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Since 7698 Days

Well I bought it, and it is pretty damn good. Now, I haven't bought another 3D fighting game since the original Soul Calibur, so this one to me is pretty damn awesome. I do have played the other 3D fighting games, but really they don't appeal enough for me to buy them.

I think the game is accessible to noobs but has enough depth so that good players will not be beaten by noobs. I spent some quality time on the training mode and there is just lots of moves to pull off. Gameplay is very responsive too, although I still need to fix the damn d-pad.

Yoda does suck, but it's ok, just don't play with it. Everything else I think is fair game. I like playing arcade with random characters with another person in the same console, it prevents from one person just staying put with a couple of characters and a person playing for a million turns without being beaten.

Character customization is pretty damn good, but I wish they would tell me the items I unlock after I do so instead of the "new items available to buy" message. A face editor would have benefited the game immensely, there is like 20 faces and some of them are repeats (facial hair on and off basically). More voices, or better yet the use of our voice would have been nice too. I'm still unlocking things so I don't know if there is a more items available, but I hope it keeps growing. I also would have liked a damn explanation on what making my character "good or evil" does, and what is the difference between heavy armor and light armor "traits".

Options are lacking as a whole. I remember the first Calibur had lots more, and difficulty level of the CPU could be tweaked in a 1-8 (or so) stars, 8 being the hardest level of difficulty. SCIV lacks this option, which means arcade mode is a breeze. On arcade mode, it is good to see the option to play "pure" arcade since that eliminates the cheap advantages other players have over you, or you over them. Like someone else said, it does lack profile vs profile character fighting though, and no team tagging either.

Story mode is very disappointing if you are looking for any sort of story in there, but it does offer a "hard mode" which means more of a challenge, better. I also like fighting 3-4 guys vs myself, and even the random characters you often fight. I do not like how it is always the same stages though, and how the same cutscenes play 99% of the time, with the ending cutscene being the only one that is "unique".

I have yet to play the Tower of (I forgot the name), but reviews say it is where we'll be spending lots of our time, and the most entertaining mode. I guess we'll see.

Technically speaking the game is really well polished. Framerate is rock solid, I have yet to see any dips at all. I don't know how Jolli thinks backgrounds are craptastic because with the exception of about two of them, they are really good. The home of Mitsurigi or Astaroth(?) where you can see horses in the distance is pretty damn good, as well as the one in the boat, etc. Character models are just awesome. Extremely well done and detailed, and lighting and shadowing can look extremely good in some stages--and that is the thing, with things looking so good at times, it disappointing to see a couple of stages that simply don't fit with the quality of the others.

Animations are like those in Too Human..........multiplied by a trillion in term of quality. They look really good.

I also have yet to play online, but I have to say this is one great game which I highly recommend to anyone who is interested in fighting games.

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Well I bought it, and it is pretty damn good.  Now, I haven't bought another 3D fighting game since the original Soul Calibur, so this one to me is pretty damn awesome.  I do have played the other 3D fighting games, but really they don't appeal enough for me to buy them.

I think the game is accessible to noobs but has enough depth so that good players will not be beaten by noobs.  I spent some quality time on the training mode and there is just lots of moves to pull off.  Gameplay is very responsive too, although I still need to fix the damn d-pad.

Yoda does suck, but it's ok, just don't play with it.  Everything else I think is fair game.  I like playing arcade with random characters with another person in the same console, it prevents from one person just staying put with a couple of characters and a person playing for a million turns without being beaten.

Character customization is pretty damn good, but I wish they would tell me the items I unlock after I do so instead of the "new items available to buy" message.  A face editor would have benefited the game immensely, there is like 20 faces and some of them are repeats (facial hair on and off basically).   More voices, or better yet the use of our voice would have been nice too.  I'm still unlocking things so I don't know if there is a more items available, but I hope it keeps growing.  I also would have liked a damn explanation on what making my character "good or evil" does, and what is the difference between heavy armor and light armor "traits".

Options are lacking as a whole.  I remember the first Calibur had lots more, and difficulty level of the CPU could be tweaked in a 1-8 (or so) stars, 8 being the hardest level of difficulty.  SCIV lacks this option, which means arcade mode is a breeze.  On arcade mode, it is good to see the option to play "pure" arcade since that eliminates the cheap advantages other players have over you, or you over them.  Like someone else said, it does lack profile vs profile character fighting though, and no team tagging either.

