Tales of Vesperia trailer

Commented on 2007-12-26 07:35:13 In reply to Tinks

Posted by Tinks

Comments like this regarding graphics make me want to scoop my eyes out with a spoon and run down the street screaming

Don't like to hear the truth?

Seriously, compare this with Dragon Quest 8 and then Eternal Sonata, really does look DQ8 level, besides the resolution...

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Stac

Commented on 2007-12-26 07:47:10

Wow Blim can spell "Bandai" wrongly

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wuffyx

Commented on 2007-12-26 09:27:17 In reply to Jigen

Posted by Jigen

Don't like to hear the truth?

Seriously, compare this with Dragon Quest 8 and then Eternal Sonata, really does look DQ8 level, besides the resolution...

Truth? You're judging this by one trailer of a game.... Sorry but your comment is a little bit shallow.

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noxian

Commented on 2007-12-26 13:34:30 In reply to Jigen

Posted by Jigen

Don't like to hear the truth?

Seriously, compare this with Dragon Quest 8 and then Eternal Sonata, really does look DQ8 level, besides the resolution...

but the problem then is the truth would be, even based on this trailer, it looks far more like Eternal Sonata than DQ8 especially when you take into account the HD resolution

maybe you should play DQ8 and the various cel-shaded rpgs on the PS2 again before you start proclaiming the truth.

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georaldc

Commented on 2007-12-26 19:30:41

Actually, imo it actually does look like a ps2 rpg but I've only streamed the video. Eternal Sonata looks much better at the moment for me.

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Commented on 2007-12-26 21:54:18 In reply to georaldc

Posted by georaldc

Actually, imo it actually does look like a ps2 rpg but I've only streamed the video. Eternal Sonata looks much better at the moment for me.

Well your opinion is moot seeing as you didn't watch the HD version.

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Commented on 2007-12-26 22:01:39 In reply to noxian

Posted by noxian

but the problem then is the truth would be, even based on this trailer, it looks far more like Eternal Sonata than DQ8 especially when you take into account the HD resolution

maybe you should play DQ8 and the various cel-shaded rpgs on the PS2 again before you start proclaiming the truth.

Maybe you should take a closer look at this game's graphics? Look at that chain on the drawbridge. That's not stylization, that's just horrible graphics. Look at the shield the one character holds up near the beginning. That's not stylization, again, horrible graphics.

I've played DQ8 recently enough to see what's obvious. Resolution will make the images more clear and sharp, but it doesn't make the game even approach Eternal Sonata's graphical fidelity.

Posted by wuffyx

Truth? You're judging this by one trailer of a game.... Sorry but your comment is a little bit shallow.

There only IS one trailer for now. I'm judging the trailer for what it is. Maybe they'll put the work in to bring the graphics up to current gen levels, maybe they won't. The game's quality might be good or bad irregardless. However, it's a fact to say the graphics in this trailer are not up to standards with 99% of current gen titles (non-Wii btw).

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[quote=noxian]

but the problem then is the truth would be, even based on this trailer, it looks far more like Eternal Sonata than DQ8 especially when you take into account the HD resolution

maybe you should play DQ8 and the various cel-shaded rpgs on the PS2 again before you start proclaiming the truth.[/quote]

Maybe you should take a closer look at this game's graphics?  Look at that chain on the drawbridge.  That's not stylization, that's just horrible graphics.  Look at the shield the one character holds up near the beginning.  That's not stylization, again, horrible graphics.

I've played DQ8 recently enough to see what's obvious.  Resolution will make the images more clear and sharp, but it doesn't make the game even approach Eternal Sonata's graphical fidelity.

[quote=wuffyx]

Truth?  You're judging this by one trailer of a game....  Sorry but your comment is a little bit shallow.[/quote]

There only IS one trailer for now.  I'm judging the trailer for what it is.  Maybe they'll put the work in to bring the graphics up to current gen levels, maybe they won't.  The game's quality might be good or bad irregardless.  However, it's a fact to say the graphics in this trailer are not up to standards with 99% of current gen titles (non-Wii btw).

Commented on 2007-12-26 23:43:25

Well don't buy it then, because we know games with bad graphics are bad full stop right. ?

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FrostFox

Commented on 2007-12-27 01:07:51

A good looking rpg, nice nice..

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Commented on 2007-12-27 01:49:11

I didn't watch it in motion but the caps didn't impress me. The textures on the characters seem rather crappy and since they are going for an anime look there isn't much detail to speak of. But then again the style sort of limit's what you can do with it as well. Still the environments look rather empty and well...not much detail to be seen anywhere at all. But while i'm not impressed i'm not at all disappointed either, this is sort of what i've come to expect from these kinds of games. Let's just hope that it lives up to the expectations of the fans. I personally abandoned "Tales of" after destiny. Sthan was the man.

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Drsw36

Commented on 2007-12-27 04:37:12

Whats with all the hating? I tell you this gem gamers are a bunch of graphics wores.

