Our video of the Unfinished Swan

Commented on 2012-10-15 12:49:29

2-3 hour game. there is a reason most people say "i'll wait for the indie bundle", and this is the Indie curse.

Then i'll wait for the steam version and indie bundle, or that it gets whore dirty cheap.

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KORNdog

Commented on 2012-10-15 12:51:33

keep hearing this is the new "journey"...if that's the case, day one.

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digi_matrix

Commented on 2012-10-15 12:53:59

Journey was 2 hours long and yet still one of the best games this year. Value proposition over game length just a weird argument.

Want to go in fresh, so won't watch the video but thanks for the overview, Driftwood

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GFreeman

Commented on 2012-10-15 12:55:46 In reply to nostradamus

Don't think we'll be seeing this on Steam nostradamus, Sony funded and Published the game.

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Driftwood

Commented on 2012-10-15 13:12:32 In reply to GFreeman

Since Nostradamus never has a point here, I don't think he'll be surprised. :p

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KORNdog

Commented on 2012-10-15 13:24:39

just read a few reviews. seems it's a bit hit and miss, as with most "arty" games i guess. it's getting anything from 9's to 6's

i'll no doubt pick it up whenever it's out in the UK. got a few quid floating around in my digital wallet.

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nostradamus

Commented on 2012-10-15 14:11:26 In reply to digi_matrix

Posted by digi_matrix

Journey was 2 hours long and yet still one of the best games this year. Value proposition over game length just a weird argument.

When isn't fullfilling, then yes its lenght should matter, especially when we are talking about... 2/3 freaking hours.

Devalues it a great deal, for me. And even more if the game mechanics are a bit choreish like these are, if your talking about a theme park game design when your curiosity is reinvegorated in visuals and gameplay trough, then it doesn't matter that much.

Another good example is Limbo. More than 5 bucks for that is a rip-off. Not all the game is as consistent in its shortness. You do the same thing the whole time, even if the puzzles are the evolving part. No replay value.

People forget that Indie isn't a special label for... ahem, special people that can't. They are for a talented bunch, that outdoes a whole team full of green in all aspects, scope, features even if a bit of production value is amiss (hardly in these last years, limbo, Vessel, Rochard and so many are breathtaking in visuals) it brings new stuff you wouldn't find in a sequel driven industry. So stop cheering for short and boring games with the "you have to give them the indie pass card".

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[quote=digi_matrix]Journey was 2 hours long and yet still one of the best games this year. Value proposition over game length just a weird argument.[/quote]When isn't fullfilling, then yes its lenght should matter, especially when we are talking about... 2/3 freaking hours.

Devalues it a great deal, for me. And even more if the game mechanics are a bit choreish like these are, if your talking about a theme park game design when your curiosity is reinvegorated in visuals and gameplay trough, then it doesn't matter that much.

Another good example is Limbo. More than 5 bucks for that is a rip-off. Not all the game is as consistent in its shortness. You do the same thing the whole time, even if the puzzles are the evolving part. No replay value.

People forget that Indie isn't a special label for... ahem, special people that can't. They are for a talented bunch, that outdoes a whole team full of green in all aspects, scope, features even if a bit of production value is amiss (hardly in these last years, limbo, Vessel, Rochard and so many are breathtaking in visuals) it brings new stuff you wouldn't find in a sequel driven industry. So stop cheering for short and boring games with the "you have to give them the indie pass card".

digi_matrix

Commented on 2012-10-15 15:30:47 In reply to nostradamus

Posted by nostradamus

When isn't fullfilling, then yes its lenght should matter, especially when we are talking about... 2/3 freaking hours.

Devalues it a great deal, for me. And even more if the game mechanics are a bit choreish like these are, if your talking about a theme park game design when your curiosity is reinvegorated in visuals and gameplay trough, then it doesn't matter that much.

It's a subjective thing on a case-by-case basis. As long as you do enough with your mechanics/story, and have less filler, that would be fulfilling. I was satisfied with Journey's length, and it also provided replayability with the robes and teaching other players how to get through, in a circle where you're now the mentor.

Do you want 30 hours if it's full of boredom like RE 6, or do you want a shorter experience with no filler? There's no objective reasoning that this many hours caused me this much enjoyment, it's more how the story or gameplay was developed to its full potential.

