X360 Thursday, January 19, 2006 | 4:19 PM

Fight Night 3 X360 images

Fight Night 3 X360 images

EA also released these 19 images from the Xbox 360 version of Fight Night Round 3. Many of them are incredible, just look at the tenth screen!


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Commented on 2006-01-19 16:36:42
Hatton Looks as fiece as ever! glad to see he's in it! Infact i think the facial expression on Hatton is 100% spot on, im amazed how even the reactions in their faces are not just the same for every fighter but personalised for each one.

And Toney! i think they should of made him a lil bit more "pudgier"

other then that it looks awsome! not sure about the old taunt animations though, just pre-ordered my vers, cant wait to play the demo when my 360 arrive in a couple of days.
Commented on 2006-01-19 16:37:49
I can only weep in the presence of such screens. FN3 isn't on my wanted list (not my kind of genre), but it sure does give us a juicy taste of the near future Xbox 360 graphics... and it can only become better.
Commented on 2006-01-19 16:46:21
Those are the most realistic looking human beings I have ever seen in a game.
Commented on 2006-01-19 16:53:45
Hats off to the old chaps at EA, game looks splendid!

Some of the characters forearms are a bit dodgey though!

I hope it will be possible to lower the glare, seems kinda distracting.
Commented on 2006-01-19 16:54:45 In reply to Spiderling
Posted by Spiderling
Those are the most realistic looking human beings I have ever seen in a game.
Yeah I wonder why they can't do the same for Top Spin 2? I guess 2k Sports need new 3D artists? I mean...just look at Amped 3 and NHL2k6...looks so current gen.
Commented on 2006-01-19 16:57:06
The 360's graphics technology is capable of far far more. You guys are in for a major shock the 360 gpu has 24 more pixel pipelines than the ps3 and 40 more vertex pipelines.

ps3 has 24 pixel pipelines 8 vertex pipelines and the 360 has 48 pipelines dedicated to both vertex and pixel shaders. Pixel shaders are what determine how realistic something looks to us such as skin, textures, rocks, grass practically everything we see in games today. If we look at a game and go wow at how realistic the tires look or how great the metal looks its all pixel shaders. Vertex shaders help too, but in today's videocards they are always lesser in number because pixels usually take priority.

The fact that the 360 has 24 more pixel shaders is huge we've yet to see what the 360 is capable of. Give it a years time and some people will immediately empty their pockets to buy a 360 if they haven't already.

The 360 gpu is practically an ati r600 better than even ati's unreleased r580 product line. Impressive stuff man.

I was holding off on pre-order, but I'm going to check ebgames for a pre order this instant.
Commented on 2006-01-19 17:03:54
picture 10 is solid just amazing. the first 1 in row number 4 just amazing. if it looks like this when release its a buy for me %100. and plus the last picture in row number 3 thats number 9 just wow. 2 months to go. anyway it doen,t matter how it looks when release im getting it. if this is how it looks imaging five years from now fight night 8 will be mind blowing.
Commented on 2006-01-19 17:21:05
Hate boxing but may just buy this for the silly grin it will put on my boat race. Texture quality is superb and lighting is top too, maybe alittle shiny but the 'sweat effect' is prob why. Give this console another 12 months and we will see this kind of thing as the standard quality. Bliss
Commented on 2006-01-19 17:26:07
Impressive.
Commented on 2006-01-19 17:45:31
One criticism though... HATTON can't beat up sugar ray!! :D
Commented on 2006-01-19 17:58:42 In reply to Spiderling
Posted by Spiderling
Those are the most realistic looking human beings I have ever seen.
corrected ;)

looks truly amazing!
Commented on 2006-01-19 18:11:01
Does anyone know if they are gonna feature Mike Tyson in this game? If so, will one of his moves be biting off the opponent's ear? just wondering..
Commented on 2006-01-19 18:24:37
Simply awesome. Not normally my genre, but the demo has me hooked. Pre-ordered in anticipation.
Commented on 2006-01-19 18:31:23
http://www.myxbox360.com/news/news/A_look_at_Yahoo...

Check out the yahoo searches for the month of december people really trying to get their hands on some 360s... the top of the search list all 360 and this is just one website the demand is great indeed for the 360 just goes to show alot of people are trying to get their hands on the thing. Microsoft need to hurry and get those extra 360s out because they have to sell at least 6 to 7 mill before the ps3 is out.
Commented on 2006-01-19 18:54:57 In reply to Optimusv2
Posted by Optimusv2
The 360's graphics technology is capable of far far more. You guys are in for a major shock the 360 gpu has 24 more pixel pipelines than the ps3 and 40 more vertex pipelines.
Grrr!