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neolucifer

Commented on 2007-12-27 04:48:33 In reply to Jigen

Posted by Jigen

The textures are PS2 grade, for one. Which is several times worse than Eternal Sonata. Modeling of both the environments and characters are far inferior too (polygon counts). Finally there's basically no shaders I can see whatsoever, but Eternal Sonata didn't have many either.

So basically it's a PS2 game in HD. Graphics of course aren't everything, but I can't see how you could argue these graphics are on par with other 360 or PS3 games (except maybe something like Beautiful Katamari).

BS no they arent .. you can evolve technique all you want , in the end a fujishima created character will looks like a fujishima one . From the animation , framerate and level of 3d one can tell that the game is perfectly fine , the only thing lacking details are well the graphic style , wich got nothing to do with the engine itself .
Hell you even had the black and white drawings of the heroes , and its the same inkless , clean yet simplistic drawings ... You could give it the unreal engine , it would be a waste and not so much better (except imo for some collision issues)

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[quote=Jigen]

The textures are PS2 grade, for one.  Which is several times worse than Eternal Sonata.  Modeling of both the environments and characters are far inferior too (polygon counts).  Finally there's basically no shaders I can see whatsoever, but Eternal Sonata didn't have many either.

So basically it's a PS2 game in HD.  Graphics of course aren't everything, but I can't see how you could argue these graphics are on par with other 360 or PS3 games (except maybe something like Beautiful Katamari).[/quote]

BS no they arent .. you can evolve technique all you want , in the end a fujishima created character will looks like a fujishima one . From the animation , framerate and level of 3d one can tell that the game is perfectly fine , the only thing lacking details are well the graphic style , wich got nothing to do with the engine itself .
Hell you even had the black and white drawings of the heroes , and its the same inkless , clean yet simplistic drawings ... You could give it the unreal engine , it would be a waste and not so much better (except imo for some collision issues)

Commented on 2007-12-27 05:12:00 In reply to Jollipop

Posted by Jollipop

Well don't buy it then, because we know games with bad graphics are bad full stop right. ?

Why don't you just stop responding instead? You're not even reading what I'm typing anymore.

Posted by neolucifer

BS no they arent .. you can evolve technique all you want , in the end a fujishima created character will looks like a fujishima one . From the animation , framerate and level of 3d one can tell that the game is perfectly fine , the only thing lacking details are well the graphic style , wich got nothing to do with the engine itself .
Hell you even had the black and white drawings of the heroes , and its the same inkless , clean yet simplistic drawings ... You could give it the unreal engine , it would be a waste and not so much better (except imo for some collision issues)

You obviously can't tell anything about graphics. Team Fortress 2 has style, this is just lazy.

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lastdual

Commented on 2007-12-27 08:00:15

The simple, clean character models don't bother me, but it would be nice to see more fluid animation. Outside of the battles, the character animation just looks very stiff. Time for the Tales team to learn some mo-cap.

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Hrimthur

Commented on 2007-12-27 11:16:58

Oh wow, a new "Tales of ..."-Game. Yeahhaaaaa, oh ya sweet JRPGs, come to me, come to me ^^
This, and Star Ocean... Oh my God, gonna have to quit my job, otherwise wouldn't have enough time *lol*

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Commented on 2007-12-27 13:56:25 In reply to Jigen

Posted by Jigen

Why don't you just stop responding instead? You're not even reading what I'm typing anymore.

Stop posting crap and I will.

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Commented on 2007-12-27 16:12:22 In reply to Drsw36

Posted by Drsw36

Whats with all the hating? I tell you this gem gamers are a bunch of graphics wores.

We only have the graphics to speak of. We have a movie and just about nothing else. What should we comment on? How fantastic the combat system could possibly be? How awesome the story that we don't know shit about is? Sheesh, of course the main focus will be on graphics, and if you don't like that i think you picked the wrong site to post at since it's all about game media here, once a game is released and you can actually discuss the game as a whole nothing is posted about it here anyways.

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neolucifer

Commented on 2007-12-27 17:03:58 In reply to Jigen

Posted by Jigen

You obviously can't tell anything about graphics. Team Fortress 2 has style, this is just lazy.

You obviously cant argue , as expected . The tales game got style , just one you obviously dislike . No one is comparing the engine to the source one , and even then , i've yet to see a game as fast paced as a tri ace or tales run on a source engine .

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Commented on 2007-12-27 17:09:13 In reply to Megido

Posted by Megido

We only have the graphics to speak of. We have a movie and just about nothing else. What should we comment on? How fantastic the combat system could possibly be? How awesome the story that we don't know shit about is? Sheesh, of course the main focus will be on graphics.

Tales games are never graphically impressive and the art style is generally quite simplistic, so I duno what the big deal is about the graphics, If you know the series then you know not to expect awesome graphics or gameplay the whole series is quite average if you ask me, but worth playing if you like JRPGs.

Trusty Bell may have had nice graphics but it was a pretty rubbish game, this could be the complete oppisite and I kind of hope it is, because I don't buy games for pretty graphics.

