Activision releases the first three images of Enemy Territory: Quake Wars, via Sony America since the screens are from the PS3 version. Let's say it could use some more work.
Well, it looks much better than my PC can run it - of course, this is the PS3 version, so of course there's no AA! I imagine it will look pretty sweet on 360.
Was really looking forward to this but then they delayed it. And now Frontlines is out and about doing everything they claim but far better. A shame but I don't see a point in buying this anymore.
Commented on 2008-04-11 13:08:38 In reply to mt_sabao
Posted by mt_sabao
this game's out on the PC for months, the initial interest factor as decreased to almost zero (just like UT3... :/) and all they can come up with to interest is THIS?!!?!
Thanks for nothing!
UT3 launched with no interest factor.. but I hear people actually care about it on the PS3, so maybe there's still hope for an additional audience for UT on the 360 as well. UT3 was basically DOA on the PC, and they've had trouble sparking any additional interest.. I haven't seen any statistics but it's almost certain that there are more people playing it on the PS3 than PC at this point.
Posted by Xerx3s
Was really looking forward to this but then they delayed it. And now Frontlines is out and about doing everything they claim but far better. A shame but I don't see a point in buying this anymore.
Aye.. FFOW is one shooter heavy on its classes (and roles, pretty unique) that actually seems to have a bit of a cult following on the 360. That's good to hear. The game has a ton of flaws, both technical and in design, but KAOS is extremely dedicated to continuing to make their product better. It's a shame that infantry combat in FFOW feels so stiff and mechanical, because their vehicles are easily the best in any game since BF2.
I actually think that ETQW is a pretty competent game, certainly more so than some might suggest, but I don't see this going over well on either console platform.
It does seem like a bit of a waste of time and resources.. and the ports are bound to function about as well as they look. ETQW was designed as a PC game from the ground up and I have a feeling that will show, unless they put some serious effort into giving it some game pad lovin.
I really like Quake Wars on the pc, though I dont have any microphone to use with it. I do have one on the 360 so that would help out. Also, does the game feature splitscreen? It could be fun to battle against to bots with the friends on the sofa!
Commented on 2008-04-11 18:03:45 In reply to GriftGFX
Posted by GriftGFX
No really, it looks way better than this. I can achieve these graphics w/ ETQW and a 6800GT. This game handles massive environments very well too.. surprisingly well even. The levels are gigantic, BF2 gigantic if not bigger.
Well, as far as the graphics quality alone, I think it comes down to a matter of opinion. Adding image quality to the engine doesn't radically change the quality of the overall graphics in the game IMO.
The game doesn't handle massive environments well because the overall graphics fidelity is very low, which is my point. It's not that a mid-range PC can run the game at a high FPS but rather that the game always looks ugly.
The TF2 community is nowhere near dead on 360, and that sounds like PC fanboy drivel (because it's the constant BS I hear from real PC fanboys). Refresh the servers a few times, there are thousands playing TF2 on 360...
Commented on 2008-04-11 18:13:59 In reply to Jigen
Posted by Xerx3s
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Posted by Jigen
The TF2 community is nowhere near dead on 360, and that sounds like PC fanboy drivel (because it's the constant BS I hear from real PC fanboys). Refresh the servers a few times, there are thousands playing TF2 on 360...
Is that why it is being isolated in terms of patches and class upgrades etc? TF2 is an excellent game, by all means, but the lag ruined it on consoles tbf. It's fantastic on the PC.
Commented on 2008-04-11 18:23:33 In reply to citizenx
Posted by citizenx
Is that why it is being isolated in terms of patches and class upgrades etc? TF2 is an excellent game, by all means, but the lag ruined it on consoles tbf. It's fantastic on the PC.
Well that's irrelevant to the fact that many people are still playing the game on 360, and that the game is quite playable, and lag is only a problem if you stick to the first server you join (and don't leave if it's laggy).