Story mode is very disappointing if you are looking for any sort of story in there, but it does offer a "hard mode" which means more of a challenge, better.  I also like fighting 3-4 guys vs myself, and even the random characters you often fight.  I do not like how it is always the same stages though, and how the same cutscenes play 99% of the time, with the ending cutscene being the only one that is "unique".

I have yet to play the Tower of (I forgot the name), but reviews say it is where we'll be spending lots of our time, and the most entertaining mode.  I guess we'll see.

Technically speaking the game is really well polished.  Framerate is rock solid, I have yet to see any dips at all.  I don't know how Jolli thinks backgrounds are craptastic because with the exception of about two of them, they are really good.  The home of Mitsurigi or Astaroth(?)  where you can see horses in the distance is pretty damn good, as well as the one in the boat, etc.  Character models are just awesome.  Extremely well done and detailed, and lighting and shadowing can look extremely good in some stages--and that is the thing, with things looking so good at times, it disappointing to see a couple of stages that simply don't fit with the quality of the others.

Animations are like those in Too Human..........multiplied by a trillion in term of quality.  They look really good.

I also have yet to play online, but I have to say this is one great game which I highly recommend to anyone who is interested in fighting games.

Mods, stop changing my SIG! I'm going to end up banning you!

ACEfromRussia

Since 7132 Days

I dont like it
Story mode, music, voice acting are terrible
I love grafics. really cool but I dont like small flat arenas and gameplay is not so adrenalin.

DoA4 the best for me.

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Isomac

Since 7343 Days

Sounds quite nice. Graphics does indeed look really great from the videos I have watched. I can't wait to check it out. In the mean time I think I try to play a bit more SC3.

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GriftGFX

Since 7576 Days

Posted by ACEfromRussia

DoA4 the best for me.

Ew.

The voices are horrible though, but that's standard fair for a fighting game. The Japanese voices are much more bearable. Thankfully, you can toggle them.

Posted by LEBATO

I think the game is accessible to noobs but has enough depth so that good players will not be beaten by noobs.

That probably sums it up best. Soul Calibur is as accessible as any 3D fighter, but it has a reasonable amount of depth to back it all up. I don't have a particular problem with a steep learning curve, but it certainly opens the game up to a wider audience when it's a relatively smooth transition. It's more inviting for new players that way, which in turn gives them a better opportunity to learn what the hell they're doing.

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UrukHaiPT

Since 7103 Days

Posted by LEBATO

I think the game is accessible to noobs but has enough depth so that good players will not be beaten by noobs. I spent some quality time on the training mode and there is just lots of moves to pull off. Gameplay is very responsive too, although I still need to fix the damn d-pad.

Oh nice! I usually suck at fighting games, but this looks pretty cool.

Since im bit dry on games might get it, we will see...

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Phellan_Wolf

Since 6921 Days

Ok, it seems everyone here is enjoying the game, even the most hardcore fighting fan, I mean griftgfx :P. an't wait. Is the american premium edition worth the extra content?

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GriftGFX

Since 7576 Days

Posted by Phellan_Wolf

Ok, it seems everyone here is enjoying the game, even the most hardcore fighting fan, I mean griftgfx :P. an't wait. Is the american premium edition worth the extra content?

Is Yoda still on the box? 'Cause I would have paid $10 to get rid of him. I am really enjoying this though, I think I might put FPS back on the back burner and start seriously playing fighters again. There's something really enjoyable about how much of a one-man-show it all is. There's no clan drama when you're alone!

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Phellan_Wolf

Since 6921 Days

Guest characters always suck. That is the way I see, since in SCII, Necrid, Spawn,Link and Heiachi were broken characters and did'nt fit at all. IMO, it is the same with Star Wars Characters. When I learned that they were going to be included I couldn't believe myself.
I bought the japanese version of these game and I am still waiting for it to arrive, but the extras in Premium Edition look really nice so I was looking for it.
Also a lame decission from Namco is not to include the jedi or sith class in the characters creation, but well another microtransaction sighs. Everyone get ready to add features paying for them lol.