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bleachedsmiles

Commented on 2012-10-15 16:03:07

'indie' should be a licence to take chances not rip people off..or have them lower their standards. The quality/quantity should be reflected in the price though...i've no idea how much this will be priced. But length is subjective anyway. If somebody blasted through limbo in 2 hours hats off to them as i'm still stuck on it after 2years?

Is this now a move only game? or did i hear it plays better with move?

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Phaethon360

Commented on 2012-10-15 16:10:35

I hated Journey with a passion. And this is from someone who loved what they did in Flow and Flower. Game gets way too much praise. All style, no substance whatsoever.

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KORNdog

Commented on 2012-10-15 16:12:54 In reply to Phaethon360

Posted by Phaethon360

I hated Journey with a passion. And this is from someone who loved what they did in Flow and Flower. Game gets way too much praise. All style, no substance whatsoever.

shame you didn't like it. thought it was MUCH better as both a game and experience then both flow and flower. it's currently residing in my top 5 GOTY list, second only to dishonored.

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munkini

Commented on 2012-10-15 16:38:59 In reply to nostradamus

Posted by nostradamus

When isn't fullfilling, then yes its lenght should matter, especially when we are talking about... 2/3 freaking hours.

Devalues it a great deal, for me. And even more if the game mechanics are a bit choreish like these are, if your talking about a theme park game design when your curiosity is reinvegorated in visuals and gameplay trough, then it doesn't matter that much.

Another good example is Limbo. More than 5 bucks for that is a rip-off. Not all the game is as consistent in its shortness. You do the same thing the whole time, even if the puzzles are the evolving part. No replay value.

People forget that Indie isn't a special label for... ahem, special people that can't. They are for a talented bunch, that outdoes a whole team full of green in all aspects, scope, features even if a bit of production value is amiss (hardly in these last years, limbo, Vessel, Rochard and so many are breathtaking in visuals) it brings new stuff you wouldn't find in a sequel driven industry. So stop cheering for short and boring games with the "you have to give them the indie pass card".

You said a great deal but what it actually boils down to is that you are kind of a cheapskate. If the game mechanics don't grab you then NO price is justified but in general the pricing model for indie titles is more than reasonable.

It's DLC that just takes the fucking piss big time, I have no words to describe how much it pisses me off that stuff that used to be on the disc is now doled out piecemeal for often the price of one of these complete indie titles.

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[quote=nostradamus]When isn't fullfilling, then yes its lenght should matter, especially when we are talking about... 2/3 freaking hours.

Devalues it a great deal, for me. And even more if the game mechanics are a bit choreish like these are, if your talking about a theme park game design when your curiosity is reinvegorated in visuals and gameplay trough, then it doesn't matter that much.

Another good example is Limbo. More than 5 bucks for that is a rip-off. Not all the game is as consistent in its shortness. You do the same thing the whole time, even if the puzzles are the evolving part. No replay value.

People forget that Indie isn't a special label for... ahem, special people that can't. They are for a talented bunch, that outdoes a whole team full of green in all aspects, scope, features even if a bit of production value is amiss (hardly in these last years, limbo, Vessel, Rochard and so many are breathtaking in visuals) it brings new stuff you wouldn't find in a sequel driven industry. So stop cheering for short and boring games with the "you have to give them the indie pass card".[/quote]

You said a great deal but what it actually boils down to is that you are kind of a cheapskate. If the game mechanics don't grab you then NO price is justified but in general the pricing model for indie titles is more than reasonable.

It's DLC that just takes the fucking piss big time, I have no words to describe how much it pisses me off that stuff that used to be on the disc is now doled out piecemeal for often the price of one of these complete indie titles.

nostradamus

Commented on 2012-10-15 17:52:34 In reply to munkini

Posted by munkini

You said a great deal but what it actually boils down to is that you are kind of a cheapskate. If the game mechanics don't grab you then NO price is justified but in general the pricing model for indie titles is more than reasonable.

It's DLC that just takes the fucking piss big time, I have no words to describe how much it pisses me off that stuff that used to be on the disc is now doled out piecemeal for often the price of one of these complete indie titles.

not greedy, if the "game" sells in all points, just not that a fool to be ripped-off for a "experience". I don't really care for the ones that offer me artsy fartsy shit to mascarade their pretentious lack of "game" and ask the same price that other indie devs ask for their games that rival big productions, see Dust: Elisian Tail for example.

