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Commented on 2008-04-12 15:33:07 In reply to KORNdog
Posted by KORNdog
why would an online mode mean split screen is achievable? you realise online mode only renders the same as what goes on in single player. and in most cases considerably less since AI etc isnt active and maps are usually smaller. split screen effectively DOUBLES (or in some cases quadruples) what the system has to do, and for a game like GTA which is doing so much already in terms of the euphoria engine and the scale of the world, it would just be close to impossible. its the reason its been scrapped in prototype, the reason it wasnt in crackdown and the reason a game like fable forces you onto the same screen.
i agree with the fact there should be more split screen games, but im never going to expect it from a game like GTA. i mean, have you played rainbow six vegas in split screen, the game looks terrible. i cant imagine the drop in quality if GTA was to do it.
I'd completely agree. If it weren't for the fact Saints Row 2 has split screen co-op.
I've just been through all the trailers again, and i know this sounds like a total geek statment but...
I must say I'm very excited about this one!
The Graphics really look amazing IMO, you have to consider the size of this game! and even then.. its still amazing!
I preordered, getting it 28-4 at midnight!
oh and about the complains... well see what happens when the game is released, I kinda have the feeling GTA4 will be a benchmark game.
Split-screen can be a show stopping problem for a poor streaming engine that has to pause to load assets or one that has poor lod and mip handling for textures and objects.
Depending on how far off the players would be wandering from eachother you'd also have physical access time problems from optical media unless you could cache to a HDD (texture, geometry, audio and other assets being accessed, loaded and offloaded from RAM constantly to feed each players needs). Chaka-chaka-chaka-GOOONK-chaka-chaka.
Rockstar cant build their platform on a HDD as standard to guarantee optimal commercial success (blame the Core/Arcade).
An engine like UE3 would have no problems doing a huge, sandbox like map in splitscreen if say the entire city would recycle the same texture-set over its entire span. Or if you had islands like GTA has, you could limit the players to one island at a time and the other player would warp to the new area when required (ala Halo).
Crackdown didnt have splitscreen, in my analysis, because the renderware engine isnt good at streaming, lod or mip handling (evident in the stalling, pausing and chugging when accessing new areas of the map). You'd have a super-low resolution mess of two players doubling the streaming load, causing constant jutter.
Then again Saints Row and GTA3/VC/SA PS2 got away with the same faults 100% of the time so I suppose a chugging splitscreen could well be tolerated by players. Which makes me wonder if the single player of GTAIV indeed runs SO POORLY that it simply cannot afford to be reduced further.
We'll wait and see. GTA was never known for its silky smooth technical performance (bar the rarely seen xbox versions which ran quite excellently).
As for SR2's splitscreen co-op. Let's see it before we believe it eh?
Commented on 2008-04-14 08:42:02 In reply to Haig07
Posted by Haig07
Yes, because we all play in 640x360 =)
Don't act a fool ... if you grab a pic of a 640x360 movie and resize it to 1280x720, what result can you expect??? ;) Think about it, maybe you can point it out ...
Commented on 2008-04-14 17:18:53 In reply to n385055
Posted by n385055
Don't act a fool ... if you grab a pic of a 640x360 movie and resize it to 1280x720, what result can you expect??? ;) Think about it, maybe you can point it out ...
I'm not acting a fool, you are. Those screenshots aren't from the videos, they're proper screenshots originally taken in 1280x720.
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Commented on 2008-04-12 15:33:07 In reply to KORNdogi agree with the fact there should be more split screen games, but im never going to expect it from a game like GTA. i mean, have you played rainbow six vegas in split screen, the game looks terrible. i cant imagine the drop in quality if GTA was to do it.
Commented on 2008-04-12 16:50:50
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Commented on 2008-04-12 19:03:59I WANT IT NOWZ!
Commented on 2008-04-12 20:01:10 In reply to YingYangDragon
Commented on 2008-04-12 20:12:50I must say I'm very excited about this one!
The Graphics really look amazing IMO, you have to consider the size of this game! and even then.. its still amazing!
I preordered, getting it 28-4 at midnight!
oh and about the complains... well see what happens when the game is released, I kinda have the feeling GTA4 will be a benchmark game.
Commented on 2008-04-12 22:45:32
Commented on 2008-04-13 00:40:51Depending on how far off the players would be wandering from eachother you'd also have physical access time problems from optical media unless you could cache to a HDD (texture, geometry, audio and other assets being accessed, loaded and offloaded from RAM constantly to feed each players needs). Chaka-chaka-chaka-GOOONK-chaka-chaka.
Rockstar cant build their platform on a HDD as standard to guarantee optimal commercial success (blame the Core/Arcade).
An engine like UE3 would have no problems doing a huge, sandbox like map in splitscreen if say the entire city would recycle the same texture-set over its entire span. Or if you had islands like GTA has, you could limit the players to one island at a time and the other player would warp to the new area when required (ala Halo).
Crackdown didnt have splitscreen, in my analysis, because the renderware engine isnt good at streaming, lod or mip handling (evident in the stalling, pausing and chugging when accessing new areas of the map). You'd have a super-low resolution mess of two players doubling the streaming load, causing constant jutter.
Then again Saints Row and GTA3/VC/SA PS2 got away with the same faults 100% of the time so I suppose a chugging splitscreen could well be tolerated by players. Which makes me wonder if the single player of GTAIV indeed runs SO POORLY that it simply cannot afford to be reduced further.
We'll wait and see. GTA was never known for its silky smooth technical performance (bar the rarely seen xbox versions which ran quite excellently).
As for SR2's splitscreen co-op. Let's see it before we believe it eh?
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Commented on 2008-04-13 21:45:31 In reply to Haig07
Commented on 2008-04-14 08:42:02 In reply to Haig07
Commented on 2008-04-14 14:27:10edit: scans probably aren't allowed. Deleted. Suffice to say, OXM gave it 10/10
Commented on 2008-04-14 17:18:53 In reply to n385055