Commented on 2008-04-11 18:26:45 In reply to Jigen
Posted by Jigen
Well that's irrelevant to the fact that many people are still playing the game on 360, and that the game is quite playable, and lag is only a problem if you stick to the first server you join (and don't leave if it's laggy).
I'll rephrase then - do you not think Valve would release the patches on the 360, if they felt the userbase was sufficient?
Commented on 2008-04-11 20:08:06 In reply to citizenx
Posted by citizenx
I'll rephrase then - do you not think Valve would release the patches on the 360, if they felt the userbase was sufficient?
I believe it has nothing at all to do with the userbase. It's Microsoft and their policy of QA. The game has already gotten at least 2 patches on the 360, but it's harder to put out a patch on the 360, and would be stupid to put out every single patch because you'd probably end up paying a lot of money to do so.
It has nothing at all to do with the population of the game. I just played on 3 different servers this morning because this thread made me think of it. The problem with people thinking the 360 version doesn't have many people playing is 100% due to the wonky refresh system. At one point I did 3 refreshes that said there were no servers, when moments before and later there were hundreds of people playing on many servers. The server list also never shows full servers, there's no way to see those at all. So basically the 360 version has nearly as many people playing as the PC version, if not more. BTW, 2 of the servers were completely lag free with 16 people and the games were quite fun, the 2nd server I joined regularly dropped people for some reason, so as soon as I was dropped I found another server.
Okay, maybe dead was an overstatement, but it's community isn't exactly breaking any records and it's probably shrinking daily. This isn't a pissing contest.. this doesn't even have anything to do with the fact that the game is better on the PC. It'll never appear in the Xbox Live top 10 (behind crap like Vegas 2 and oldies like Gears of War) and if there was a top 20 it probably wouldn't be found in that list either. Perhaps there is a community there still, but then again there are still people who play Quake 3, that doesn't make it particularly popular.
My point is simply this: The easier an FPS's learning curve (note: this doesn't necessarily make a game better or worse) the more likely it is to have a healthy community on the PS360. There's a reason that DICE is delivering a boiled down to basics version of Battlefield on consoles, and it's because they want to compete with the big guys.
And despite what you may force yourself to think, this game does look much better than this on the PC, and the engine does handle the environments very well. It's a much better looking game than say, 2142, with maps that are at least as large and an engine that is far more stable. Considering it's not exactly a new release, it's visuals are very competent and it looks much better than you're suggesting, with detailed interior and exterior environments in the same massive level.. and it scales extremely well too.. it would run @ 30+ fps with the level of fidelity shown here on fairly old hardware.
But I know that suggesting that any game looks better, or has a better community on the PC seems to get your panties in a bunch, so believe whatever you want. The PC sucks, comfy couches rule, etc etc.
Commented on 2008-04-11 22:27:07 In reply to GriftGFX
Posted by GriftGFX
Okay, maybe dead was an overstatement, but it's community isn't exactly breaking any records and it's probably shrinking daily. This isn't a pissing contest.. this doesn't even have anything to do with the fact that the game is better on the PC. It'll never appear in the Xbox Live top 10 (behind crap like Vegas 2 and oldies like Gears of War) and if there was a top 20 it probably wouldn't be found in that list either. Perhaps there is a community there still, but then again there are still people who play Quake 3, that doesn't make it particularly popular.
My point is simply this: The easier an FPS's learning curve (note: this doesn't necessarily make a game better or worse) the more likely it is to have a healthy community on the PS360. There's a reason that DICE is delivering a boiled down to basics version of Battlefield on consoles, and it's because they want to compete with the big guys.
And despite what you may force yourself to think, this game does look much better than this on the PC, and the engine does handle the environments very well. It's a much better looking game than say, 2142, with maps that are at least as large and an engine that is far more stable. Considering it's not exactly a new release, it's visuals are very competent and it looks much better than you're suggesting, with detailed interior and exterior environments in the same massive level.. and it scales extremely well too.. it would run @ 30+ fps with the level of fidelity shown here on fairly old hardware.
