I dont think it will be as bad as everybody thinks, there will still be an SP campaign to play through is my guess?Downward spiral is a bit much as we have no idea how this game will turn out, i have loved every game Bungie have put out thus far, so i am certainly keeping the faith with this one.

Hmmm ok guess i'll have to see how that turns out.

I do love the coop modes, so they will be missed.

Playing through missions with your friends sure sounds like co-op, maybe not local, but close enough. I doubt Bungie will leave out local co-op from this one, even tho it's "always online".

Bungie has made enough top quality games to earn the benefit of the doubt, and nobody can truly say otherwise, unless they simply just weren't fans of their games to begin with.

Dunno about that tbh. Halo CE was great. Undeniably so. It did for consoles what goldeneye was suposed to have done. But the series got worse as it went on. Oni was one of the worst third person action games i've ever played, marathon was naff. Myth was the only half decent game they made outside of riding the halo wave...

If anything they're NOT proven. They've proven they can churn out sequels to a fluke they never saw coming. They've proven they don't know how to push hardware, they're proven to have some horrible repetative level design (solo) and consistently so. (It was only REACH that managed to shake it off)

Bungie ARE halo. And without that name, i don't have a clue how they'll do as a developer. All i know is they havn't done a damn thing outside of halo to give them the benefit of the doubt. Even including halo i'm not sure i could give them the benefit of the doubt.

They need more then a short, half hearted, self appreciating vidoc to convince me. Some people are easier to please though...

You Hate Bungie as much as Grift Worships them lol

;)

I would not say grift worships them.
I would not say Korn hates bungie..

But aside from Halo CE (look the other halo games ARE great, just not compared to there master fluke) there is really nothing else that is great

Not a fan of marathon, maybe because it did not play it in its day..
really not a fan of Oni that was utter shyt.
and.. was there really anything else?

I'd say it was more "i hate bungie as much as grift hates 343"

Lol. I just haven't seen any reason to have faith in them as a developer. I would LOVE for this to be the reason to change my mind. If only they showed more then that crappy vidoc.

:P

I don't agree that the Halo games got worse as they went on. They all changed in some fashion, in some cases being worse off in specific areas, but on the whole, I thought EVERY Halo game was better than the last, just for different reasons. I skipped Halo ODST. I saw it as a shameful cash in, and will continue to see it as such, although some of Marty's best work is in that.

Wait you did not play ODST becasue of cash in?
Actually it was more to do with Bungie trying to free them selves of the contract as fast as possible, was nothing to do with the money (well it was for MS)
But you can get it now for like £3.. and it is really good, honestly for a fan of the franchise the only person your affecting is yourself.

As for better each game? Halo 2 single player says no
Halo reach Multiplayer says no
Halo 4 multiplayer says no

The MP died after 3 and single player picked back up at 3 (then lore wise died at reach)

I never played Halo for the MP, so the MP shortcomings never really affected me. I was never convinced that Halo's MP was ever as good as people thought it was. I've been intrigued here and there, but can never find myself taking it serious.

As for SP, I thought Halo 2, while lacking the impressive pace of Halo CE, was a better game due to the portrayal of Master Chief and Cortana's notably enhanced individual characters, the evolved relationship between the two of them. You cared about Cortana in Halo CE, because you knew how important she was. You learn to care about Cortana in Halo 2 for reasons exceeding just her mission usefulness. It also gave us such a cool look at the very heart of the Covenant caste system and especially at the Elites, showing us that their were individuals among their ranks that believed in things such as honor. It expanded the Halo universe and the potential for it in a lot of exciting and underrated ways. It planted impressive seeds for the future of the franchise that, admittedly, Halo 3 largely face planted on.

Now, in the case of Halo 3, I thought it was better purely because it was the best, most fun gameplay the franchise had ever seen up until that point, and it's the precise reason why, as annoyed as I was with all its shortcomings, I felt it was great.

Halo Reach, cutting to the chase, best Halo game Bungie has ever made. What held it back, if anything, and it's unfair, is no Master Chief or Cortana, but it is a very strong game. Very few weak points, it doesn't bog you down in strong emotional connections for characters that had little chance of surviving from the start. It cuts them off about as quickly as you think there's some hope of something more for any of the characters, and Noble Six going down like he did was especially brutal. I really did get my hopes up thinking he might survive.

