X360 Wednesday, March 26, 2008 | 12:29 PM

Images of Supreme Commander

Images of Supreme Commander

505 Games has announced that they will bring the Xbox 360 port of Supreme Commander to Europe "later this year", and here are a couple of images from it. Some of you might think the graphics is really bad, but keep in mind that this game is seriously, srsly, huge scaled. We're talking so big that the latest PC processors barely could handle it. The game is planned to be released in May in the US, and hopefully soon after here.


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Commented on 2008-03-26 12:51:27
This game is so intense and it did naughty things to my PC. Not sure how the transition to the 360 will turn out, but if anything we'll see the full capabilities of the 360's "whatever-you-need-in-order-to-run-this-thing-smoothly" specs.
Commented on 2008-03-26 14:03:30
This is awesome game! This is the ultimate strategy game. Worthy successor to Total Annihilation. There is so much action in this game that it's unbelievable... Thousands of units and probably the biggest maps in any game. Graphics are good enough for this kind of game and mostly you look units far above. Also this game has one of the best queue features. It's really easy to build massive bases by just holding shift key :) Btw it's just too much fun to launch many nukes at the same time :D I hope console version is good too. if there is demo I am going to test it, I have to see how controlling is done.
Commented on 2008-03-26 14:20:11
very ugly, but the framerate seems to hold up in the videos released so far, which is impressive, since this game does battles on such an epic scale as seen in pic 13, and you can scroll in and out of that tactical view all in realtime, and all reasonably fluidly
Commented on 2008-03-26 15:49:28
lol of course the game wont look killer, its got like 10000 units lol and massive scale...

theirs only one bigger strategy game that trumps supreme commander (im talking galaxy sized and hell even the smallest battle i did waqs 4 hours of gameplay... thats why i erased it it was eating my entire life) ... sins of the solar empire wonder if theirs a 360 version of that coming as it seems the 360 is becoming the defacto Rts console now so now its got wicked FPS and RTS, and starting to game the RPG's as well ... yay!
Commented on 2008-03-26 15:53:32
Hey. Been a long time reader of this site. Just now decided to register.

Am I the only one who thinks that the game looks a bit downgraded compared to the pc version? Not complaining, even at low settings this game brought my pc down to a powerpoint presentation, well almost. :P

I'm just abit sceptic about rts's in consoles. Althou my last console rts experience was with Red Alert which was in PS1 if I recall correctly.
Commented on 2008-03-26 16:50:18
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Commented on 2008-03-26 17:06:44
I think these shots are really good, looks equivalent to the PC version on decent settings now. Which is great, the recent videos have looked smooth too. I'm impressed how well this port is coming. The first shots DID have really poor graphics, but the game looks great now.

What DOES suck about these shots is HORRRIBLE HORRIBLE JPG compression! Holy crap! The filesize might be 150K, but these look like a 2MB PNG compressed down to 30K.

Supposedly they're taking out the largest maps from the PC version, but supposedly those couldn't even run well on any PC.

Hmm... I bet these shots were taken from a video now that I really look at them...
Commented on 2008-03-26 18:03:56 In reply to Jigen
Yes really horrible compression and a bit lower settings but I am not surprised by that. I used to play this on the lowest settings... anything over 1 AI or bigger maps and that was slide show. Still I enjoyed it and played it a lot :D It's that damn good game.

Yes I think they took the biggest maps out. 360 has 4 player max and PC version 8. So no more 81KM*81KM maps :p
Commented on 2008-03-26 21:33:07

- 18 levels and three campaigns.
Does this specifically mean 6 levels each campaign or 18 levels each campaign?

