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Forza 2 needs more tracks like Nuerburgring Nordschleife - longer, countryside oriented and nice to look at tracks...

ramiuk1

Commented on 2007-06-12 15:07:13

i have no idea why they took point to point out,it was great fun in Forza 1,but lets not forget this is dirt page guys.

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roxwell

Commented on 2007-06-12 15:14:19

This is not a Forza thread!!

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KORNdog

Commented on 2007-06-12 21:46:34 In reply to roxwell

Posted by roxwell

This is not a Forza thread!!

thank god, if it was it'd be filled with what seems to be the games only real draw, the paint work customisation.

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hiscore

Commented on 2007-06-13 10:37:01

So let's talk DiRT again
It amazes me few people actually SEE the more than obvious screen tearing in the demo as well as in the gameplay movies. Perhaps a generation is getting used to unpolished (racing) games, perhaps they don't bother. Maybe both. Even worse, a generation of videogame reviewers simply ignores this technical issue (which is the consequence of devs using the VSYNC OFF option to artificially increase the framerate at the cost of screen coherence, hence the tearing which manifests itself as a horizontal line on screen). DiRT (to come back on topic) is a good example of a game using a new graphical engine which at its early stages cannot be tuned as projected within the timeframe of release so the devs chose the 'easy' way (production time and money saving way) of VSYNC OFF. It's a pity one of the DiRT devs stated earlier that they capped the game at 30 fps "to eliminate screen tearing". Obviously they didn't reach that goal. If we don't mention it on the forums or in the reviews, the devs will stop bothering about us feeling bad about screen tearing. That's why we should bring it to the public attention. Greetings, Hiscore (licensed audiovisual technician)

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So let's talk DiRT again :-)
It amazes me few people actually SEE the more than obvious screen tearing in the demo as well as in the gameplay movies. Perhaps a generation is getting used to unpolished (racing) games, perhaps they don't bother. Maybe both. Even worse, a generation of videogame reviewers simply ignores this technical issue (which is the consequence of devs using the VSYNC OFF option to artificially increase the framerate at the cost of screen coherence, hence the tearing which manifests itself as a horizontal line on screen). DiRT (to come back on topic) is a good example of a game using a new graphical engine which at its early stages cannot be tuned as projected within the timeframe of release so the devs chose the 'easy' way (production time and money saving way) of VSYNC OFF. It's a pity one of the DiRT devs stated earlier that they capped the game at 30 fps "to eliminate screen tearing". Obviously they didn't reach that goal. If we don't mention it on the forums or in the reviews, the devs will stop bothering about us feeling bad about screen tearing. That's why we should bring it to the public attention. Greetings, Hiscore (licensed audiovisual technician)

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