Halo 4 -- Best Halo Campaign ever, easy. Strongest character development of the series. Technical advancements not just for the sake of superior graphics, but for superior character expression, allowing scenes to sink hooks into the player in ways that I've never seen a Halo campaign do. They did all the things that I've been wanting to see done with the master Chief, and did it all without ruining his identity. Cortana's entire portrayal in this game? Masterful. They wisely, I feel, cranked up the presentation and production value to the level that Halo next gen deserved. The best art the series has ever witnessed, easy. They weren't afraid to stop playing the bigger and bigger battles game, and simply made a more strongly paced and better designed game, period. Expand the size of battles where it made sense, and made it more compact and focused when it called for it. There is a stricter adherence to narrative in this game than has ever been the case before. Even the original halo doesn't touch the pace of this one. I can't say enough good things about Halo 4's campaign. It, to me, saved Halo from becoming irrelevant. The weapon lineup and balance has never been better than in this game. That's my view of it. I can't speak to the mp, because I frankly don't play it, but Halo 4 is one of the best first person shooter campaigns I've ever played.

Halo CE was an incredible game for its time, but I think a lot of nostalgia is carrying it, clouding the fact that it's a game, technical advancements aside, that isn't on the same level as Halo 4. Give both Halo 4 and Halo CE the same graphics, and judge the two games on overall quality back to back, and I think most people pick Halo 4.

Damn.. how many keyboards you get through?

Halo 2 story aside, the gameplay was boring and areas were dark and dull and in that is where is the biggest issue of a game.

Reach.. great gameplay this is a given, as good as 3? no as good as 1? no where near, but it is good (it is like comparing refreshers to wham bars, refreshers are great but they are going to lose the fight). Damn lore though.. fact they did re edits of the books to fix issues says it all.

haha, I type very fast, so I don't even realize how long it is by the time I'm finished. When I'm really putting effort in, I'm probably 150 wpm, easy.

Also, it's funny you should mention keyboards. I've destroyed 2 prior to this one. Hence, why I decided to get a bit more hardcore and pick up this bad boy.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...

Yeah, just a thought optimus, and a bit of a connection to the other thread; maybe you should focus on optimizing your writing instead of measuring how many words you can bang out per minute. You know, say more with fewer words so that it's actually feasible to read your posts :P

haha, you're preaching to the choir, man. As shocking as it may sound, I agree with you. It was the biggest complaint about my writing in college. I'd get great grades, but consistently in red ink "Too many words, could have said more with less. Respect the reader to understand the point your making."

I agree, and it's a bad habit of mine that's tough to break, but I will fix it! :D

Your first post i read in ages :D

Haha, I'm not surprised. You will never see another long post from me again. I will break this bad habit of mine. It isn't a discussion if I say and cover every angle of the argument I'm making ahead of time, especially in a conversation where I won't be swayed in my opinion. It just ends up leading to me repeating the same stuff over and over.

That's why my posts are so long. I'm programmed by instinct to consider what potential responses someone might have to what I might be saying in that moment, and I attempt to answer those questions or responses that I anticipate in advance, but I'm not writing an article so that's basically bad form. This is a discussion forum. And most of the time the questions or responses that I anticipate don't end up coming anyway, and when they do, if I give my answer, then I'm just repeating what I already typed out in my initial post. Not very efficient.

I had a professor that referred to me as Johnny 5. His way of saying too much information lol.

One game defined what would be the Microsoft franchise in consoles... I don't even know how you're even comparing them right now. CE obviously accomplished much more for Microsoft than 4 ever could.

CE will always be remembered fondly, because of the way it changed the industry, and Halo 4 will not change the industry in such a drastic way, but that doesn't make CE the superior game. Halo 4, to me, will always be the best Halo campaign I've ever played. I'm surprised more people don't acknowledge the quality of the game. It did a lot of things at a quality level that have simply never been done before in previous Halos. I get the feeling that some view it as Halo 4 benefitting from superior tech, and, as such, don't give the game its due. The tech advancements, however, have very little to do with the best character development we've ever witnessed for the Master Chief and Cortana, for example. And those supporting cast performances, wow. Tech benefitted that, certainly, but wow at the performance capture performances throughout this game. I can point to scenes in previous Halo games that come off as very impactful, but I can't point to another Halo game that has nearly as many such moments as Halo 4.

Lies! Lie I say!! Damn lies! :P

I saw pieces of destiny next gen on my ipad, but it looked pretty damn good!

CE is better, not much else i can say than i have not said a thousand times, Halo 4 is the first i have enjoyed as much as the first.. but it still is not better.

Destiny, i love the idea, i love the sound of it, i love the art work.. but what i saw of it was.. meh, i expect that will change come better videos (animation was shit)