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Since 6902 Days

I think it's more a question of pricing. If they can launch at a price that is competitive with the PS3 and 360, what happens when MS and Sony launches new hardware? The Wii-U is half the pice for the get-go. It's certainly going to serve them well with casuals and younger audiences. Let's face it, the Wii-U may ahve gotten analogue sticks but it's still aimed mainly at the casual audience, the E3 conference made that VERY obvious.

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Frozpot

Since 7335 Days

Certainly. I just don't get it. People go- Look! Nintendo gamers can now play Assassin's Creed 3 just like on the other machines! Yay! What happens when the New Machines come and Nintendo is once again in the exact same position of not being able to power the games the other guys have?

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Megido

Since 6902 Days

Posted by Frozpot

Certainly. I just don't get it. People go- Look! Nintendo gamers can now play Assassin's Creed 3 just like on the other machines! Yay! What happens when the New Machines come and Nintendo is once again in the exact same position of not being able to power the games the other guys have?

They laugh all the way to the bank? I don't think the casual audience gives a hot about the graphics. I mean people loved Wii Sports and Wii Sports Resort, even though both games look like crap. I can imagine that a small percentage of the Wii-loves want more awesome games, less casual stuff, but i think it's a negligable group in the eyes of Nintendo. I think the Wii-U will print money and i don't really think PS4 or Xbx 720 will impact that to any greater extent...i mean what core gamer will want a Wii-U after that freaking e3 showing?

Batman AC Gimmicky Bullshit edition? Yeah, that'll draw a huge crowd :P

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Frozpot

Since 7335 Days

Posted by Megido

They laugh all the way to the bank? I don't think the casual audience gives a hot about the graphics. I mean people loved Wii Sports and Wii Sports Resort, even though both games look like crap. I can imagine that a small percentage of the Wii-loves want more awesome games, less casual stuff, but i think it's a negligable group in the eyes of Nintendo. I think the Wii-U will print money and i don't really think PS4 or Xbx 720 will impact that to any greater extent...i mean what core gamer will want a Wii-U after that freaking e3 showing?

Batman AC Gimmicky Bullshit edition? Yeah, that'll draw a huge crowd :P

That's exactly the problem, isn't it? Those people already have the Wii, and unless Nintendo drops all support for it, I don't see why those casuals would be interested in the more "complex" controller, as it was the Wii Mote that drew them in the first place...

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Megido

Since 6902 Days

See that's why they have the touch screen. Casual gamers love that shit. It's still an upgrade from the Wii. Now it does HDMI and HD and all manners of fancy stuff. It's a small step up as to not make the casual Wii-loving crowd too uncomfortable i think. And i'm willing to put down money on Nintendo making a profit with it. Perhaps not as huge as with the wii, but still substantial.

I do think the wii crowd wans more and i do think that a lot of the casuals that loved the wii are ready and willing to try more "hard core" game experiences.

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Optimusv2

Since 7469 Days

Yea, that arkham city for the wii u is total gimmick, I gotta say.

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Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

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Sath

Since 7443 Days

No its not gimmicky, its practical and easy to use the inventory on the fly.

Though I dislike the motion for the batrang.

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Megido

Since 6902 Days

It's super gimmicky! It doesn't add anything to the game at all!

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Phaethon360

Since 7422 Days

Nintendo doesn't even understand why they have an iPad controller. They made that evident. They may have sold 90 million Wii's but they have the lowest attach rate in history. Basically Grandma and Grandpa bought 2 games and forgot about it.

When the PS4/Xbox 3 are out, Nintendo will just be in the same position they were last time. And you'll be in the same position you are now, waiting for some good games on a console you thought would be great.

Real talk.

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Megido

Since 6902 Days

So you think the Wii-U will be another gamecube? I seriously doubt it.

Also all nintendo consoles post Snes (hand helds not accounted for) have the shittiest attach rates, because with the N64 and onwards, people only buy Nintendo consoles to play the first party titles. Why do you think you can sell a 360 or PS3 at alunch with CoD, but you basicaly NEED a Mario or something like that to get a Nintendo console off the ground?

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amerakindesi

Since 7590 Days

Let's just agree that Nintendo isn't trying to call shotgun in the car with Microsoft/Sony. It's a backseat nigga, and happy with where it is. It reaches out to the few loyal supporters, the occasional game-players, or those who want another console on top of their Xbox/PS. I guess they are happier to be the third wheel rather than left out I guess, and I see that as a good thing. Anyone that denies that or tries to compare it with the other big two needs to buy a Wii and sell all their other consoles. They'll get the idea soon enough...I really don't see what all the heat and fuss is about.

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Since 6284 Days

Posted by Megido

It's super gimmicky! It doesn't add anything to the game at all!

