Xbox 3 rumor possible leaked specs.

Since 7468 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

Well duh.. Windows 8 is all about tablets. It's sorta shit on the desktop. I won't be replacing Windows 7 any time soon.

RT is an interesting product but it has a very uncertain future. Metro needs support to take on established tablets. It's anybodies guess what the future holds for Windows on ARM.

So you think the next Xbox uses an ARM cpu now? :D

Haha, no, it won't be using an ARM CPU. I should have been more clear. What I mean is that the next Xbox will likely be using its own custom version of the Windows 8 Metro UI, with just the Metro user interface along with a few new additions. It will essentially be Windows 8, but Windows 8 with some notable changes made specifically for the next Xbox. Not like it is right now on the 360, where it's mostly cosmetic. I think with the next Xbox, there will actually be more significant changes.

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

Since 6899 Days

I agree with Grift, buying Windows 8 will be a waste of money. Windows 7 rocks too hard!

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Since 7468 Days

Here is what I mean.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/20/microsoft-intro...

Just like how Windows Phone 8 runs

All this will run on a kernel shared with Windows 8 and Windows RT.

Yea, the Windows Phone 8 is running on ARM, but if it's possible on Windows Phone 8, it can surely be possible on the next Xbox to have a kernel based on a combination of Windows 8/RT. Even the Internet Explorer 10 is pretty damn impressive on there.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/20/microsoft-unvei...

No way Microsoft doesn't make sure the next Xbox runs on a custom Windows 8 kernel.

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

Since 6463 Days

So that leaked 56 page MS 720 doc was real, MS have cliamed ownership, even though they have prob changed allot since then?

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/354694/micros...

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KORNdog

Since 6980 Days

Posted by BLackHawkodst

So that leaked 56 page MS 720 doc was real, MS have cliamed ownership, even though they have prob changed allot since then?

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/354694/micros...

i thought we knew it was real. we just knew it was old. ie, their plan may not be the same now, as it was back then.

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Since 6463 Days

Nah most people called it fake, i suppose that could also mean the more recently leaked 720 spec doc could also be true?

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KORNdog

Since 6980 Days

Posted by BLackHawkodst

Nah most people called it fake, i suppose that could also mean the more recently leaked 720 spec doc could also be true?

i dont see how it could have been fake given what was in it. hella outdated? probably, but fake..nah

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Since 6463 Days

Yeah i also thought it was true due to its smartglass prediction.

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Redneck

Since 7264 Days

With its power only 6-8 times more than the 360, MS's new console seems to become rather the gadget that connects your living room to your PC, smartphone and tablet...

Since I neither own a fancy smartphone nor a useless tablet, I honestly don't like the direction theyre going...

I bought the 360, because it was a pure gaming machine, but the Wii (and Kinect as the answer to it) kind of killed the box imo.

No interessting games in ages....

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They tookor jeabs

Since 6463 Days

Not really the leap from xbox to 360 was 5/6 times and that was a massive leap, dont think the ps4 will be much more either, cost and profitability will be very important for both MS and Sony this time round.

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GriftGFX

Since 7576 Days

Posted by Redneck

I bought the 360, because it was a pure gaming machine, but the Wii (and Kinect as the answer to it) kind of killed the box imo.

But it's not, and that's not what is driving its success. I'm not too excited about it either.

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fabreezwait

Since 5756 Days

I'll be very happy if its 8x more powerful, plus the new tech :)

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szaromir

Since 7333 Days

Posted by BLackHawkodst

Not really the leap from xbox to 360 was 5/6 times and that was a massive leap, dont think the ps4 will be much more either, cost and profitability will be very important for both MS and Sony this time round.

Depending which spec you'd consider, but 360 is more or less considered to be 8-10 times more powerful than Xbox 1.

