Tech demo of euphoria

Commented on 2008-04-25 20:58:11 In reply to elitemannen

Posted by elitemannen

I got that clip when he falls after killing nico... I saved it to my harddrive. But i edited the movie, with music and slowmotion effect. Ive uploaded it if you want the link? Dont ban me if im not supposed to do this.

http://www.nowupload.com/:V62

Got to love W.A.S.P :)...

dude, your vid doesn´t play.

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Ronsauce

Commented on 2008-04-25 21:03:12

On the right somewhere there's a link to download it.

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LEBATO

Commented on 2008-04-25 21:14:01

Wow that video was awesome, this tech demo truly translates perfectly into a game unlike 99.9999% of the tech demos.

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mt_sabao

Commented on 2008-04-25 21:17:08 In reply to Ronsauce

Posted by Ronsauce

On the right somewhere there's a link to download it.

i got it, thanks! and yeah, truly impressive.

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Viginti_Tres

Commented on 2008-04-25 21:34:31 In reply to Ronsauce

Posted by Ronsauce

I consider this to be graphics related. How someone falls after getting shot has no bearing on gameplay, but it LOOKS better/more realistic.

For me graphics are all about visual appeal. Something that can be captured in a picture (that's why a lot of people refer to "photorealistic" graphics, animation for me is not related to graphics). However that doesn't matter as all I want to expess is that not everything in the game industry has to take the Cry Engine approach and create photorealistic graphics. There are a lot of other things to improove on and animation is maybe one of the most important.

It can however also influence gameplay. If you ever played a football game (and I mean the REAL european football :P) you'll notice that a tackle in the game looks quite a bit off: whenever a tackle is successful or not is a mystery to me, one player can tackle the air and the player running 2-3 meters near him falls to the ground. With the engine they can do a much more realistic approach to tackling. Also injuries can be simulated and players who stand up after the tackling and go on playing.

Also ever played Assasins Creed? Imo they've done a very good job with the crowd interaction. When you run into one you can be thrown back or loose ballance, it was just not very realistic. However it'd be sooo much better with the euphoria engine doing the job instead of the preredered motions. Then there wouldn't be the "IF you run into him DO" that options which are 100% predictable but sometimes frustrating. So in the end if he runs into another person there is a chance of him getting knocked to the ground depending on MANY factors, even on which foot set on the ground etc...

Thus it can alter the gameplay. Same with swords. Depending where he's hit he could react diffrently.

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[quote=Ronsauce]

I consider this to be graphics related.  How someone falls after getting shot has no bearing on gameplay, but it LOOKS better/more realistic.[/quote]

For me graphics are all about visual appeal. Something that can be captured in a picture (that's why a lot of people refer to "photorealistic" graphics, animation for me is not related to graphics). However that doesn't matter as all I want to expess is that not everything in the game industry has to take the Cry Engine approach and create photorealistic graphics. There are a lot of other things to improove on and animation is maybe one of the most important.

It can however also influence gameplay. If you ever played a football game (and I mean the REAL european football :P) you'll notice that a tackle in the game looks quite a bit off: whenever a tackle is successful or not is a mystery to me, one player can tackle the air and the player running 2-3 meters near him falls to the ground. With the engine they can do a much more realistic approach to tackling. Also injuries can be simulated and players who stand up after the tackling and go on playing.

Also ever played Assasins Creed? Imo they've done a very good job with the crowd interaction. When you run into one you can be thrown back or loose ballance, it was just not very realistic. However it'd be sooo much better with the euphoria engine doing the job instead of the preredered motions. Then there wouldn't be the "IF you run into him DO" that options which are 100% predictable but sometimes frustrating. So in the end if he runs into another person there is a chance of him getting knocked to the ground depending on MANY factors, even on which foot set on the ground etc...

Thus it can alter the gameplay. Same with swords. Depending where he's hit he could react diffrently.

jioann00

Commented on 2008-04-25 22:12:21

is the video suppost to not have sound?

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Baleur

Commented on 2008-04-25 22:33:50 In reply to Ronsauce

Posted by Ronsauce

Just watched it, and the ONLY thing gameplay-wise that looked like it was affected by euphoria was the guy getting his legs tangled in the other guy's legs. The fall down the rock face looked fantastic... but that's not a gameplay issue.