By the way this topic needs some boulet time badly
Commented on 2008-03-26 22:06:18
When you figure the amount of stuff this game throws around, then no wonder the graphics take a beating. It's kind of incredible they're attempting it at all...
Commented on 2008-03-26 22:56:59
I ask again. Why pick the console version of an RTS game? I cant think of a single reason, except that an HDTV has a larger screen than a computer monitor :)
Commented on 2008-03-26 23:16:43 In reply to Baleur
Posted by Baleur
I ask again. Why pick the console version of an RTS game? I cant think of a single reason, except that an HDTV has a larger screen than a computer monitor :)
Personally I hate PC gaming these days. I even tried the demo of supcom on my PC, it was playable, but I just can't enjoy playing games on a PC anymore. Lots of reasons, but you're asking. DRM, installing, viruses/security, online cheating, expensive to build a new PC, time consuming to put it together and get everything running, I have a CRT monitor for my PC that is going yellow/red and has burnin, but you can't really buy decent quality CRT montiors anymore, I have a newish HD CRT for my consoles which looks better and is much bigger (I hate LCDs).

Also I've found that just giving me the ability to config and tweak graphics settings drives me batty, I'll go back and forth trying to decide which settings are best, and I spent most of my time, when I was a 'PC gamer' optimizing every game (more time than actually playing games), the fact that PCs have nice web browsers, so I tend to browse forums rather than actually play games, on consoles the browsers suck so it's not hard to avoid such time sinks. Sound systems are poorly supported on PC, I have the Logitech Z-5500 speakers for my consoles, I had an X-Fi extreme music in my PC but it died, it never had digital optical out anyways.

Finally with slow paced games like MMOs and RPGs, I realize now I really need to play those things on a console. Mainly because mouse+KB control only really works when you're sitting upright and have flat surfaces, and I prefer to play games (especially long ones) while reclined. Most PC RPGs and MMOs won't work well with a gamepad. This game also has very long rounds, so gamepad is superior for me.

Now a good question might be, "Why pick PC for gaming at all?" Personally I can't see the appeal anymore. Maybe back when PC had great exclusive games, and WAY nicer graphics, and online play and patches... that's when I cared about PC gaming.

Sorry to be ranty, but you asked. ;)
Commented on 2008-03-27 01:55:09
I like how they've changed the perspective so you can actually see the units while playing the game now. Looking at dots move across the screen isn't particularly interesting, but when zoomed in you wouldn't be able to tell what was going on.
Commented on 2008-03-27 02:06:36 In reply to Jigen
Posted by Jigen
rant
Man, you really need an upgrade. Also, newegg and other online computer part shops sell very good CRT screens. You also need a reclining PC chair(yes they exist).

There are very few game genres I think should stay on PC, and one of the most important of those genres are RTS games. Unless the game is dumbed down for consoles, you will always feel a bit gimped using an controller when trying to take care of so many tasks at once while you're launching a massive scale attack. Controllers always tend to fail during moments where you need more control. Of course, I believe RTS games can be on consoles if you do them the right way. Examples include the Overlord and Pikmin games. Even though some would consider these "RTS-lite", they handle extremely well for the system that they are on, consoles.

By the way...

Maybe back when PC had great exclusive games, and WAY nicer graphics, and online play and patches... that's when I cared about PC gaming.
This stands true to this day. There is no game that looks better than Crysis on consoles at the moment. PC STILL has great exclusive games(the new Red Alert, Starcraft 2, and Spore) and online play and patches will always be better on the PC.
Commented on 2008-03-27 03:49:43
God... Those enviroments are terribly drab and empty...
Commented on 2008-03-27 03:57:35 In reply to Contra
Posted by Contra
This stands true to this day. There is no game that looks better than Crysis on consoles at the moment. PC STILL has great exclusive games(the new Red Alert, Starcraft 2, and Spore) and online play and patches will always be better on the PC.
Not to mention superior versions of several other games (a la COD4). PC gaming still rules, but if Jigen is sick of it, more power to him. We've heard the big comfy couch argument quite a few times.. and hey if you can't game in a big comfy desk chair than enjoy your consoles. There's no problem with that.

