why is everybody surprised it looks worse?
less ram - less res textures. it`s that simple.
there is no magical way to store the same amount of data in less ram. even the "allmighty" cell (yet to be proven btw) can`t change that. if it could i`d buy one ^_^
Have this already and play online on the xbox360, so im good, dont need to buy it a second time, so hey if u didnt play it b4 and have a PS3 i say go a head and buy it. other than that, its a year old game haha..
Commented on 2007-12-11 00:43:33 In reply to Xion4360
Posted by Xion4360
that is less than official..ill reserve any sort of reaction for later
The 360 announcement was less than official as well. They both came from retailer lists. Unless you mean you aren't sure if Lost Planet: Colonies will even come out. Then I'm with you.
Commented on 2007-12-11 06:56:22 In reply to kprountzos
Posted by kprountzos
Just look at Drake's fortune textures to really see how goooooood!!!!!! ps3 textures can be if the game is created only with ps3 in mind from scratch.
ANY PORT FROM XBOX360 IS LAAAAZZZZY AND THAT IS A FACT.
Bethesda would like to talk to you. Not really interested in this game when it was out for my 360, don't really care for it on my PS3. Majority of ports from one console to another wont be better, just take a look at DMC4, even though it's developed for both 360 and PS3 it was designed on the PS3 (from previews I've seen).
Not exactly shocking it looks worse than the 360 version.
The 360 game was developed from ground up to take advantage of the 360.
Now you try and port that to PS3 and you're going to run into problems. The main one being PS3 has 256MB ram and 360 has 512MB. How exactly do you compensate for that?
It would be the same if you tried to port a former PS3 exclusive to 360. How would you compensate for the different processor ability and disc storage?
As for a sequel, considering they are making the effort to port the original, you would expect the sequel to be multi-format or a timed 360 exclusive. Capcom are out to make a profit this gen and that means multi-format.
Their original offerings on 360 were exclusive because they wanted to see what sort of sales they would get if they aimed at a western audience. 360 was the best console to do so.
As for the above post about DMC4, it's using the Lost Planet/Dead Rising engine that was developed for 360 so you imagine that would be the lead format.
Commented on 2007-12-11 22:21:15 In reply to blinx01
Posted by blinx01
As for the above post about DMC4, it's using the Lost Planet/Dead Rising engine that was developed for 360 so you imagine that would be the lead format.
Actually, no. The LP engine was optimized for the PS3 and improved upon to make the DMC 4 engine. Thus, the PS3 version is the lead platform as the 360 version wasn't started until well into the PS3 version's development cycle. That is why all the direct feed screens and movies come from the PS3 version.
Commented on 2007-12-11 23:34:42 In reply to jackdoe
Posted by jackdoe
Actually, no. The LP engine was optimized for the PS3 and improved upon to make the DMC 4 engine. Thus, the PS3 version is the lead platform as the 360 version wasn't started until well into the PS3 version's development cycle. That is why all the direct feed screens and movies come from the PS3 version.
I've yet to see any info on the matter so I can't really agree nor disagree.
However, you would think that if they did optimize the LP engine for PS3 then Lost Planet would actually look decent and not show signs of being an obvious port?
Commented on 2007-12-12 01:48:59 In reply to blinx01
Actually, I was wrong earlier. The engine being used to power LP, DR, and DMC 4 is known as the MT, developed on the PC (found in the latest N'gai Croal article). That is then optimized to PS3 or 360 specifications. As DMC 4 was originally slated to be a PS3 exclusive, that is the lead platform. Same with LP and DR being 360 exclusives. I'm guessing the optimized 360 version of MT used to power LP was poorly ported to the PS3 as the optimized 360 version is so different from the optimized PS3 version. Because just because you share a common base engine, doesn't make it the same engine.
Commented on 2007-12-12 12:20:36 In reply to Bakutheswede
Posted by Bakutheswede
And what simple fact would that be?
I said facts, not fact.
Fact 1: you can not use 100% of the free video memory for textures, you need space for frame-, Z- and other buffers. This alone reveals the naive fallacy of 110100100.
Fact 2: the RSX can render textures from main memory, and quite efficiently so.