But I know that suggesting that any game looks better, or has a better community on the PC seems to get your panties in a bunch, so believe whatever you want. The PC sucks, comfy couches rule, etc etc.
Certainaly not breaking any records on PC either, but that's besides the point. Probably shrinking daily? What proof do you have of that? I think it's almost certainly not true because WAY back when Orange Box was just a week or two old it WAS hard to find servers quite often. Since they patched the lag twice I've NEVER had any problems getting a decent server when I play.
It's your OPINION that the PC version is better, I have both the PC version and Orange Box on 360, I play the 360 version of TF2 far more, if you want a screenshot of my Steam I can provide it, but I don't even have TF2 installed on my PC right now. I agree it can't even come close to COD4 or Halo 3 at the very least on Live, those are easily the biggest played MP games ever, hundreds of thousands of players ALWAYS, they're bigger than CounterStrike was on its best day on PC. That's beside the point though.
There's a lot of games that do far worse online that TF2 on 360, that's my point. Chromehounds, while a great game, will only have a dozen or so playing at a time, Call of Juarez has very little too, those are the Quake 3's of 360 Live.
I don't disagree that Quake Wars won't ever approach the top tier 360 games, but these games tend to sell really well even if they're shit. Turok is my example. I don't agree with your statement about the BF games though. They haven't actually reduced the complexity of BFBC or BF2MC much at all, or at all, however they did make the games more clunky, when capturing the smooth play of BF2 (which is more akin to COD4) would have been more optimal than all of the above.
Well I admit I never played Quake Wars. All I did was see videos and shots, and the game has never impressed me. Once again, you might get 60fps on the large maps on a decent computer, and that's why you say 'handle well', however I argue that 'handling well' is more than just having mediocre graphics. 2142 was the same engine as BF2 right? It doesn't mean much that QW looks better than that game.
This game isn't even out on consoles and you're suggesting that the community will never exist, you're saying complete FUD about TF2 on 360. Of course I'm going to correct the BS you're spouting. No reason to get defensive and bring up strawman arguments like 'comfy couches'. If you're going to be the vanguard for PC gaming on these forums at least back up your arguments with facts instead of making up shit and attacking people for pointing out the truth.
Right--I'm the one making things up here--even though you're using equally anecdotal evidence to suggest that there are actually more people playing TF2 on the 360 than there are the PC, without even a single statistic to back that up. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Oh, and FYI, there are still hundreds of thousands of people playing CS at any given moment nearly 10 years later. Gamespy is currently tracking well over 110,000 players right now, and their statistics are anything but complete. CS is still the biggest FPS ever, especially when you consider player minutes (total play time) in addition to the number of people actually playing the game. It's a shame that Valve took down the more detailed statistics for CS from the Steam stat's page, because it made it an easier point to prove.
And uh, yeah.. BF MC/BC aren't simplified versions of BF2.. right. I wrote pretty detailed impressions outlining just how back to basics Bad Company is, so I don't care to go through this again.. but that's hardly a matter of opinion.
Facts, lol. If I'm a PC fanboy, than you're a hater and your FUD is no more compelling than mine.
Commented on 2008-04-11 23:26:01 In reply to GriftGFX
Posted by GriftGFX
Right--I'm the one making things up here--even though you're using equally anecdotal evidence to suggest that there are actually more people playing TF2 on the 360 than there are the PC, without even a single statistic to back that up. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Oh, and FYI, there are still hundreds of thousands of people playing CS at any given moment nearly 10 years later. Gamespy is currently tracking well over 110,000 players right now, and their statistics are anything but complete. CS is still the biggest FPS ever, especially when you consider player minutes (total play time) in addition to the number of people actually playing the game. It's a shame that Valve took down the more detailed statistics for CS from the Steam stat's page, because it made it an easier point to prove.
And uh, yeah.. BF MC/BC aren't simplified versions of BF2.. right. I wrote pretty detailed impressions outlining just how back to basics Bad Company is, so I don't care to go through this again.. but that's hardly a matter of opinion.