"Why pick PC for gaming at all?" is easy to answer though: because there are great gaming experiences to be had on the PC. If you want me to go in depth I certain can, but I really don't see the point when the guy obviously has a strict bias against gaming on PC's. "Why not?" is just as good of a question, considering that most of your complaints (cheaters, drivers, installing, viruses, etc) are pretty overstated, and they're really not a big deal if you know what you're doing. Add to that the increasing number of PS3 games that require an install, the failure rate of Xbox 360's, cheaters on Xbox Live, etc etc..

SupCom always seemed a little too oldschool for my RTS tastes. Doesn't this game feature dual monitor support on PC? That's one thing that I thought was pretty cool.. if not a little excessive.
Commented on 2008-03-27 06:29:44 In reply to Contra
Posted by Contra
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No, I don't need to upgrade. I have no interest in building a new PC right now. In fact my drive to do so is about as low as it's ever been. I'm a bit afraid to have a CRT shipped to me, but they really don't make great CRTs anymore. Usually a brand name is just a really obscur rebrand these days on CRTs.

RTS work on consoles just fine. You don't need to dumb down anything at all. As long as you have a good unit selection system, good control for aiming, and hot keys worked in (group up units) it'll work just fine.

The one genre that will never work on consoles (at least without extra accessories) is flight sims. Just too many buttons.

I've never had a controller fail on me, but I have actually had mouses die on me. Anyways a bad RTS player is going to mess up on a controller just as much as they would on mouse+KB. However we haven't had decent RTSs on consoles long enough for people to really get used to gamepad control of RTS.

As far as PC graphics I was talking in generalities. The average PC game is now equal to the average console game. That's disregarding image quality, because that's more of a matter of how much you spend.

PC game graphics, other than Crysis, are usually anchored to integrated graphics, the average user's PC, or consoles these days. Used to be there were dozens of games that couldn't be done on consoles at all on PC (during SNES era there were games that had better than SuperFX chip graphics back in 1990! That's before SNES came out). Anyways, PC graphics have never been as 'far behind' as they are today.

Crysis is probably coming out on consoles, according to the latest scuttlebutt, Red Alert 3 is already announced for 360, Spore is also coming to Wii. Starcraft 2 is still PC only, but I didn't care for the first one...

"will always be better on the PC"
That is one of my pet peeves, nothing will 'always' anything. Either way, the current generation of consoles CAN get patches in case you haven't noticed, and I believe a cheat-free environment on consoles is superior to the cheat infested PC gaming world (not gonna post any sites, but I have some aimbot site links as examples).


As for the 'big comfy', did you guys even read what I wrote? I can't recline with a mouse+kb! If I tried to use a gamepad in a PC game online I'd never win! That's one reason I like the even footing of console online gaming. The games need to be designed with console in mind when making a console game. Even if it does mean adding stuff like autoaim, it'd be more fun playing that console game with autoaim than struggling with gamepad control in COD4 on PC.

BTW, how is COD4 superior on PC? Just want to know your opinion, that game already has aimbots, don't know how the anti-cheat measures are keeping up with it, but other than custom maps on PC I don't know of anything better in the PC version.

I already explained 'why not?' but if you don't want to answer my 'why' that's up to you. I'm certainly not changing my opinion over the typical PC gamer points of interest, I PC gamed steadily for over 10 years, I know what it's like.

I certainly feel that installing and dealing with drivers are not overstated. I've never had a virus AFAIK, but it's one more thing to keep an eye on in PC gaming. I especially hate the current situation with drivers, too often new drivers that enable some new game to work right break some older game I'm trying to play. It's not even a matter of knowing what you're doing, something there's just nothing you can do! Another example might be the DRM (starforce) on IL2 Sturmovik. The game would NEVER load into maps, and if I'm allowed to say it, finding a nocd crack finally fixed it for me. I bought the game of course, but even with a retail copy the DRM didn't want to let me play. I basically got completely fed up with all of this a few years ago and haven't looked back.

The failure rate of the 360 WOULD bother me, but I did buy a backup 360. That IS the kind of thing that if it wasn't possible to avoid I'd be that much closer to being back in PC gaming. The cheaters on Live is FAR less than cheaters in PC games, at the very least. The 360's security still hasn't even been cracked!