If this costed 3 dollars like that psn tech demo, I wouldn't had a problem b/c that was never intended to pass for a game, but this is.

DLC is your problem, from all games I played that ardevtised DLC as DLC nd not real expansions to the game, they hardly afected the main game scheme, and hardly you miss anything by not playing. The fact you pay for DLC and say its bad, is just your own goofin' yourself.

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[quote=munkini]

You said a great deal but what it actually boils down to is that you are kind of a cheapskate. If the game mechanics don't grab you then NO price is justified but in general the pricing model for indie titles is more than reasonable.

It's DLC that just takes the fucking piss big time, I have no words to describe how much it pisses me off that stuff that used to be on the disc is now doled out piecemeal for often the price of one of these complete indie titles.[/quote]not greedy, if the "game" sells in all points, just not that a fool to be ripped-off for a "experience". I don't really care for the ones that offer me artsy fartsy shit to mascarade their pretentious lack of "game" and ask the same price that other indie devs ask for their games that rival big productions, see Dust: Elisian Tail for example.

If this costed 3 dollars like that psn tech demo, I wouldn't had a problem b/c that was never intended to pass for a game, but this is.

DLC is your problem, from all games I played that ardevtised DLC as DLC nd not real expansions to the game, they hardly afected the main game scheme, and hardly you miss anything by not playing. The fact you pay for DLC and say its bad, is just your own goofin' yourself.

raina

Commented on 2012-10-16 08:30:11 In reply to nostradamus

Posted by nostradamus

2-3 hour game. there is a reason most people say "i'll wait for the indie bundle", and this is the Indie curse.

Then i'll wait for the steam version and indie bundle, or that it gets whore dirty cheap.

It is safe bet on 360. Pretty much all things are on PC as well. I am not sure this will come to PC. May be game like this is good for Vita though.

Payday heist was released on steam and there are 1-2 may be rare games that they did. But it is pretty rare.

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DoubleThree

Commented on 2012-10-16 09:27:24 In reply to Phaethon360

Posted by Phaethon360

I hated Journey with a passion.

I didn't hate it but it made me fall asleep. This looks like it could be another insomnia killer. Or it might be fun on massive doses of psychadelic drugs. I'll never know.

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crookedmind

Commented on 2012-10-16 10:24:57

I hate to jump in here and point out the absurdness. But that little beep sounds every time illogical statements are read.

Content length is not subjective when it is in terms of content deemed to be viewable by an average video gamer. Why? Because the argument of someone finishing it faster than another person doesn't take into account game pacing or the average that it's based upon. And this would be like saying, "well, since my kid-brother is 4 and it took him 90 days to get this far, it is worth just as much, and is just as fulfilling as that game which takes you 90 days to beat but me 180." No, it's not. The time a game takes to get through is based on an average. If you're slower than the average, than you're not the average. And below average gaming has nothing to do with the average time based on content.

So, what this means is, I hate you all.

And most of you eat too much for breakfast. If the game is only 2-3 hours long, it isn't worth as much, nor will it have as much content as a game deemed 20 hours long by the average. The only thing that is subjective is how easily satisfied you are, and whether or not you know the difference between right amount of content for a games length, or not.

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I hate to jump in here and point out the absurdness. But that little beep sounds every time illogical statements are read.

Content length is not subjective when it is in terms of content deemed to be viewable by an average video gamer. Why? Because the argument of someone finishing it faster than another person doesn't take into account game pacing or the average that it's based upon. And this would be like saying, "well, since my kid-brother is 4 and it took him 90 days to get this far, it is worth just as much, and is just as fulfilling as that game which takes you 90 days to beat but me 180." No, it's not. The time a game takes to get through is based on an average. If you're slower than the average, than you're not the average. And below average gaming has nothing to do with the average time based on content.

So, what this means is, I hate you all.

And most of you eat too much for breakfast. If the game is only 2-3 hours long, it isn't worth as much, nor will it have as much content as a game deemed 20 hours long by the average. The only thing that is subjective is how easily satisfied you are, and whether or not you know the difference between right amount of content for a games length, or not.

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