The Xbox 360 has 16 TMUs, 8 ROPs (tied to the eDRAM which is quad pumped), and 48 Shader ALUs in a 3 way array.

The G70, the appearant heir to the RSX, has 24 TMUs, 24 Fragment Pixel Shader units, and 16 ROPs. TOTALLY different designs. Further, the G70 Fragment shaders have 2 ALUs and each has a mini-ALU.

So you COULD say that the RSX has 48 Shader ALUs + 48 mini-ALUs!

But it don't necessarily work like that. Effeciency is a big issue. e.g. the mini-ALUs are not always used. And of course in a "traditional" DX9 design you run into a couple of issues:

1: PS:VS balance of the game. Some games are more VS heavy than others. This means certain games "waste" processing resources.

2: PS:VS balance changes scene to scene. Are you looking at a single big wall with a large normal map? That is a PS heavy scene and the VS shaders are wasted. Are you overlooking a valley with tons of trees with individual leaves? This is VS heavy.

3: PS:VS balance in the rendering pipeline shifts. Are you working on stencile shadows? Then you will spend a couple clocks doing nothing but VS work.

RSX and Xenos approach issues differently. RSX is a brute force design whereas Xenos is a more elegent design aimed at using all of the prcoessing resources as often as possible. On paper Xenos has an edge in many ways architecturally and is more effecient BUT RSX is no wimp AND it has a lot of power in there. You CANNOT just compare "pipelines" because NEITHER GPU HAS PIPELINES.

ps3 has 24 pixel pipelines 8 vertex pipelines and the 360 has 48 pipelines dedicated to both vertex and pixel shaders. Pixel shaders are what determine how realistic something looks to us such as skin, textures, rocks, grass practically everything we see in games today. If we look at a game and go wow at how realistic the tires look or how great the metal looks its all pixel shaders. Vertex shaders help too, but in today's videocards they are always lesser in number because pixels usually take priority.
Chicken-or-Egg. Do games use more PS because the GPUs have more PS power? Is it because in the past there were memory constraints and a move toward Normal Maps?

We cannot expect PS:VS balance to remain the same forever. Further, many advanced effects are VS heavy.

The 360 gpu is practically an ati r600 better than even ati's unreleased r580 product line. Impressive stuff man.
Errr no. The R580 has 48 Pixel Shading ALUs @ 650MHz + VS.

Xenos has more features (eDRAM, FP10 blending, hardware tesselation, MEMEXPORT) and all of its VS have a texture lookup (meaning displacement mapping can be realistically used) BUT from a pure performance perspective the R580 has more brute force. It has just as many PS ALUs at a 30% faster clock and they will ALWAYS be used for PS. The Xbox 360 Shader ALUs have to do VS and PS work.

The 360 has some advantages (e.g. ROPs ties to the eDRAM for very cheap AA, more features) but if I had to choose I would take the R580. It has been said the R580 can beat the 7800GTX in SLI in some situations. Which is not surprising because the X1800XT with the newest drivers does very well in some modern games (FEAR, CoD2) compared to the 7800GTX. Heck, at 1600x1200 4xA 16xAF the X1800XT--with 16 fragment PS--beats the 7800GTX 512MB in BF2, FEAR, and ties in CoD2.

In some ways that does give us a peak at the 360 and RSX--but only slightly as the CPUs and Memory configurations make a difference. Obviously these tests don't tell us much about the advantage the 360 has in memory bandwidth (= eDRAM).

But if RSX is a 550MHz G70--which lines up with the E3 slides--then the 7800GTX 512MB = RSX.

For the fuzzy part: R520 has 16 Shader ALUs x 625MHz (10,000). Xenos, which is VERY similar in shader design to R520/R580, has 48 ALUs x 500MHz (24,000). If we consider a reasonable 25% average use for VS that comes to 18,000. From a shader perspective Xenos should be ~80% faster than the R520 in PS limited scenarios that fit the above scenario.

BUT these are all just numbers. REAL games use the features and design parameters and STRENGTHS of a design. e.g. 360 games will use some HOS and hardware tesselation and not worry about VS:PS ratios. PS3 games will leverage CELL for work and use shaders that make use of the miniALUs, etc.

The point being BOTH are great designs. Xenos is argueably a bit faster than R520, but R580 is basically Xenos for the PS with dedicated VS @ a 30% clock jump. R580 is probably a good 30-50% faster than Xenos... of course, as I mentioned, Xenos has more features.
Commented on 2006-01-19 18:58:06 In reply to Optimusv2
Acert93, I guess the difference is the CPU?