As far as Supcom, I wasn't crazy about the demo. But this is one of those cases that if the console version is good I COULD spend the time to get into it.
Commented on 2008-03-27 07:08:38 In reply to Jigen
Posted by Jigen
BTW, how is COD4 superior on PC? Just want to know your opinion, that game already has aimbots, don't know how the anti-cheat measures are keeping up with it, but other than custom maps on PC I don't know of anything better in the PC version.
COD4 is better on PC because it plays better on the PC. There's no need for automatic aim assits on the PC. If that's your thing, fine, but there's such a drastic difference to the way movement works on a gamepad versus a keyboard and mouse that the game is actually played differently (and not just because of the additional ability to lean around corners) by the vast majority of players. And it doesn't simply end there either--custom maps, mods, and dedicated servers are just a few things that come to mind. Nevermind the fact that on relatively recent hardware it's a better looking game too.

And yes, there are cheaters in COD4 but they are few and far between and they hardly ruin the experience. It's not hard to get a cheater perma-banned by punk buster manually either, thanks to the ability to record demos and the default kill cam on ranked servers.

Plus who needs an aimbot when there's already one built into the game on PS360. Some people just prefer the freedom of movement granted by the keyboard and the improved reaction time and accuracy granted by the mouse for certain titles. Traditional FPS and RTS do work better with the input they were designed for. That's hardly even an opinion. Watch someone play something like Starcraft at a high level and tell me that you think that kind of speed can be replicated with a gamepad.

Sure, you explained why not, but they're not very compelling reasons not to game on a PC. The issue of comfort is probably the most reasonable response I've seen from you on the subject. Viruses? Get real.. if you're buying legitimate software there's no reason for gaming to lead you down that route on a PC. I've never had a driver update on any recent piece of hardware (and I still use a 6800GT quite frequently, so "Recent" is a loose term) break an older piece of software.. and PC graphics are far behind? That's a typo, right? A 9600GT can be found for less than $150 and will offer greater image quality and in some cases performance than you'll see on the Xbox or Playstation.

These headaches are nothing to the seasoned PC gamer and frankly if you're a noobie to the platform (which you're obviously not) than you shouldn't worry about them either because they're being pretty heavily overstated.

We get it, you don't like it--and that's fine--but the platform is hardly broken and there are still plenty of advantages to PC gaming. Go ahead though, play Spore on the Wii instead, it's not going to hurt anyone's feelings. You're not alone, but there's still an audience for PC gaming and there always will be. What's wrong with that?
Commented on 2008-03-27 07:48:27
Posted by GriftGFX
Doesn't this game feature dual monitor support on PC?
Yes this game supports dual monitors and you can even split one monitor to show 2 locations :)

Some people are going to have hard time continue gaming next generation... There is already some games that require installation on PS3.

There is no doubt that RTS games are best on PC. Playing SupCom with gamepad I am not sure how good that will work... PC has the best edition of almost all the games. There is some crappy ports every now and then though...

I have had 2 viruses on my PC the whole time I have owned one.

Also one thing I love about PC gaming is that when you get new PC your old games run and look better. Like when I played UT2003 long time ago it wasn't all that smooth but now that I got UT2004 it looks quite damn good and plays even better :) Some games even got high resolution packs. Quake 1 got some per pixel lighting mod too which looked quite nice last time I played it. Consoles backward compatibility makes things worse some times and upscaling isn't as good as real resolution increase.
Posted by pythxvii
God... Those enviroments are terribly drab and empty...
Well yes it's quite barren but good luck getting this game work with better environments. With PC maybe but you would need some insane system. With 360 not going to happen. Anyway when you are playing this game there is a bit more on your mind than thinking about graphics.
Posted by Contra
Does this specifically mean 6 levels each campaign or 18 levels each campaign?
I am not sure but it could meant that 18 levels are for MP. Anyway campaing isn't great on this game... it's like playing long tutorial levels. Much more fun to play MP or against AI opponents.
Commented on 2008-03-27 17:06:03 In reply to Jigen
Posted by Jigen
second rant
Just to add to what GriftGFX said...