Facts, lol. If I'm a PC fanboy, than you're a hater and your FUD is no more compelling than mine.
You know, it's really not worth it, you can have your opinions, I have mine, there's no point in going any further, suffice it to say that TF2 on 360 still has players and this game may sell great or really poorly. I can't argue against someone who misconstrues what I say.
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Commented on 2008-04-11 11:14:14It is a pretty fun game, but it might just get lost in the huge amount of good fps games for the 360.
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Commented on 2008-04-11 11:46:43We don't need an magic 8-Ball to guess what vers. will be better, in all fronts.
Commented on 2008-04-11 13:08:38 In reply to mt_sabaoThanks for nothing!
I actually think that ETQW is a pretty competent game, certainly more so than some might suggest, but I don't see this going over well on either console platform.
It does seem like a bit of a waste of time and resources.. and the ports are bound to function about as well as they look. ETQW was designed as a PC game from the ground up and I have a feeling that will show, unless they put some serious effort into giving it some game pad lovin.
Commented on 2008-04-11 13:11:20
Commented on 2008-04-11 16:37:46 In reply to JediMasterMalik
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Commented on 2008-04-11 18:03:45 In reply to GriftGFXThe game doesn't handle massive environments well because the overall graphics fidelity is very low, which is my point. It's not that a mid-range PC can run the game at a high FPS but rather that the game always looks ugly.
The TF2 community is nowhere near dead on 360, and that sounds like PC fanboy drivel (because it's the constant BS I hear from real PC fanboys). Refresh the servers a few times, there are thousands playing TF2 on 360...
Commented on 2008-04-11 18:13:59 In reply to Jigen
Commented on 2008-04-11 18:23:33 In reply to citizenx
Commented on 2008-04-11 18:26:45 In reply to Jigen
Commented on 2008-04-11 19:29:23 In reply to Xerx3s
Commented on 2008-04-11 20:08:06 In reply to citizenxIt has nothing at all to do with the population of the game. I just played on 3 different servers this morning because this thread made me think of it. The problem with people thinking the 360 version doesn't have many people playing is 100% due to the wonky refresh system. At one point I did 3 refreshes that said there were no servers, when moments before and later there were hundreds of people playing on many servers. The server list also never shows full servers, there's no way to see those at all. So basically the 360 version has nearly as many people playing as the PC version, if not more. BTW, 2 of the servers were completely lag free with 16 people and the games were quite fun, the 2nd server I joined regularly dropped people for some reason, so as soon as I was dropped I found another server.
Commented on 2008-04-11 21:58:46My point is simply this: The easier an FPS's learning curve (note: this doesn't necessarily make a game better or worse) the more likely it is to have a healthy community on the PS360. There's a reason that DICE is delivering a boiled down to basics version of Battlefield on consoles, and it's because they want to compete with the big guys.
And despite what you may force yourself to think, this game does look much better than this on the PC, and the engine does handle the environments very well. It's a much better looking game than say, 2142, with maps that are at least as large and an engine that is far more stable. Considering it's not exactly a new release, it's visuals are very competent and it looks much better than you're suggesting, with detailed interior and exterior environments in the same massive level.. and it scales extremely well too.. it would run @ 30+ fps with the level of fidelity shown here on fairly old hardware.
But I know that suggesting that any game looks better, or has a better community on the PC seems to get your panties in a bunch, so believe whatever you want. The PC sucks, comfy couches rule, etc etc.
Commented on 2008-04-11 22:27:07 In reply to GriftGFXMy point is simply this: The easier an FPS's learning curve (note: this doesn't necessarily make a game better or worse) the more likely it is to have a healthy community on the PS360. There's a reason that DICE is delivering a boiled down to basics version of Battlefield on consoles, and it's because they want to compete with the big guys.
