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And what i'm saying is the increase in on-screen graphical niceties by limiting themselves to 720p WON'T be significant. In the same way the 520p games of THIS gen arn't better looking the the ones that are HD.

Next gen i think the likes of naughty dog, santa monica, guerrilla, 343 etc will aim for the best they can achieve with no sacrifices to the standard. We'll get 1080p games from them that define the generation in terms of visuals. They'll be running at higher res and will STILL trounce the competition. Then we'll get most developers making all these sacrifices, cutting all these corners. Turning off v-sync, lowing resolution, dropping framerates and STILL not managing to come close. I would honestly rather every game be 1080p, i think it will make a fool of next gen consoles if they aren't. Just like if the current gen remained at 480p. It would have been a joke.

You can't compare next gen to this gen, because 720p always made sense for this gen, always. Non HD simply doesn't look as good, even though in specific instances I was willing to accept a developer's decisions. Lowering the res to 480p doesn't account for what you'd be losing by not being in at least 720p or close to it, I think.

However 720p to 1080p on much stronger consoles? 1080p is nice, but I wouldn't mind in the least. And you are underestimating just what will be possible on these consoles if you think the extra graphical niceties at 720p with consoles this powerful can't and won't be significant. There will be huge differences on what's possible with lighting and shadows alone. More bandwidth will get eaten up at 1080p. There will be serious differences in terms of the quality of AA or AF that's possible, there will especially be gameplay differences in terms of how much they can put on screen or make happen at any one time. It made no sense at all to try and prove this point on the 360 and ps3, because who the hell wants to play 480p on consoles this powerful? However, many developers, it may even be naughty dog themselves, will showcase just what can be done when you aim for 720p. And following some sites that naughty dog devs frequent after the release of Uncharted 2, where they gave fans a huge insight into the development process, releasing all kinds of assets on the game's development for public consumption, many there seemed quite excited about the potential for 720p on next gen machines, but in fairness those were 3D artists/modelers, not necessarily programmers.

Just on the GPU side alone, the next xbox and ps4 will be more truly representative of their advertised flops numbers, because they will be far more efficient than anything on either the 360 or PS3. Some may look at flop count and think, "okay, ps4 gpu is easily 10 times ps3 gpu," but the gap is much bigger than that as the ps3 gpu wasn't even unified shader, nor was it anywhere close to AMD's GCN architecture. PS4 is going to spank ps3, as will 720 spank 360. If most devs are targeting 1080p, then color me surprised, but aside from that it isn't really a big deal. It's about the games.

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[b]And what i'm saying is the increase in on-screen graphical niceties by limiting themselves to 720p WON'T be significant. In the same way the 520p games of THIS gen arn't better looking the the ones that are HD. [/b]

Next gen i think the likes of naughty dog, santa monica, guerrilla, 343 etc will aim for the best they can achieve with no sacrifices to the standard. We'll get 1080p games from them that define the generation in terms of visuals. They'll be running at higher res and will STILL trounce the competition. Then we'll get most developers making all these sacrifices, cutting all these corners. Turning off v-sync, lowing resolution, dropping framerates and STILL not managing to come close. I would honestly rather every game be 1080p, i think it will make a fool of next gen consoles if they aren't. Just like if the current gen remained at 480p. It would have been a joke.[/quote]

You can't compare next gen to this gen, because 720p always made sense for this gen, always. Non HD simply doesn't look as good, even though in specific instances I was willing to accept a developer's decisions. Lowering the res to 480p doesn't account for what you'd be losing by not being in at least 720p or close to it, I think.

However 720p to 1080p on much stronger consoles? 1080p is nice, but I wouldn't mind in the least. And you are underestimating just what will be possible on these consoles if you think the extra graphical niceties at 720p with consoles this powerful can't and won't be significant. There will be huge differences on what's possible with lighting and shadows alone. More bandwidth will get eaten up at 1080p. There will be serious differences in terms of the quality of AA or AF that's possible, there will especially be gameplay differences in terms of how much they can put on screen or make happen at any one time. It made no sense at all to try and prove this point on the 360 and ps3, because who the hell wants to play 480p on consoles this powerful? However, many developers, it may even be naughty dog themselves, will showcase just what can be done when you aim for 720p. And following some sites that naughty dog devs frequent after the release of Uncharted 2, where they gave fans a huge insight into the development process, releasing all kinds of assets on the game's development for public consumption, many there seemed quite excited about the potential for 720p on next gen machines, but in fairness those were 3D artists/modelers, not necessarily programmers.

Just on the GPU side alone, the next xbox and ps4 will be more truly representative of their advertised flops numbers, because they will be far more efficient than anything on either the 360 or PS3. Some may look at flop count and think, "okay, ps4 gpu is easily 10 times ps3 gpu," but the gap is much bigger than that as the ps3 gpu wasn't even unified shader, nor was it anywhere close to AMD's GCN architecture. PS4 is going to spank ps3, as will 720 spank 360. If most devs are targeting 1080p, then color me surprised, but aside from that it isn't really a big deal. It's about the games.

Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

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It made no sense at all to try and prove this point on the 360 and ps3, because who the hell wants to play 480p on consoles this powerful?

Who the hell wants to play 720p on a console that is apparently as powerful as you think (but obviously not so powerful to want 1080p visuals) oh wait.. You...and based on this thread...only you. You keep your standard low, means you'll be impressed either way. I'll continue to want the best for next gen, something that isn't joke worthy. I may not be as impressed due to having higher standards. But at least i'll get something i can actually deem next gen.

Done with this discussion tho. It's facepalm worthy.

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Only facepalm worthy because you think 720p can't be next gen LOL :)

It isn''t about the resolution, it's about the engine and the game. We'll revisit this when all the hype dies down and you see a lot of devs not treating 720p as a joke. True next gen games can be in 720p and developers will prove this.

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

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Then Next Gen will fail to my eyes.

720p at 60fps no tearing and no slowdown? for launch games will be passable.

2 years into it and we still getting 720p games? a freaking failure.

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Yea, well, you're short and you dress funny :P

I think once we all see the games, we won't be concerned about what resolution they are. Let the devs worry about which resolutions they want to make their games in. Our job is to play the games they slaved over and then criticize them about how lazy they all are without any appreciating for the work they do. ;D

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

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Posté par GriftGFX

No those are the worst ;)

No... the best.

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anm8rjp

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If anyone would read my previous links about 1080p vs 720p viewing distances... most people don't get anything out of 1080p over 720p, because of TV set size or viewing distances.

I'll gladly take 1080p over 720p anyday, but it isn't that crucial a difference. I should know I work in video post production and do 3D animation for a living. There is definitely a sweet spot for set size and viewing distance. True for every resoultion 480p up to 4K.

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Meh.. most people.

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Posté par anm8rjp

If anyone would read my previous links about 1080p vs 720p viewing distances... most people don't get anything out of 1080p over 720p, because of TV set size or viewing distances.

I'll gladly take 1080p over 720p anyday, but it isn't that crucial a difference. I should know I work in video post production and do 3D animation for a living. There is definitely a sweet spot for set size and viewing distance. True for every resoultion 480p up to 4K.

hmmm interesting.

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1080P +16xAF or fuck off.

60fps would be nice too but developers keep adding DoF, Motion blur and all other shitty effects instead... meh.

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We'll be fine. These systems will have plenty of power for everybody.

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

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1080P +16xAF or fuck off.

60fps would be nice too but developers keep adding DoF, Motion blur and all other shitty effects instead... meh.

Don't worry...

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We'll be fine. These systems will have plenty of power for everybody.

More shitty DOF and motion blur for everyone! ;)

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Posté par GriftGFX

More shitty DOF and motion blur for everyone! ;)

You underestimate the sauce.

But you're in luck, because these two systems will perform like they are being powered by 2 8900 class gpus duck taped together with an i7 class intel cpu dangling from a stick of gum recently chewed by someone of immeasurable greatness.

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

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I'm sorry, but can this thread come more interesting please?

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It will once Sakaguchi and Microsoft reveal next gen Blue Dragon 2. I can dream, can't I? :(

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

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Yes have faith in microsoft.. they drop helping sakaguchi because blue dragon and lost oddessey did not sell as many copies as halo and gears and did not win them the japanese (for a big corp there pretty fucking stupid)
same as voodoo vince :(

best of all is this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_I5j256vDY
sorry but i have zero faith in MS bringing us ANYTHING rpg/platform related unless it has guns or cars in it.

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Posté par ManThatYouFear

I'm sorry, but can this thread come more interesting please?

No. Oh heck, let's talk about magic scaling textures again.

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Please dont talk about textures that just makes me think of those RAGE threads...

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Okay. Let's talk about framerate. Who's ready for 120fps?

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can not say i have ever sen anything run past 100fps but then, my pc is like a snail licking a window...

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Posté par ManThatYouFear

can not say i have ever sen anything run past 100fps but then, my pc is like a snail licking a window...

I'm sure I played games at high framerates back when we had CRT's, but I clearly forgot how awesome it is. We're only now getting desktop displays on the PC capable of 120hz+ again.

I don't even think I broke 100fps back then anyway. I had a Riva128.

It really has soured me on 30fps.. I don't really consider 30fps "smooth" anymore.

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I used to use CRT for WoW never upgraded my monitor until it packed in :( loved that big old pile of shit.

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Posté par ManThatYouFear

I used to use CRT for WoW never upgraded my monitor until it packed in :( loved that big old pile of shit.

And it was probably a better gaming monitor than any LCD you've used so far :D

My last CRT was a 21" Trinitron. Weighed 80 pounds. That's the part I'll never miss.

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