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"That just happened 'cause that was awesome" - Randy Pitchford, Gearbox

Since 7468 Days

3-6 times more powerful than the 360 is pretty damn significant. That's a pretty damn big jump from where the current 360 is. A console 3 times as powerful as the current 360 can pull off watchdogs, star wars 1313 and then some. Much less 6-8 times more powerful than the 360.

Have any idea what Halo 4, for example, would look like with 3 times more power than the current 360? My oh my :)

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

fabreezwait

Since 5756 Days

I wondered this myself and on checking the physical stats alone the 360 is about 6/7 times more powerful than the first xbox, but you have to take into account that its also newer tech so that alone can also give 2/3 jump, and the same will be for the nextgen box whether its 6 8 or 10x more powerful on the physical stats the newer tech it uses will also give it a nice bump.

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KORNdog

Since 6980 Days

Posted by Optimusv2

3-6 times more powerful than the 360 is pretty damn significant. That's a pretty damn big jump from where the current 360 is. A console 3 times as powerful as the current 360 can pull off watchdogs, star wars 1313 and then some. Much less 6-8 times more powerful than the 360.

Have any idea what Halo 4, for example, would look like with 3 times more power than the current 360? My oh my :)

I dont think The jump wont be as significant as you think. Certain rendering techniques are already established with the current gen and they dont seem to be changing anytime soon. It wasnt like the jump from PS2 to 360 where we where getting massively better poly counts, texture res, shaders, bump and normals etc. i'm not even overly confident we'll be seeing much tesselation and displacement next gen. I think what we'll get next gen will possibly be a little better then a current top of the range PC. Where games like crysis and battlefield and withcher 2 obviously look and run better, but it isnt a night and day difference to the console versions.

If that is the case tho, i dont really see much need in new consoles. Some new dynamic particle systems and lighting doesnt seem to be enough for me. I'd rather wait longer and see better results. I mean, watchdogs, 1313, the UE4 tech demo where hardly the face melting improvements i personally want.

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[quote=Optimusv2]3-6 times more powerful than the 360 is pretty damn significant. That's a pretty damn big jump from where the current 360 is. A console 3 times as powerful as the current 360 can pull off watchdogs, star wars 1313 and then some. Much less 6-8 times more powerful than the 360.

Have any idea what Halo 4, for example, would look like with 3 times more power than the current 360? My oh my :)[/quote]

I dont think The jump wont be as significant as you think. Certain rendering techniques are already established with the current gen and they dont seem to be changing anytime soon. It wasnt like the jump from PS2 to 360 where we where getting massively better poly counts, texture res, shaders, bump and normals etc. i'm not even overly confident we'll be seeing much tesselation and displacement next gen. I think what we'll get next gen will possibly be a little better then a current top of the range PC. Where games like crysis and battlefield and withcher 2 obviously look and run better, but it isnt a night and day difference to the console versions.

If that is the case tho, i dont really see much need in new consoles. Some new dynamic particle systems and lighting doesnt seem to be enough for me. I'd rather wait longer and see better results. I mean, watchdogs, 1313, the UE4 tech demo where hardly the face melting improvements i personally want.

anm8rjp

Since 8273 Days

I'd be plenty happy with xbox720 if it could pull of the Samaritan demo, the UE4 Tech Demo, and the Crysis 3 engine (at current maxed out PC tech).
I don't think it will, sadly.

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Since 6899 Days

It will run those engines with most of the dx11 features at 720p and 30 FPS. Some more intensive features like particle shadowing, real time reflections etc will have to be turned off.

To get a good idea of what these consoles will be capable off, just install and play Crysis 2 DX11. It will introduce to all the major DX11 features ^_^

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Since 7468 Days

Posted by KORNdog

I dont think The jump wont be as significant as you think. Certain rendering techniques are already established with the current gen and they dont seem to be changing anytime soon. It wasnt like the jump from PS2 to 360 where we where getting massively better poly counts, texture res, shaders, bump and normals etc. i'm not even overly confident we'll be seeing much tesselation and displacement next gen. I think what we'll get next gen will possibly be a little better then a current top of the range PC. Where games like crysis and battlefield and withcher 2 obviously look and run better, but it isnt a night and day difference to the console versions.