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UrukHaiPT

Since 7103 Days

So much hate on Yoda :(

I like him :P, and they dont force anyone to play with it...

Anyway, went try look for a new monitor to PC didnt find one :(, but ended up buying SC4 :/
Will play it soon.

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GriftGFX

Since 7576 Days

Posted by UrukHaiPT

So much hate on Yoda :(

I like him :P, and they dont force anyone to play with it...

Anyway, went try look for a new monitor to PC didnt find one :(, but ended up buying SC4 :/
Will play it soon.

No but they do force me to play against him, and they also force me to look at his stupid mug on my Soul Calibur box, and in the character select screen, and in the games otherwise awesome intro! FUCK YODA!

PS. I love Star Wars.

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Phellan_Wolf

Since 6921 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

No but they do force me to play against him, and they also force me to look at his stupid mug on my Soul Calibur box, and in the character select screen, and in the games otherwise awesome intro! FUCK YODA!

PS. I love Star Wars.

I hate Yoda as a fighter, he is just a spiritual force guide, and forcing him to fight is really lame, because they do not know his nature. Too bad Lucas, they should have go with master Windu FTW.

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GriftGFX

Since 7576 Days

My only serious complaint about this game thus far is that the single player and training options blow. I'm sorry, but The Tower just isn't very fun, and the customization options (which you're basically forced to play with in SP) aren't nearly as intuitive as they should be. Again, I keep coming back to Virtua Fighter, but seriously, Sega just knows how to keep things interesting (in this very rare case, at least) in terms of the solo experience. Achieving master status in their virtual arcade tour is challenging, engaging, and if you achieve it, you're no push over!

All of that aside, however, it's the training mode that really bugs me. It's just so basic, so vanilla. Why can't they copy VF4's brilliant training system, and actually teach you how to play the game? How about showing button inputs, timing, frame data.. this stuffs pretty basic! They don't even allow you to display moves on the HUD while you're practicing--come on!

Anyhow.. Cassy's 4BBA move is really pissing me off. I can't figure out the timing of the final hit for some reason.. and god forbid the game actually tell me how/when to input it. I figured it was a bit like her 2BBK, but it isn't. I'm only getting it out maybe 10% of the time right now, which is really frustrating, because it's a killer combo component (and flashy).

Oh well, less bitching, it's almost time to go back to the tower!

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My only serious complaint about this game thus far is that the single player and training options blow. I'm sorry, but The Tower just isn't very fun, and the customization options (which you're basically forced to play with in SP) aren't nearly as intuitive as they should be. Again, I keep coming back to Virtua Fighter, but seriously, Sega just knows how to keep things interesting (in this very rare case, at least) in terms of the solo experience. Achieving master status in their virtual arcade tour is challenging, engaging, and if you achieve it, you're no push over!

All of that aside, however, it's the training mode that really bugs me. It's just so basic, so vanilla. Why can't they copy VF[b]4[/b]'s brilliant training system, and actually [b]teach[/b] you how to play the game? How about showing button inputs, timing, frame data.. this stuffs pretty basic! They don't even allow you to display moves on the HUD while you're practicing--come on!

Anyhow.. Cassy's 4BBA move is really pissing me off. I can't figure out the timing of the final hit for some reason.. and god forbid the game actually tell me how/when to input it. I figured it was a bit like her 2BBK, but it isn't. I'm only getting it out maybe 10% of the time right now, which is really frustrating, because it's a killer combo component (and flashy).

Oh well, less bitching, it's almost time to go back to the tower!

Phellan_Wolf

Since 6921 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

My only serious complaint about this game thus far is that the single player and training options blow. I'm sorry, but The Tower just isn't very fun, and the customization options (which you're basically forced to play with in SP) aren't nearly as intuitive as they should be. Again, I keep coming back to Virtua Fighter, but seriously, Sega just knows how to keep things interesting (in this very rare case, at least) in terms of the solo experience. Achieving master status in their virtual arcade tour is challenging, engaging, and if you achieve it, you're no push over!

All of that aside, however, it's the training mode that really bugs me. It's just so basic, so vanilla. Why can't they copy VF4's brilliant training system, and actually teach you how to play the game? How about showing button inputs, timing, frame data.. this stuffs pretty basic! They don't even allow you to display moves on the HUD while you're practicing--come on!