Not pausing the game? gadgets on the fly? map at all times?

Yeah that doesn't add anything at all.

Jeez you guys seriously.

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ManThatYouFear

Since 7520 Days

i liked xboxglass more, but i know no games will use it because its not standard :( shame because resident evil with the menu on my phone..epic.

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Jollipop

Since 7460 Days

Yea that glass thing just looks terribad, its kind of like well Sony and Nintendo have external devices but we can't be arsed to make our own so we'll use everyone elses.

I don't see that getting much support from developers personally.

I mean how do you even account for resolution, memory and CPU speed differences between devices.

Posted by Megido

See that's why they have the touch screen. Casual gamers love that shit. It's still an upgrade from the Wii. Now it does HDMI and HD and all manners of fancy stuff. It's a small step up as to not make the casual Wii-loving crowd too uncomfortable i think. And i'm willing to put down money on Nintendo making a profit with it. Perhaps not as huge as with the wii, but still substantial.

100% this.

Don't underestimate the draw of a new gadget especially if it has a touch screen, you start adding features that the Wii never had like netflix and what not and Nintendo could very well be in for a killer system.

People didn't go out and buy the latest I-phone because it was more powerful they bought it because it was the new thing everyone was talking about.

Low attach rate is fine for Nintendo as they don't lose money on consoles, every console sold is pure profit for them after R&D, something MS and Sony will never be able to do.

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Yea that glass thing just looks terribad, its kind of like well Sony and Nintendo have external devices but we can't be arsed to make our own so we'll use everyone elses.

I don't see that getting much support from developers personally.

I mean how do you even account for resolution, memory and CPU speed differences between devices.

[quote=Megido]See that's why they have the touch screen. Casual gamers love that shit. It's still an upgrade from the Wii. Now it does HDMI and HD and all manners of fancy stuff. It's a small step up as to not make the casual Wii-loving crowd too uncomfortable i think. And i'm willing to put down money on Nintendo making a profit with it. Perhaps not as huge as with the wii, but still substantial.[/quote]

100% this.

Don't underestimate the draw of a new gadget especially if it has a touch screen, you start adding features that the Wii never had like netflix and what not and Nintendo could very well be in for a killer system.

People didn't go out and buy the latest I-phone because it was more powerful they bought it because it was the new thing everyone was talking about.

Low attach rate is fine for Nintendo as they don't lose money on consoles, every console sold is pure profit for them after R&D, something MS and Sony will never be able to do.

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ManThatYouFear

Since 7520 Days

do you think people who bought the Wii care that its HD?

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Phaethon360

Since 7422 Days

Posted by Megido

So you think the Wii-U will be another gamecube? I seriously doubt it.

Also all nintendo consoles post Snes (hand helds not accounted for) have the shittiest attach rates, because with the N64 and onwards, people only buy Nintendo consoles to play the first party titles. Why do you think you can sell a 360 or PS3 at alunch with CoD, but you basicaly NEED a Mario or something like that to get a Nintendo console off the ground?

I would love it if the Wii U was another Gamecube. I actually bought games for that. And Nintendo has had less of their big franchises for the Wii than any of their previous consoles, period.

I don't see how this trend gets any better with two horrible E3 showings in a row, and a sparse sampling of first party games in the last 7 years.

All they're doing now is trying to prove to their shareholders that 3rd party is on board because nobody believes it. Meanwhile they're neglecting their first party stuff, as usual.

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Jollipop

Since 7460 Days

Posted by ManThatYouFear

do you think people who bought the Wii care that its HD?

Do people care that the I-phone 4 has a higher resolution than the I-phone 3 ?

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Phaethon360

Since 7422 Days

Posted by Jollipop

Do people care that the I-phone 4 has a higher resolution than the I-phone 3 ?

That's a terrible comparison. Apple has built a userbase that will buy the newest thing they make, at an incredibly steep price point.

At this point Nintendo doesn't even know if their casual Wii userbase will even want to transfer over. This is the first time they've ever sold casuals.

Nintendo has this question to answer: How do you sell a product when you don't even understand it yourself?

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Since 7520 Days

Posted by Jollipop

Do people care that the I-phone 4 has a higher resolution than the I-phone 3 ?

different market.

you should of compared the ds to 3ds ;)

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Jollipop

Since 7460 Days

Posted by ManThatYouFear

different market.

Different market but similar consumers though right ?

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That's a terrible comparison. Apple has built a userbase that will buy the newest thing they make, at an incredibly steep price point.

At this point Nintendo doesn't even know if their casual Wii userbase will even want to transfer over. This is the first time they've ever sold casuals.