And despite what you may force yourself to think, this game does look much better than this on the PC, and the engine does handle the environments very well. It's a much better looking game than say, 2142, with maps that are at least as large and an engine that is far more stable. Considering it's not exactly a new release, it's visuals are very competent and it looks much better than you're suggesting, with detailed interior and exterior environments in the same massive level.. and it scales extremely well too.. it would run @ 30+ fps with the level of fidelity shown here on fairly old hardware.
But I know that suggesting that any game looks better, or has a better community on the PC seems to get your panties in a bunch, so believe whatever you want. The PC sucks, comfy couches rule, etc etc.
It's your OPINION that the PC version is better, I have both the PC version and Orange Box on 360, I play the 360 version of TF2 far more, if you want a screenshot of my Steam I can provide it, but I don't even have TF2 installed on my PC right now. I agree it can't even come close to COD4 or Halo 3 at the very least on Live, those are easily the biggest played MP games ever, hundreds of thousands of players ALWAYS, they're bigger than CounterStrike was on its best day on PC. That's beside the point though.
There's a lot of games that do far worse online that TF2 on 360, that's my point. Chromehounds, while a great game, will only have a dozen or so playing at a time, Call of Juarez has very little too, those are the Quake 3's of 360 Live.
I don't disagree that Quake Wars won't ever approach the top tier 360 games, but these games tend to sell really well even if they're shit. Turok is my example. I don't agree with your statement about the BF games though. They haven't actually reduced the complexity of BFBC or BF2MC much at all, or at all, however they did make the games more clunky, when capturing the smooth play of BF2 (which is more akin to COD4) would have been more optimal than all of the above.
Well I admit I never played Quake Wars. All I did was see videos and shots, and the game has never impressed me. Once again, you might get 60fps on the large maps on a decent computer, and that's why you say 'handle well', however I argue that 'handling well' is more than just having mediocre graphics. 2142 was the same engine as BF2 right? It doesn't mean much that QW looks better than that game.
This game isn't even out on consoles and you're suggesting that the community will never exist, you're saying complete FUD about TF2 on 360. Of course I'm going to correct the BS you're spouting. No reason to get defensive and bring up strawman arguments like 'comfy couches'. If you're going to be the vanguard for PC gaming on these forums at least back up your arguments with facts instead of making up shit and attacking people for pointing out the truth.
Commented on 2008-04-11 23:09:59Oh, and FYI, there are still hundreds of thousands of people playing CS at any given moment nearly 10 years later. Gamespy is currently tracking well over 110,000 players right now, and their statistics are anything but complete. CS is still the biggest FPS ever, especially when you consider player minutes (total play time) in addition to the number of people actually playing the game. It's a shame that Valve took down the more detailed statistics for CS from the Steam stat's page, because it made it an easier point to prove.
And uh, yeah.. BF MC/BC aren't simplified versions of BF2.. right. I wrote pretty detailed impressions outlining just how back to basics Bad Company is, so I don't care to go through this again.. but that's hardly a matter of opinion.
Facts, lol. If I'm a PC fanboy, than you're a hater and your FUD is no more compelling than mine.
Commented on 2008-04-11 23:26:01 In reply to GriftGFXOh, and FYI, there are still hundreds of thousands of people playing CS at any given moment nearly 10 years later. Gamespy is currently tracking well over 110,000 players right now, and their statistics are anything but complete. CS is still the biggest FPS ever, especially when you consider player minutes (total play time) in addition to the number of people actually playing the game. It's a shame that Valve took down the more detailed statistics for CS from the Steam stat's page, because it made it an easier point to prove.
And uh, yeah.. BF MC/BC aren't simplified versions of BF2.. right. I wrote pretty detailed impressions outlining just how back to basics Bad Company is, so I don't care to go through this again.. but that's hardly a matter of opinion.
Facts, lol. If I'm a PC fanboy, than you're a hater and your FUD is no more compelling than mine.
Here's another site with incomplete statistics for PC games, I like the graphs here. http://www.onlinegamingzeitgeist.com/games/
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