Yes it is. In a previous GTA game he would have smashed down on that first rock, taken a per-set ammount of damage, and then the animation to stand up would play..
Here, due to the euphoria system and his angle of decent relative to the angle of the rock, made him roll down to yet another bunch of rocks, resulting in more damage to his body..
I'd say thats a pretty big gameplay altering event.

And in that other leg-tripping example, if that guy tripped on someone, and fell to the ground.. He can no longer fire his weapon or chase someone or attack or even defend himself. I'd say thats a pretty big gameplay altering event.

Or when the guys get their hands stuck in the car doors, then they cant run away, they cant shoot at the car, they cant call the cops, they can only hang on until they drop.
I'd say thats a pretty big gameplay altering event.

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[quote=Ronsauce]
Just watched it, and the ONLY thing gameplay-wise that looked like it was affected by euphoria was the guy getting his legs tangled in the other guy's legs.  The fall down the rock face looked fantastic...  but that's not a gameplay issue.
[/quote]

Yes it is. In a previous GTA game he would have smashed down on that first rock, taken a per-set ammount of damage, and then the animation to stand up would play..
Here, due to the euphoria system and his angle of decent relative to the angle of the rock, made him roll down to yet another bunch of rocks, resulting in more damage to his body..
I'd say thats a pretty big gameplay altering event.

And in that other leg-tripping example, if that guy tripped on someone, and fell to the ground.. He can no longer fire his weapon or chase someone or attack or even defend himself. I'd say thats a pretty big gameplay altering event.

Or when the guys get their hands stuck in the car doors, then they cant run away, they cant shoot at the car, they cant call the cops, they can only hang on until they drop.
I'd say thats a pretty big gameplay altering event.

Ronsauce

Commented on 2008-04-25 23:08:14 In reply to Viginti_Tres

Posted by Viginti_Tres

It can however also influence gameplay. If you ever played a football game (and I mean the REAL european football :P) you'll notice that a tackle in the game looks quite a bit off: whenever a tackle is successful or not is a mystery to me, one player can tackle the air and the player running 2-3 meters near him falls to the ground. With the engine they can do a much more realistic approach to tackling. Also injuries can be simulated and players who stand up after the tackling and go on playing.

I don't play soccer games, so I can't really comment on that. Injuries can be simulated with or without euphoria.

Also ever played Assasins Creed? Imo they've done a very good job with the crowd interaction. When you run into one you can be thrown back or loose ballance, it was just not very realistic. However it'd be sooo much better with the euphoria engine doing the job instead of the preredered motions. Then there wouldn't be the "IF you run into him DO" that options which are 100% predictable but sometimes frustrating. So in the end if he runs into another person there is a chance of him getting knocked to the ground depending on MANY factors, even on which foot set on the ground etc...

K, that makes sense. I hadn't really thought about crowd interactions.

Thus it can alter the gameplay. Same with swords. Depending where he's hit he could react diffrently.

Euphoria's not necessarily needed for this.

Posted by Baleur

Yes it is. In a previous GTA game he would have smashed down on that first rock, taken a per-set ammount of damage, and then the animation to stand up would play..
Here, due to the euphoria system and his angle of decent relative to the angle of the rock, made him roll down to yet another bunch of rocks, resulting in more damage to his body..
I'd say thats a pretty big gameplay altering event.

I wouldn't. Plenty of games change the amount of damage you receive based on the angle of the surface you're falling on. GTA IV's falls just look better.

And in that other leg-tripping example, if that guy tripped on someone, and fell to the ground.. He can no longer fire his weapon or chase someone or attack or even defend himself. I'd say thats a pretty big gameplay altering event.

I already mentioned this.

Or when the guys get their hands stuck in the car doors, then they cant run away, they cant shoot at the car, they cant call the cops, they can only hang on until they drop.
I'd say thats a pretty big gameplay altering event.

Again, euphoria makes this look good, but it's not actually needed to make someone's hand get stuck in a door.