Fact 3 (esspecially for blinx01): the PS3 has just about the same amount of available RAM as the X360. There are only 2 differences: first, the X360 has it unified while on PS3 it is split into two even pools. And second: the PS3 reserves a bit over double the memory than the X360 for internal activities - 32MB versus 72 MB (by FW 1.8, might be reduced further with FW 2.0).
These missing 40MB (or less) do not justify the downgrade of Lost Planet. It is simply a cheap conversion, where the devs don't bother rewriting the engine to handle textures from main memory. So they simple downsize them to fit into video memory, while the main memory prolly has plenty of free space. This way you also only utilize half the memory bandwith available to RSX, as the other bus lies idle. Sadly, this is the same as with a lot of other X360-ports.
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Commented on 2007-12-10 20:39:25
Commented on 2007-12-10 20:39:48aren't ports supposed to look similar or close to the original?
Commented on 2007-12-10 20:52:25 In reply to Xion4360
Commented on 2007-12-10 20:52:50 In reply to Splicer261aren't ports supposed to look similar or close to the original?
Commented on 2007-12-10 21:09:46 In reply to jackdoe
Commented on 2007-12-10 21:20:56less ram - less res textures. it`s that simple.
there is no magical way to store the same amount of data in less ram. even the "allmighty" cell (yet to be proven btw) can`t change that. if it could i`d buy one ^_^
Commented on 2007-12-10 23:20:13
Commented on 2007-12-10 23:58:23
Commented on 2007-12-11 00:43:33 In reply to Xion4360
Commented on 2007-12-11 00:44:12 In reply to Knodi
Commented on 2007-12-11 01:21:07
Commented on 2007-12-11 02:15:04in all seriousness i thought you could hold more like..stuff on em??
Commented on 2007-12-11 02:41:57 In reply to jioann00in all seriousness i thought you could hold more like..stuff on em??
Commented on 2007-12-11 06:56:22 In reply to kprountzosANY PORT FROM XBOX360 IS LAAAAZZZZY AND THAT IS A FACT.
Commented on 2007-12-11 17:26:45The 360 game was developed from ground up to take advantage of the 360.
Now you try and port that to PS3 and you're going to run into problems. The main one being PS3 has 256MB ram and 360 has 512MB. How exactly do you compensate for that?
It would be the same if you tried to port a former PS3 exclusive to 360. How would you compensate for the different processor ability and disc storage?
As for a sequel, considering they are making the effort to port the original, you would expect the sequel to be multi-format or a timed 360 exclusive. Capcom are out to make a profit this gen and that means multi-format.
Their original offerings on 360 were exclusive because they wanted to see what sort of sales they would get if they aimed at a western audience. 360 was the best console to do so.
As for the above post about DMC4, it's using the Lost Planet/Dead Rising engine that was developed for 360 so you imagine that would be the lead format.
Commented on 2007-12-11 22:21:15 In reply to blinx01
Commented on 2007-12-11 23:34:42 In reply to jackdoeHowever, you would think that if they did optimize the LP engine for PS3 then Lost Planet would actually look decent and not show signs of being an obvious port?
Commented on 2007-12-12 01:48:59 In reply to blinx01
Commented on 2007-12-12 12:20:36 In reply to BakutheswedeFact 1: you can not use 100% of the free video memory for textures, you need space for frame-, Z- and other buffers. This alone reveals the naive fallacy of 110100100.
Fact 2: the RSX can render textures from main memory, and quite efficiently so.
Fact 3 (esspecially for blinx01): the PS3 has just about the same amount of available RAM as the X360. There are only 2 differences: first, the X360 has it unified while on PS3 it is split into two even pools. And second: the PS3 reserves a bit over double the memory than the X360 for internal activities - 32MB versus 72 MB (by FW 1.8, might be reduced further with FW 2.0).
These missing 40MB (or less) do not justify the downgrade of Lost Planet. It is simply a cheap conversion, where the devs don't bother rewriting the engine to handle textures from main memory. So they simple downsize them to fit into video memory, while the main memory prolly has plenty of free space. This way you also only utilize half the memory bandwith available to RSX, as the other bus lies idle. Sadly, this is the same as with a lot of other X360-ports.