Yes, when I meant always, I meant always. Dedicated PC servers will always be better than console online play.

Yes, you can have a comfortable PC environment if you do it right.

You still complain about viruses and cheating, but you don't understand 2 things...

1. This is 2008, I have trouble counting the amount of virus protection software out there as there are so many.

2. If you were playing a game and decided to join a server from a server list, you would obviously choose one that would be a)trusted and b)dedicated. Choosing anything else would not be wise.


3 things about the 360

1. The fact that you had to even buy a backup 360 just sounds ludicrous itself. When I buy anything electronics related I usually never have to buy a "backup" of it because I know the hardware is good and was developed to not contain problems.

2. 360's security has actually been cracked twice in the past. Both times it took them a while to patch it up.

3. Do you remember holiday 2007? Do you remember when Xbox Live couldn't handle the stress of so many gamers logged in and basically shut down for almost 2 months with no solution but having less people log in?

By the way, Spore coming to the Wii and/or DS is still a rumor.
Commented on 2008-03-27 17:17:42 In reply to Contra
Posted by Contra
By the way, Spore coming to the Wii and/or DS is still a rumor.
I agree with most of your points here but I just wanted to correct you here.. Spore for Wii and DS is not a rumor. We've actually seen the DS version on a few sites already. I don't think either version will be the same game, but they are indeed real.
Commented on 2008-03-27 19:02:00 In reply to Contra
Posted by Contra
3 things about the 360

1. The fact that you had to even buy a backup 360 just sounds ludicrous itself. When I buy anything electronics related I usually never have to buy a "backup" of it because I know the hardware is good and was developed to not contain problems.

2. 360's security has actually been cracked twice in the past. Both times it took them a while to patch it up.

3. Do you remember holiday 2007? Do you remember when Xbox Live couldn't handle the stress of so many gamers logged in and basically shut down for almost 2 months with no solution but having less people log in?
1 - Agreed, slightly overboard, especially when they come with a warranty - however, I've had many top-spec GPU's that are DoA (Dead on Arrival), as well as many other high-end, newly released PC products. (I've just had to return a 9800X2 that didn't work, infact). Thinking about it, I have terrible luck with anything pricey :( lol... anyway moving on.

2 - The 360's security was only breached temporarily - and one of the times, it was by someone Microsoft had paid to look for vulnerabilities, which is common practice these days. Even with these breaches, no one has been able to run homebrew. Someone claimed to have got Linux running on the 360, but sure enough that disappeared and seemingly appeared to be a hoax.

3 - 2 months? Erm, it was 2-4 weeks at most... and the service was never fully interupted.

Other than that, just give up arguing. Each platform is great, I enjoy playing the majority of games on the 360, but every now and then I'll get hooked on S.T.A.L.K.E.R (Crysis is just pathetically boring and dull, once you get past the pretty graphics).
Commented on 2008-03-27 19:05:26 In reply to citizenx
Posted by citizenx
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Most good GPU brands these days come with a lifetime warranty.

I agree with your final point most. Each platform comes with a slew of strengths and weaknesses. To each their own, and enjoy what you want and what you will. Live and let live etc etc..
Commented on 2008-03-28 00:48:59 In reply to citizenx
Posted by citizenx
3 - 2 months? Erm, it was 2-4 weeks at most... and the service was never fully interupted.

Other than that, just give up arguing. Each platform is great, I enjoy playing the majority of games on the 360, but every now and then I'll get hooked on S.T.A.L.K.E.R (Crysis is just pathetically boring and dull, once you get past the pretty graphics).
yes, almost 2 months as reported by gaming sites and digg. For some people it lasted less time(for example 2-4 weeks), for others it almost lasted two months.

True, each platform is great. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the 360. In fact, I think it's probably the greatest system this generation. What bothers me however, is that somewhere in between the development of Xbox 1 and Xbox 360 Microsoft forgot how to build reliable hardware.

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