Nintendo has this question to answer: How do you sell a product when you don't even understand it yourself?

How so, where did they build there userbase from ?

You sell a product and make a userbase just as Nintendo did with Wii.

Granted its not entirely the same as a phone is more necessary than a games console, but part the reason the Wii sold so well was because of word of mouth, just as the DS did.

The Wii-u takes both concepts of Wii controls and DS controls and puts it in one box with HD graphics etc.

Whats not to get ?

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Tomarru

Since 6648 Days

Think it would be more akin to going from the PSP to the PSV. The vita is way better than the psp, has tons of new features and new controls, also has fuck all support from 3rd party and a very spartan game catalogue. End result, an abortion of a launch and an audience that just won't fork out just to have some new device with nothing to do on it.

WiiU is in the same boat now, there is very little going for it. We don't know ANYTHING about their online strategy and we all know how long it took sony to adopt to the current landscape nevermind ninty.

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Since 7333 Days

Posted by Megido

See that's why they have the touch screen. Casual gamers love that shit. It's still an upgrade from the Wii. Now it does HDMI and HD and all manners of fancy stuff. It's a small step up as to not make the casual Wii-loving crowd too uncomfortable i think. And i'm willing to put down money on Nintendo making a profit with it. Perhaps not as huge as with the wii, but still substantial.

I do think the wii crowd wans more and i do think that a lot of the casuals that loved the wii are ready and willing to try more "hard core" game experiences.

There is a huge difference between Wii and WiiU. WiiU's controller is nothing new, people have been using touch screens for at least half a decade now. Wiimote on the other hand was a disruptive innovation with immediate appeal to all sorts of people. Now people won't be arsed to buy a WiiU if they can play on an iPad they already have.

Wii was a big bet and it paid off, but there was actual innovation behind that bet. Even then the market for Wii dried up around 2009/2010 while PS360 are still going relatively strong. WiiU is just recycling old ideas in a desperate attempt to stay relevant. It seems like a dead end to me with no specific target audience other than people who adore Nintendo games. Then again it might catch off if they price it low enough ($200 or lower) which they won't because they think people can be led to believe the controller is an advanced, expensive piece of tech like they did with Wiimote.

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[quote=Megido]See that's why they have the touch screen. Casual gamers love that shit. It's still an upgrade from the Wii. Now it does HDMI and HD and all manners of fancy stuff. It's a small step up as to not make the casual Wii-loving crowd too uncomfortable i think. And i'm willing to put down money on Nintendo making a profit with it. Perhaps not as huge as with the wii, but still substantial.

I do think the wii crowd wans more and i do think that a lot of the casuals that loved the wii are ready and willing to try more "hard core" game experiences.[/quote]
There is a huge difference between Wii and WiiU. WiiU's controller is nothing new, people have been using touch screens for at least half a decade now. Wiimote on the other hand was a disruptive innovation with immediate appeal to all sorts of people. Now people won't be arsed to buy a WiiU if they can play on an iPad they already have.

Wii was a big bet and it paid off, but there was actual innovation behind that bet. Even then the market for Wii dried up around 2009/2010 while PS360 are still going relatively strong. WiiU is just recycling old ideas in a desperate attempt to stay relevant. It seems like a dead end to me with no specific target audience other than people who adore Nintendo games. Then again it might catch off if they price it low enough ($200 or lower) which they won't because they think people can be led to believe the controller is an advanced, expensive piece of tech like they did with Wiimote.

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Doom_Bringer

Since 6900 Days

the Wii fad is dead...the system isn't alive anymore. People who bought a Wii will not by a HD Wii just so they can play those non games on a HD tv screen. Hell, most of them probably don't even know wtf 720p means.

I think Nintendo is in a heap of trouble, they have zero momentum, the launch lineup consists of 1 year old PS3/360 ports, the technology inside the box sucks and can't even compete with PS3 or 360.

Star Wars 1313, Luminous engine video and Watch_Dogs have already made the Wii U irrelevant.

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Since 6284 Days

Posted by Doom_Bringer

Star Wars 1313, Luminous engine video and Watch_Dogs have already made the Wii U irrelevant.

Yeah we will be playing StarWars 1313, Watch Dogs this holiday I can see the WII U is in deep shit.

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Doom_Bringer

Since 6900 Days

BTW I hope everyone realizes that the tech demo's Nintendo showed last e3 were complete and utter bull shit. People harp on Sony and MS (to a lesser extent), of showing bull shit tech demos, but not a single game shown by Nintendo looks anywhere close to those demos (Zelda HD or the bird in Japan demo).

Imo it is certain that Nintendo tech teams will struggle with shader tech initially just like all the western devs struggled with the tech. Insert Namco's Frame City Killer shot here

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