Posted by Megido

and if you don't like that i think you picked the wrong site to post at since it's all about game media here, once a game is released and you can actually discuss the game as a whole nothing is posted about it here anyways

Maybe you should check the forums :S

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[quote=Megido]

We only have the graphics to speak of. We have a movie and just about nothing else. What should we comment on? How fantastic the combat system could possibly be? How awesome the story that we don't know shit about is? Sheesh, of course the main focus will be on graphics.[/quote]

Tales games are never graphically impressive and the art style is generally quite simplistic, so I duno what the big deal is about the graphics, If you know the series then you know not to expect awesome graphics or gameplay the whole series is quite average if you ask me, but worth playing if you like JRPGs.

Trusty Bell may have had nice graphics but it was a pretty rubbish game, this could be the complete oppisite and I kind of hope it is, because I don't buy games for pretty graphics.

[quote=Megido]and if you don't like that i think you picked the wrong site to post at since it's all about game media here, once a game is released and you can actually discuss the game as a whole nothing is posted about it here anyways[/quote]

Maybe you should check the forums :S

Commented on 2007-12-27 17:23:59

Jolli: i do check the forums every now and again, but generally i only seem to find new posts either relating to these updates or in the off-topic section ^^

Also i'm not complaining about the graphics, i know that j-rpgs in general (and particularly those who want to have an anime look) tend to have a simpler art style and therefore offers less detail. Though i have to say that simple anime style gfx was not always a mark for the "tales of" series, Phantsia looked incredible for it's time and i can't say i'm disappointed with the work they did with Destiny either. Those were of course 2d, but there's high attention to detail in those games that i just can't say i find in these later iterations.

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neolucifer

Commented on 2007-12-27 17:39:56

you said it , only Phantasia was at the top graphic wise when it was released . Destiny was indeed a lazy on the graphic side , since it was just basically a snes game using the cd space of the playstation for anime cutscenes and a few sfx.

However i disagree a bit with you afterward . Tales of Eternia , thought a game i cant enjoy because of its annoying (imo) characters and lame story , featured top notch 2d graphics back then . Just because some gamespot idiot dismiss anything 2d as "ugly" or not awesome , doesnt mean jack .
It featured highly stylised sprites in an hectic tales games with tons of effects , as usual .
Tales of destiny 2 and rebirth were awesomely done too , in the 2d area , and set the bar higher . It just wasnt released in usa and europe .
Lets not even mention the great tales of destiny remake with not only a complete graphic rehaul , but gameplay , story and content one too .
Tales of symphonia on ps2 was quite a feat , given its gamecube lineage , said gamecube game wich wasnt ugly in any way .
The serie lacked seriously in the graphics area around legendia , and only started getting better with Abyss , plagued with loadings and glitchs , and empty backgrounds .

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you said it , only Phantasia was at the top graphic wise when it was released . Destiny was indeed a lazy on the graphic side , since it was just basically a snes game using the cd space of the playstation for anime cutscenes and a few sfx.

However i  disagree a bit with you afterward . Tales of Eternia , thought a game i cant enjoy because of its annoying (imo) characters and lame story , featured top notch 2d graphics back then . Just because some gamespot idiot dismiss anything 2d as "ugly" or not awesome , doesnt mean jack .
It featured highly stylised sprites in an hectic tales games with tons of effects , as usual .
Tales of destiny 2 and rebirth were awesomely done too , in the 2d area , and set the bar higher . It just wasnt released in usa and europe .
Lets not even mention the great tales of destiny remake with not only a complete graphic rehaul , but gameplay , story and content one too .
Tales of symphonia on ps2 was quite a feat , given its gamecube lineage , said gamecube game wich wasnt ugly in any way .
The serie lacked seriously in the graphics area around legendia , and only started getting better with Abyss , plagued with loadings and glitchs , and empty backgrounds .

Drsw36

Commented on 2007-12-27 19:49:29 In reply to Megido

Posted by Megido

We only have the graphics to speak of. We have a movie and just about nothing else. What should we comment on? How fantastic the combat system could possibly be? How awesome the story that we don't know shit about is? Sheesh, of course the main focus will be on graphics, and if you don't like that i think you picked the wrong site to post at since it's all about game media here, once a game is released and you can actually discuss the game as a whole nothing is posted about it here anyways.

So...what? I can't post my opinions and feelling about this but you can? I picked the right site cause I love games DUH. I'm just commenting like you do.

I think that people ARE focusing too much on graphic this gen. graphic dosen't make a video game. Thats all, no need to get mad at me.

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Commented on 2007-12-27 20:19:55 In reply to Drsw36

Posted by Drsw36

So...what? I can't post my opinions and feelling about this but you can? I picked the right site cause I love games DUH. I'm just commenting like you do.

I think that people ARE focusing too much on graphic this gen. graphic dosen't make a video game. Thats all, no need to get mad at me.

I'm not mad at you at all, i just think it's a bit weird to whine about people being graphic whores on a board where we basically discuss how great or sucky screen shots look. And you were by the way just calling people in general graphic whores, not expressing your opinion about the game ;)

neolucifer: Eternia looks great but then again that's about it. Every other aspect of the game sucks dong. And that's not even my opinion, that's a full fledged truth. I can't comment on the other games except for Symphonia which looked alright, but hardly amazing in any way.

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