Anyhow.. Cassy's 4BBA move is really pissing me off. I can't figure out the timing of the final hit for some reason.. and god forbid the game actually tell me how/when to input it. I figured it was a bit like her 2BBK, but it isn't. I'm only getting it out maybe 10% of the time right now, which is really frustrating, because it's a killer combo component (and flashy).

Oh well, less bitching, it's almost time to go back to the tower!

That is what I have read all along. That the single player experience is really short and when compared to previous SC, it pales in comparison.
And for the training, I supposed they think every one is an experienced Soul Calibur player . To be honest I think you are right with the training mode, they should tell the pllayer just how to play the game, and hey it looks like you have found an unfair combo???? Too bad

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[quote=GriftGFX]My only serious complaint about this game thus far is that the single player and training options blow. I'm sorry, but The Tower just isn't very fun, and the customization options (which you're basically forced to play with in SP) aren't nearly as intuitive as they should be. Again, I keep coming back to Virtua Fighter, but seriously, Sega just knows how to keep things interesting (in this very rare case, at least) in terms of the solo experience. Achieving master status in their virtual arcade tour is challenging, engaging, and if you achieve it, you're no push over!

All of that aside, however, it's the training mode that really bugs me. It's just so basic, so vanilla. Why can't they copy VF[b]4[/b]'s brilliant training system, and actually [b]teach[/b] you how to play the game? How about showing button inputs, timing, frame data.. this stuffs pretty basic! They don't even allow you to display moves on the HUD while you're practicing--come on!

Anyhow.. Cassy's 4BBA move is really pissing me off. I can't figure out the timing of the final hit for some reason.. and god forbid the game actually tell me how/when to input it. I figured it was a bit like her 2BBK, but it isn't. I'm only getting it out maybe 10% of the time right now, which is really frustrating, because it's a killer combo component (and flashy).

Oh well, less bitching, it's almost time to go back to the tower![/quote]

That is what I have read all along. That the single player experience is really short and when compared to previous SC, it pales in comparison.
And for the training, I supposed they think every one is an experienced Soul Calibur player XD. To be honest I think you are right with the training mode, they should tell the pllayer just how to play the game, and hey it looks like you have found an unfair combo???? Too bad

Phaethon360

Since 7422 Days

Posted by LEBATO

Animations are like those in Too Human..........multiplied by a trillion in term of quality. They look really good.

That was unnecessarily cold.

Seems like we share the same opinion. I haven't bought a 3D fighter in a long time. Seeing as Grift's the only one on my friendlist who has SC4, getting it for the PS3 I won't lose out on anything. Never have gotten used to the 360 pad for fighters, d-pad just throws the deal out. And I'm not buying a Whore-stick.

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GriftGFX

Since 7576 Days

Posted by Phellan_Wolf

And for the training, I supposed they think every one is an experienced Soul Calibur player . To be honest I think you are right with the training mode, they should tell the pllayer just how to play the game, and hey it looks like you have found an unfair combo???? Too bad

It just seems seriously bare bones.. there's quite a bit more they could have done with the training mode.

Posted by Phaethon360

That was unnecessarily cold.

Seems like we share the same opinion. I haven't bought a 3D fighter in a long time. Seeing as Grift's the only one on my friendlist who has SC4, getting it for the PS3 I won't lose out on anything. Never have gotten used to the 360 pad for fighters, d-pad just throws the deal out. And I'm not buying a Whore-stick.

Arcade stick > Sixaxis

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UrukHaiPT

Since 7103 Days

Played bit yestarday and really liked it.

I remember playing some SC game on PS2, but never paid much attention always liked Tekken :p

Graphics are really good, gameplay is cool.

Theres good selection of characters, didnt try all, but ones i enjoyed most until now were Hilde and Kilik.

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UrukHaiPT

Since 7103 Days

Oops double post... Sorry... Damn slow net :(

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Phaethon360

Since 7422 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

Arcade stick > Sixaxis

If you like jerking off a robot yes.

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ACEfromRussia

Since 7132 Days

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-dd-49-en-70-2t...

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Phaethon360

Since 7422 Days

$80 for that? Hilarious.