Posted by Viginti_Tres

For me graphics are all about visual appeal. Something that can be captured in a picture (that's why a lot of people refer to "photorealistic" graphics, animation for me is not related to graphics). However that doesn't matter as all I want to expess is that not everything in the game industry has to take the Cry Engine approach and create photorealistic graphics. There are a lot of other things to improove on and animation is maybe one of the most important.

Things that can't necessarily be captured in a picture pertain to graphics though. Certain textures and surfaces often look MUCH better in video than in a picture. I do see what you're saying though, and I agree that euphoria is fresh direction to be heading.

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[quote=Viginti_Tres]It can however also influence gameplay. If you ever played a football game (and I mean the REAL european football :P) you'll notice that a tackle in the game looks quite a bit off: whenever a tackle is successful or not is a mystery to me, one player can tackle the air and the player running 2-3 meters near him falls to the ground. With the engine they can do a much more realistic approach to tackling. Also injuries can be simulated and players who stand up after the tackling and go on playing.[/quote]

I don't play soccer games, so I can't really comment on that.  Injuries can be simulated with or without euphoria.

[quote]Also ever played Assasins Creed? Imo they've done a very good job with the crowd interaction. When you run into one you can be thrown back or loose ballance, it was just not very realistic. However it'd be sooo much better with the euphoria engine doing the job instead of the preredered motions. Then there wouldn't be the "IF you run into him DO" that options which are 100% predictable but sometimes frustrating. So in the end if he runs into another person there is a chance of him getting knocked to the ground depending on MANY factors, even on which foot set on the ground etc...[/quote]

K, that makes sense.  I hadn't really thought about crowd interactions.

[quote]Thus it can alter the gameplay. Same with swords. Depending where he's hit he could react diffrently.[/quote]

Euphoria's not necessarily needed for this.

[quote=Baleur]Yes it is. In a previous GTA game he would have smashed down on that first rock, taken a per-set ammount of damage, and then the animation to stand up would play..
Here, due to the euphoria system and his angle of decent relative to the angle of the rock, made him roll down to yet another bunch of rocks, resulting in more damage to his body..
I'd say thats a pretty big gameplay altering event.[/quote]

I wouldn't.  Plenty of games change the amount of damage you receive based on the angle of the surface you're falling on.  GTA IV's falls just look better.

[quote]And in that other leg-tripping example, if that guy tripped on someone, and fell to the ground.. He can no longer fire his weapon or chase someone or attack or even defend himself. I'd say thats a pretty big gameplay altering event.[/quote]

I already mentioned this.

[quote]Or when the guys get their hands stuck in the car doors, then they cant run away, they cant shoot at the car, they cant call the cops, they can only hang on until they drop.
I'd say thats a pretty big gameplay altering event.[/quote]

Again, euphoria makes this look good, but it's not actually needed to make someone's hand get stuck in a door.

[quote=Viginti_Tres]For me graphics are all about visual appeal. Something that can be captured in a picture (that's why a lot of people refer to "photorealistic" graphics, animation for me is not related to graphics). However that doesn't matter as all I want to expess is that not everything in the game industry has to take the Cry Engine approach and create photorealistic graphics. There are a lot of other things to improove on and animation is maybe one of the most important.[/quote]

Things that can't necessarily be captured in a picture pertain to graphics though.  Certain textures and surfaces often look MUCH better in video than in a picture.  I do see what you're saying though, and I agree that euphoria is fresh direction to be heading.

elitemannen

Commented on 2008-04-25 23:34:15 In reply to jioann00

It should be sound...Ive got a video when nico is drunk too...way drunk. If anyone wants to see it ?

Ohh...I get my copy on tuesday... =) i cant wait.

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mustacio

Commented on 2008-04-26 00:10:09 In reply to elitemannen

Posted by elitemannen

It should be sound...Ive got a video when nico is drunk too...way drunk. If anyone wants to see it ?

Ohh...I get my copy on tuesday... =) i cant wait.

i would love to see that. i been searching for gameplay of him drunk. all the videos i seen tend to not do anything fun.