Cell vs 3PPC?

I don't really think there's a big difference in power for the each of GPU designs. As we all know from benchmarks, depending on the game/engine, there's a difference of 10-15fps in performance, while the graphic quality is not all that different? I mean they both still uses pixel shaders (hopefully both uses 3.0+), anti-aliasing, anisotropic filtering technology, etc. Nvidia and Ati has gone after each other for nearly a decade now, but at the end, each generation it just comes down to the driver? From a standpoint, I do believe the PS3 has a bit more graphic horsepower, but I doubt anybody will ever see the difference in graphic quality, unless they are biased.
Commented on 2006-01-19 19:04:13
Btw, something great in these pictures:

HDR + AA. It gives the game a "CGI" feel. Still not big on the animation realism or game balance BUT EA has done a killer job on this game. GREAT graphics, nice feel to it, playable, etc. Gloves, faces, sweat, bodies, shorts all look AAA+. Just a great game.

Really a shame in one way--to bad 360 devs did not have an extra 3 months with the final HW to make the launch titles look this good (well, a couple do look this good like PGR3).

With FNR3, GRAW, and Oblivion slated for the next couple months and DoA4 now out it looks like the 360 is getting a solid trickle of really good games. MS has done a good job in that respect. Nice launch + good flow of nice games to get people interested.
Commented on 2006-01-19 19:10:16
The likeness of the boxers is almost scary. These are by far the most organic looking models that I've ever seen in real-time. For the past couple of days, I've found myself constantly marveling at the Fight Night Round3 screenshots. I always knew that the 360 was capable of state of the art rendering but the texturing has exceeded my expectations. Now the bar has been raised once again and I can only hope that quality like this will keep coming.
Commented on 2006-01-19 19:21:38 In reply to Nossy
Posted by Nossy
Yeah I wonder why they can't do the same for Top Spin 2? I guess 2k Sports need new 3D artists? I mean...just look at Amped 3 and NHL2k6...looks so current gen.
to be honest you can play a tennis game in any view that needs that amount of detail, why do all that work for just a cut scene?

the whole point of FN3 is that the expression tell you if they are tires, dazed etc so the detail is needeed

Also we are at a point where the graphical prowess of a game 2 months after the systems launch is more than good enough for me... i think ms have donr a great job of putting together a system with more than enough power for what we need in games for a reasonable price
Commented on 2006-01-19 19:22:49
will be nice to see how the custom boxers look!!!
Commented on 2006-01-19 19:24:09
Excellent posts Acert93, bring it on :)
Commented on 2006-01-19 19:59:24 In reply to miketuck3r
Posted by miketuck3r
to be honest you can play a tennis game in any view that needs that amount of detail, why do all that work for just a cut scene?

the whole point of FN3 is that the expression tell you if they are tires, dazed etc so the detail is needeed

Also we are at a point where the graphical prowess of a game 2 months after the systems launch is more than good enough for me... i think ms have donr a great job of putting together a system with more than enough power for what we need in games for a reasonable price
Still, I would like to see if my tennis player is tired out. Sweats, wet clothes, and etc. Models that doesn't look like they are cartoony. From a distance it looks like you're still playing the Xbox version. Why do all the work to make a new game when you can just play the current gen version with some upgrades? To make more money of course...
Commented on 2006-01-19 20:00:59
does anyone know wat boxers are gonna be in the game?
i mean apart from the ones in all the pics lol
Commented on 2006-01-19 20:01:27
those pics are f"ing amazing!....i cant wait 4 this game

thanks for the pics blim...

by the way any chance of some direct feed BF 2 MC for the 360...another game which will be savage
Commented on 2006-01-19 20:26:19
Holy crap acert you are good my friend :) Very nice post, but one thing I didn't quite understand the rsx doesn't it have the same core clock (550), same number of pixel and vertex pipelines (24 and 8) and perform the same number of shader ops per second (136) as the 7800GTX512MB version? It has all the same makings of the 7800GTX512MB version, but doesn't have the 512MB of video its instead stuck with 256MB.

Ahhhhh I checked again and yea we both agree that the rsx is a 7800GTX 512MB

Still rumor has it nvidia might be cranking that core clock up to 675-700 come release. You are right about the r580 going to have more raw power though. Plus its a given the thing will run at a much faster core clock than the xenos.

You know a good site for r580 info because I'm obviously not as familiar with the r580 as I thought I was. Very nice breakdown.... I read through it carefully and you definetly know what you are talking about. It isn't often you see people that know exactly what they are talking about regarding this stuff.

Also made the mistake of referring to the alus as pipelines.
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