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KORNdog

Since 6980 Days

Posted by Phaethon360

If you like jerking off a robot yes.

PAHAHAHAHA! nice dude, nice...lol

anyway, played it round a friends last night for a good 4-5 hours, and im not a fan personally. SC2 is STILL the best in the series....i dont like the change of pace in 4. nor do i like the cheap as hell star wars character. the game as a whole is far too easy, even on hard, except for that bastard apprentice...he's beyond cheap. graphics and animations are great tho. i dunno. its better then SC3 (which i thought was terrible) but thats not a difficult task. its just nowhere near as good as SC2 imo. good but not great.

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GriftGFX

Since 7576 Days

Posted by Phaethon360

If you like jerking off a robot yes.

Was that supposed to be funny? You're crazy if you think pads are better than sticks, and a little daft if you thought that joke was funny. Oh, and I paid $60 for that stick when it had DOA4 art on it, and it was worth every penny.

Posted by KORNdog

anyway, played it round a friends last night for a good 4-5 hours, and im not a fan personally. SC2 is STILL the best in the series....i dont like the change of pace in 4. nor do i like the cheap as hell star wars character. the game as a whole is far too easy, even on hard, except for that bastard apprentice...he's beyond cheap. graphics and animations are great tho. i dunno. its better then SC3 (which i thought was terrible) but thats not a difficult task. its just nowhere near as good as SC2 imo. good but not great.

I'm amazed that you can tell that the game is better than SC3 (which was terrible, apparently) from four hours of play time. You'd have to spend more time than that with the game, against human opponents, to fairly say that it's better or worse than SC3. Why? Because it practically feels like the same game right out of the gates.. but that's alright, because most people who hate SC3 don't actually know why they hate it.

You're right about one thing though: The Apprentice is a bitch.

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[quote=Phaethon360]If you like jerking off a robot yes.[/quote]

Was that supposed to be funny? You're crazy if you think pads are better than sticks, and a little daft if you thought that joke was funny. Oh, and I paid $60 for that stick when it had DOA4 art on it, and it was worth every penny.

[quote=KORNdog]anyway, played it round a friends last night for a good 4-5 hours, and im not a fan personally. SC2 is STILL the best in the series....i dont like the change of pace in 4. nor do i like the cheap as hell star wars character. the game as a whole is far too easy, even on hard, except for that bastard apprentice...he's beyond cheap. graphics and animations are great tho. i dunno. its better then SC3 (which i thought was terrible) but thats not a difficult task. its just nowhere near as good as SC2 imo. good but not great.[/quote]

I'm amazed that you can tell that the game is better than SC3 (which was terrible, apparently) from four hours of play time. You'd have to spend more time than that with the game, against human opponents, to fairly say that it's better or worse than SC3. Why? Because it practically feels like the same game right out of the gates.. but that's alright, because most people who hate SC3 don't actually know why they hate it.

You're right about one thing though: The Apprentice is a bitch.

Phellan_Wolf

Since 6921 Days

I have just ordered mine. i love sticks and they are the way to play fighting games if you know how to use it properly. Personally I own the DOA 4 (incredibily beautiful), VF5 special edition and now the Soul Calibur IV.
Hori ex2 stick is really good, but in fact it can't be compared with the real pro stick from Hori too. It is one of the best out there.
Also I am not sure, but in general are japanese stick better than their american counterparts? I have heard that hori make better products for Japan and they lower the quality of their sticks when they have to do them for another country. I am not sure that is why I am asking

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GriftGFX

Since 7576 Days

Posted by Phellan_Wolf

Also I am not sure, but in general are japanese stick better than their american counterparts? I have heard that hori make better products for Japan and they lower the quality of their sticks when they have to do them for another country. I am not sure that is why I am asking

I've never heard that before.. but I suppose that doesn't mean it's not true. You'd have to do more research. I own several Hori sticks, and they're all pretty high quality. I was considering changing the gate on my DOA4 stick, but I guess I'll stick with the square gate, for the time being. It works well for 3D fighters.

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Phaethon360

Since 7422 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

Oh, and I paid $60 for that stick when it had DOA4 art on it, and it was worth every penny.

I guess it was finger licking good.

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Thank you GriftGFX for teaching me these emotions.

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