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elitemannen

Commented on 2008-04-26 00:39:17

http://www.upitus.com/download.php?file=488e97e7

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Viginti_Tres

Commented on 2008-04-26 01:08:42 In reply to Ronsauce

Posted by Ronsauce

I don't play soccer games, so I can't really comment on that. Injuries can be simulated with or without euphoria.

It's very hard to do that. Again accounting for all the possibilitys is quite difficult and not possible yet. The engine makes it alot easier to implent these features because the engineers don't have to account for every possibility seperately. The work increases linear to the amount of possible injuries. That's way too much work to do. With the engine in place the engineers do the work a single time and don't have to worry about the rest.

And laughed IRL when I saw that drunken Nico vid. That's almost like me when I'm extremly drunk.

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elitemannen

Commented on 2008-04-26 01:16:24 In reply to Viginti_Tres

Yeah its funny :)... Imagine when you play online with some friends in free-roam and everybody is that drunk :)...In the middle of the day he he ^^.

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mt_sabao

Commented on 2008-04-26 01:18:54 In reply to elitemannen

Posted by elitemannen

It should be sound...Ive got a video when nico is drunk too...way drunk. If anyone wants to see it ?

Ohh...I get my copy on tuesday... =) i cant wait.

dude, just saw it...man, this game is just waaaaaay over the line, too good to be true

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mustacio

Commented on 2008-04-26 02:51:22 In reply to elitemannen

Posted by elitemannen

http://www.upitus.com/download.php?file=488e97e7

lol that was great. thanks for showing

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Contra

Commented on 2008-04-26 02:53:30

Looks amazing. Now if they could combine how realistic objects move in the source engine and how realistic people move in euphoria, and we could be headed somewhere amazing in the future.

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indigo0086

Commented on 2008-04-26 04:10:24

If you look at IGN's video review you can see the npc characters react using the same physical rules as you. It's actually really cool. one thing that is missing from many games is not only realistic "deaths" but the time before and after that makes it much mroe immersive.

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prodygee

Commented on 2008-04-26 10:14:45

That's the hot thing. Sense of self-preservation. They try to keep their heads protected from surfaces they're about to hit. But if they'd animate a character with only this, you'd need a huge CPU or whatever that's needed to do the maths.

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OpiZA

Commented on 2008-04-26 13:37:11

Really exciting tech!

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Blue_Eagle44

Commented on 2008-04-26 13:55:20

I was looking forward to GTA4, not really hyped, but this vid, although purely to advertise the engine has now made me hyped up for the game, can't wait to see the interactions from all the peds and other characters as well as niko

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walter

Commented on 2008-04-26 15:12:42

This looks really cool... Im gonna tell you guys a story it's about my xbox360..

Once upon a time I bought Army of Two and after trying it for ten minutes my xbox got red lights.. shipping it for repairs I got it back after 8 days and was eager to play some CoD 4 online 20 minutes later it's broken.. shipping it back again and praying to the Xbox360 GOD that it will be fixed I get it back again... Now this time it coudln't play discs.... any disc what so ever..yesterday that's friday I shipped it back again.. and since GTAIV is due this tuesday im hoping that it'll be fixed... how many want to bet that it wont?

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karaokequeen3

Commented on 2008-04-26 17:13:09

It's a great tech - so good in fact, that it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it gets swallowed up by a publisher, like EA, as they did with Renderware.

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ZombieBub

Commented on 2008-04-26 18:10:09

duplicate post. sorry!

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ZombieBub

Commented on 2008-04-26 18:14:58

Played GTA IV over a friend's house and I gotta say that the euphoria engine is absolutley INCREDIBLE. Hands down best thing about the game. It lends a sense of realism that is incredibly immersive and you never stop seeing new things that make you say wow! Every shoot out is different, the way they react to bullet hits and the environment. If I had to describe it the best way would be to think of the scene in BladeRunner when Harrison Ford shoots the replicant Zhora in the back and there's and explosion of blood, she reacts to being shot, stumbles, falls over, rolls, gets up again, keeps on going, is shot again and falls through a plate glass window. Absolutely amazing. Any game without this tech pales into comparison. If they have any sense at all Capcom will include it in Dead Rising 2 and I will never stop playing that game!

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