ID's RAGE and TECH5

Since 7547 Days

It sounds like they have a "story" for this game of some sort to merit the odd theme mish mash and rampant killing. id is moving up in the world :P

Some of the id Tech 5 demos have been cool, but they seem very texture bound/oriented in design which is going to put a lot of weight on a quality lighting (esp. indirect) and shadowing to justify it as well as I am curious how they have designed their material system, especially for various bump mapping techniques. Painting and stamping unique content is nice, but the low geometry is begging for high density models being ported into normals and parallax techniques.

Likewise, the emphasis on streaming may have some great tradeoffs, but it does seem to put a huge burden on the mass storage. So it may be a win for streaming, but on the other hand your mass storage device has to be large enough to hold the raw data.

id has really smart people, but I am curious how their new tech is going to shape up. I am happy they are returning to their Quake Engine days and actively entering the middleware market. Getting 3 or 4 really good MW makers in the market with different techniques and focus is a good thing for everyone involved. It seems a natural path for id and will keep them relevant and at the forefront of technology where they really need to be. While a company, id has shown a long history of making decisions in the best interest of consumers and developers for the "common good" of the industry above personal and/or publisher benefit. They might not always have an opinion every industry person can agree with, but there is no mistaking they are independant in their thought.

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It sounds like they have a "story" for this game of some sort to merit the odd theme mish mash and rampant killing. id is moving up in the world :P

Some of the id Tech 5 demos have been cool, but they seem very texture bound/oriented in design which is going to put a lot of weight on a quality lighting (esp. indirect) and shadowing to justify it as well as I am curious how they have designed their material system, especially for various bump mapping techniques. Painting and stamping unique content is nice, but the low geometry is begging for high density models being ported into normals and parallax techniques.

Likewise, the emphasis on streaming may have some great tradeoffs, but it does seem to put a huge burden on the mass storage. So it may be a win for streaming, but on the other hand your mass storage device has to be large enough to hold the raw data.

id has really smart people, but I am curious how their new tech is going to shape up. I am happy they are returning to their Quake Engine days and actively entering the middleware market. Getting 3 or 4 really good MW makers in the market with different techniques and focus is a good thing for everyone involved. It seems a natural path for id and will keep them relevant and at the forefront of technology where they really need to be. While a company, id has shown a long history of making decisions in the best interest of consumers and developers for the "common good" of the industry above personal and/or publisher benefit. They might not always have an opinion every industry person can agree with, but there is no mistaking they are independant in their thought.

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Since 7344 Days

id sure can make awesome game engines. Games are great too. I can't wait to see more of the engine and games.

Rage trailer: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36283.html?type...

Not sure if it has been posted yet.

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dcdelgado

Since 7436 Days

yep its been posted.

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Since 7344 Days

Ok. E3 sure is crazy can't remember what has been posted and what not :p Oh well it's great trailer.

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Ok. E3 sure is crazy can't remember what has been posted and what not :p Oh well it's great trailer.

yep although i'm not convinced by its car racer main elements?

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Since 7344 Days

I am quite interested about the racing mix in this. Could be good or bad but definitely not ugly ;)

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Since 7344 Days

Rage Quake-Con 08 Cam Trailer HD: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/37832.html?type...

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Optimusv2

Since 7469 Days

Carmack apparently said the game would not look as good on the 360 due to storage problems for DVD discs.

He said the royalty cost for the third disc would be too great and so he hopes Microsoft makes a concession on the royalty cost so they can go to 3 discs without too great a cost.

Had no idea it was royalty per disc. That's kinda gay especially for Japanese rpg creators. I hope Microsoft isn't imposing this very same royalty per disc nonsense on japanese developers too. How many discs will Infinite Undiscovery be on again?

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Since 7344 Days

I read that too and it sounded a bit weird.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/53976

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Jollipop

Since 7459 Days

LOL, MS are shooting themselves in the foot there, they are restricting creativity by forcing developers to keep their games to one disc.

IU is on 2 disc's supposedly but this, BD and LO don't count because they are funded by MS.

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alimokrane

Since 7507 Days

I dont get it ? they charge a develoepr for going over one disk ? hmmmmm

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Since 7547 Days

They have royalty "per disk" to discourage developers from taking advantage of blu ray and either cutting back on content on the 360 or disk spanning (i.e. emphasizing a PS3 bulletpoint). How. Lame.

It is nearly 3 years since the console came out, no one CARES. Heck, you allow gamers to INSTALL games on the HDD now. Stop the non-sense and let the game be what the developer wants it to be and stop stupid stuff like per disk royalties. Sheesh.

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gmulis

Since 7365 Days

this is bullshit paying royalty for disk , this greedness is disgusting

Ms market their console as high def with crystal clear graghics and they want us to experience a less looking game because of royalty on disk

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Since 7515 Days

I want to beleive but until I see gameplay footage of those graphics in the pics running at 60fps, I'm going to be a little skeptical

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Inflatable

Since 8214 Days

It a strange story if you ask me.. That's because as far as I know it's not disc-capacity that determince what size textures you can use, it's the ammount of memory the videochip has available.. And to my knowledge the PS3 only has 256MB videomemory.. So it doesn't make sence to want to put big uncompressed high-res textures on a disc if the system itself has to compress them again anyway to fit in the videomemory..

The only platform outthere that is capable of running uncompressed high-res textures is a high-end PC with lots of memory.. Quake4 also had an option for uncompressed ultra-textures that required a 500+MB videocard (which btw didn't look any better then the compressed high setting if you asked me)..

So again, I find this a strange story, as I can hardly believe ID really need that many discs for the game because of uncompressed textures etc.. That's all besides the point of MS requiring royalties per disc instead of per game, which indeed is kindof lame..

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Read up on megatextures--the concept it totally different. The game engine only makes a couple draw calls because the game is one huge texture; a single level is 500MBish and is streamed in. The benefits are fewer draw calls, all unique textures, less memory footprint for textures, etc. The downside is diskspace -- the tradeoff is that for the fewer draw calls and memory footprint you do more "work" in a finished format that needs to be stored as such.

Similar tradeoffs, in different ways of course, are seen with precomputed shadows versus realtime ones. You are just shifting your resource bottleneck.

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Inflatable

Since 8214 Days

Ok, so it comes down to a new way of streaming textures etc instead of loading them forcing us to have a lot more storagecapacity for our games if I understand correctly? I hope it's worth the tradeoff then, because I hate discswitching, and I also don't have a Blu-ray drive in my PC (install the game completly on the hardrive anyway, so not that big of a deal)..

And if this is a new better way for game-engines to produce high-res textures on low memory videochips, then why keep ATI and Nvidia producing ever bigger memory videocards? They're upto 1GB on a single card already..

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Just curious but how does Megatextures use less memory? Is it because they can use the compression algorithm on one giant set of unique data vs compressing many small sets of unique data where the compression algorithm has less chance to compress data?

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Was just reading more about MegaTextures, so I think I get it now, its more of a texture streaming tech so you can can have a giant landscape with, lets say 5GB of unique data and only use eg 20mb of video memory at anytime to view where you are instead of tiling small duplicate textures to cover a large area or doing the impossible of loading one giant 5gb texture to make up the very unique landscape.

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Yep. It also saves memory because instead of many layers of textures and loading a ton of content you are not using (and may not use) as well as all the mip layers for redundant content, you are essentially able to stream what you have immediately accessible to you. This shrinks the footprint substantially for textures... at the cost of storage space.

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