If that is the case tho, i dont really see much need in new consoles. Some new dynamic particle systems and lighting doesnt seem to be enough for me. I'd rather wait longer and see better results. I mean, watchdogs, 1313, the UE4 tech demo where hardly the face melting improvements i personally want.

We won't really need bigger poly counts. We'll obviously get better texture res, better quality shaders, higher resolution shadows and the sort, but the real, or perhaps biggest differences, will come in the form of lighting and particles for next gen. That's what's really going to end up blowing most people away, I think, when all is said and done. Next gen games are going to, in time, smoke the Samaritan demo. I really and truly believe that. For example, remember when some people hoped we'd at least match the ruby assassin demo? Well, the 360 and PS3, in my view, have clearly surpassed that demo. I expect the same of the Samaritan and the UE4 tech demo with regards to the next Xbox and Playstation. We will have the power next gen to accomplish these things, as unlikely as some might feel that is. If the 360 and PS3 have shown us anything, it's that they both possessed power and capability far beyond what some were expecting their limits to be. We can all be amazed by what we're seeing now, but there will come a time when we'll laugh at the very notion that the next gen Xbox and Playstation wouldn't outperform our expectations. People think Watchdog and Star Wars 1313 look good? What was on display in those games might be lowballing what the next systems can do.

Once upon a time, people were impressed to see the 360 version of COD 2 look as good as it did in comparison to the PC version. Trust me when I say we're all going to be laughing at the thought that we underestimated the next xbox and playstation 3 or 4 years from now.

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[quote=KORNdog]

I dont think The jump wont be as significant as you think. Certain rendering techniques are already established with the current gen and they dont seem to be changing anytime soon. It wasnt like the jump from PS2 to 360 where we where getting massively better poly counts, texture res, shaders, bump and normals etc. i'm not even overly confident we'll be seeing much tesselation and displacement next gen. I think what we'll get next gen will possibly be a little better then a current top of the range PC. Where games like crysis and battlefield and withcher 2 obviously look and run better, but it isnt a night and day difference to the console versions.

If that is the case tho, i dont really see much need in new consoles. Some new dynamic particle systems and lighting doesnt seem to be enough for me. I'd rather wait longer and see better results. I mean, watchdogs, 1313, the UE4 tech demo where hardly the face melting improvements i personally want.[/quote]

We won't really need bigger poly counts. We'll obviously get better texture res, better quality shaders, higher resolution shadows and the sort, but the real, or perhaps biggest differences, will come in the form of lighting and particles for next gen. That's what's really going to end up blowing most people away, I think, when all is said and done. Next gen games are going to, in time, smoke the Samaritan demo. I really and truly believe that. For example, remember when some people hoped we'd at least match the ruby assassin demo? Well, the 360 and PS3, in my view, have clearly surpassed that demo. I expect the same of the Samaritan and the UE4 tech demo with regards to the next Xbox and Playstation. We will have the power next gen to accomplish these things, as unlikely as some might feel that is. If the 360 and PS3 have shown us anything, it's that they both possessed power and capability far beyond what some were expecting their limits to be. We can all be amazed by what we're seeing now, but there will come a time when we'll laugh at the very notion that the next gen Xbox and Playstation wouldn't outperform our expectations. People think Watchdog and Star Wars 1313 look good? What was on display in those games might be lowballing what the next systems can do.

Once upon a time, people were impressed to see the 360 version of COD 2 look as good as it did in comparison to the PC version. Trust me when I say we're all going to be laughing at the thought that we underestimated the next xbox and playstation 3 or 4 years from now.

Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

Phaethon360

Since 7422 Days

Devs/Pubs are still reeling from the astronomical budget hikes the generation leap forced upon them. Why doesn't every game look like God of War 3/Uncharted 3/Halo 4 (just for Op)? BUDGETS!

Don't let John "1990 Game Design Philosophy" Carmack fool you. New hardware is just the perfect excuse to get more money out of you and raise prices.

Now bear with me, we saw on average game dev costs go from $5mil to $20mil. Now, to incorporate this graphic upgrade you believe will come about naturally, do you think developers will get paid more without A) Game prices increasing or B) DLC out the whazoo? Or maybe option C) Games will maybe just look like they do on PC now with some extra effects and more Anti-aliasing?

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Frozpot

Since 7335 Days

Posted by Phaethon360

Devs/Pubs are still reeling from the astronomical budget hikes the generation leap forced upon them. Why doesn't every game look like God of War 3/Uncharted 3/Halo 4 (just for Op)? BUDGETS!

Don't let John "1990 Game Design Philosophy" Carmack fool you. New hardware is just the perfect excuse to get more money out of you and raise prices.

Now bear with me, we saw on average game dev costs go from $5mil to $20mil. Now, to incorporate this graphic upgrade you believe will come about naturally, do you think developers will get paid more without A) Game prices increasing or B) DLC out the whazoo? Or maybe option C) Games will maybe just look like they do on PC now with some extra effects and more Anti-aliasing?

I don't think this is as big an issue as you make it though. The tools available today make it almost as easy to make a High Detail model (which they already have to make to get normal maps) as a low one. Easier even, as making a model within a poly budget look good takes more effort than many realize.
With good engines and tools, I don't think there will be a significant a jump in price, if there is one. There were seventy and eighty dollar games during the 16 bit era. I'm personally shocked that game prices haven't changed all that much in the last 20 years.
The hard part will be to find enough artists with that level of skill...

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[quote=Phaethon360]Devs/Pubs are still reeling from the astronomical budget hikes the generation leap forced upon them. Why doesn't every game look like God of War 3/Uncharted 3/Halo 4 (just for Op)? [b]BUDGETS![/b]

Don't let John "1990 Game Design Philosophy" Carmack fool you. New hardware is just the perfect excuse to get more money out of you and raise prices.

Now bear with me, we saw on average game dev costs go from $5mil to $20mil. Now, to incorporate this graphic upgrade you believe will come about naturally, do you think developers will get paid more without A) Game prices increasing or B) DLC out the whazoo? Or maybe option C) Games will maybe just look like they do on PC now with some extra effects and more Anti-aliasing?[/quote]

I don't think this is as big an issue as you make it though. The tools available today make it almost as easy to make a High Detail model (which they already have to make to get normal maps) as a low one. Easier even, as making a model within a poly budget look good takes more effort than many realize. 
With good engines and tools, I don't think there will be a significant a jump in price, if there is one. There were seventy and eighty dollar games during the 16 bit era. I'm personally shocked that game prices haven't changed all that much in the last 20 years.
The hard part will be to find enough artists with that level of skill...

Oooh, Profound, isn't it?

Megido

Since 6902 Days

The prices won't go up that much in the art department in the future i think. Like i said in the other thread, artists already make high res meshes to bake maps from, including environment props. I think programmers is where the cost might go up if anything. More advanced physics, lighting models and shaders will probably make the coding teams sweat :P

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Nerd Rage

Since 6899 Days

I don't about the programmer bit.....every single studio has a dx11 engine in place. Fox Engine by Kojima Pro, ICE engine by Sony, Unreal Engine 4 for multiplatform developers, Cry Engine 3.5/4 for multiplatform developers, Luminous Engine by Square Enix & Eidos, I am sure Valve will add DX11 features to Source by the time Half Life 3 ships. The only ones screwed are smaller developers like Team ICO who insist on using in house engines. Their PS3 engine is 7 years in the making and they have nothing to show for it.....but all the major publishers should be ok.

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