Xbox 3 rumor possible leaked specs.

Jollipop
Jollipop
Since 7459 Days
Well rumours suggest the reason for stacked memory is because of the controller, I wouldn't discount Nintendo, plenty did that with the Wii and it proved most of us wrong.

I do agree that they could have it much harder next gen, Wii-U no longer looks to be targeting the casual gamer anyway, so I'm not entirely sure what Nintendo has up their sleeve.

As a early adopter you should expect to get dodgy units, I know I took that risk and accepted it, my 360 had RROD and my PS3's blu-ray drive died.
Doesn't mean I won't be first in like next gen, assuming I can afford to buy one.
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Marumaro for the WIN !!

Tomarru
Since 6648 Days
Can MS afford there to be risk though? The issues with the 360 were more numerous than the issue with other consoles and affected WAY more people than than I can remember any other doing. Every console from launch for the first few years was susceptable to just randomly failing completely.

Should we accept the risk either? You wouldn't accept it with any other product so why consoles and you would expect any issues to be resolved asap in any other product. Nevermind that in these tough times people will be more reluctant to gamble that the console will survive more than 12 months. Sure you can take out an extended warranty somewhere but again, can be costly. MS SHOULD offer a 3 year warranty out of the box to match other electronic goods, assure early adopters and create confidence that they will do the right thing should any showstopper issues arise like the RROD instead of denying it and refusing to do hardware revisions.
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GriftGFX
Since 7576 Days
Posted by Jollipop
As a early adopter you should expect to get dodgy units, I know I took that risk and accepted it, my 360 had RROD and my PS3's blu-ray drive died.
Doesn't mean I won't be first in like next gen, assuming I can afford to buy one.
It's unbelievable how easily Microsoft got off the hook for this. "Things break," actually worked. There's no way that the failure rate of the Xbox 360 should be even remotely acceptable.

Not even a slap on the wrist.. sad stuff.
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Frozpot
Frozpot
Since 7335 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
It's unbelievable how easily Microsoft got off the hook for this. "Things break," actually worked. There's no way that the failure rate of the Xbox 360 should be even remotely acceptable.

Not even a slap on the wrist.. sad stuff.
At least they support the consumer. They took a huge hit, and extended the warranties. I'll give 'em credit for that. I hardly think they saw that one coming, and it was so costly with the 360, they shouldn't be making that mistake again.
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Oooh, Profound, isn't it?

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GriftGFX
Since 7576 Days
Posted by Frozpot
At least they support the consumer. They took a huge hit, and extended the warranties. I'll give 'em credit for that. I hardly think they saw that one coming, and it was so costly with the 360, they shouldn't be making that mistake again.
You're applauding them for what is basically the bare minimum in escaping lawsuits. Give me a friggin' break! They didn't even fix the defective (and it is a damn defect) d-pad.. unless of course you want to shell out more cash for the new one!

They're not getting my money until I'm certain that they can make hardware that's not a ticking time bomb. Consumers disappoint me.
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Ronsauce
Ronsauce
Since 7561 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
They're not getting my money until I'm certain that they can make hardware that's not a ticking time bomb. Consumers disappoint me.
There would have to be no BluRay player in the next Xbox and a completely redesigned PS controller for me to not consider getting MS's next console. Defects aside, my hours of enjoyment per dollar has been through the roof with the 360.
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Zapp Brannigan: If we can hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards...Checkmate.

Megido
Megido
Since 6902 Days
Well tbh i donä think they'd want to make that mistake again. I mean, shipping and repairing broken 360s mut ahve cost MS a fortune.
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Chanticleer Hegemony

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Doom_Bringer
Since 6900 Days
I think the entire Xbox 360 RROD was planned obsolescence (fascinating read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence). Pretty sure Microsoft got the idea from Sony as there were A LOT of complaints of fat PS2's breaking down, I clearly remember Mikami (the RE creator) complaining about how PS2 was a total piece of garbage, as it broke down just by sitting there besides his tv. Then he went on and on saying Sony wasn't a gaming company and only cared about profits while he praised Nintendo.

Anyway I am sure PS2 was designed in such a way that it would fail after some time, since Sony was dominating the generation before their engineers probably planted an obsolescence into the device, probably knowing they would get away with it (and they did). I mean they sold 150 million PS2 and I really wonder how many of those were just replacement units.

Both Sony and Microsoft IMO are shady companies, at the end of the day they only care about profit and nothing else. Planned obsolescence is a great way of generating more money. Consoles continue to fail but the ADD CoD crowd needs their fix ASAP so they buy a new machine.

You don't see this with Nintedo hardware AT ALL. NES, SNES, GameBoy, Gamecube, WII all solid consoles with zero history of mass failures. Nintendo IMO is the only one who cares about gamers. Nintendo hardware = by gamers for gamers. <3
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Ronsauce
Ronsauce
Since 7561 Days
Posted by Doom_Bringer
I think the entire Xbox 360 RROD was planned obsolescence
That cost MS money. I still have my refurbed 360 that didn't cost me a thing to get when my launch 360 RROD'd on me.
Then he went on and on saying Sony wasn't a gaming company and only cared about profits while he praised Nintendo.
Companies are supposed to care about profits. Wasn't Nintendo the only company making a profit on it's console sales this gen?
Consoles continue to fail but the ADD CoD crowd needs their fix ASAP so they buy a new machine.
And I'm sure if most people's televisions or computers broke, they'd buy new ones so they could watch their shows and dick around on FB and Twitter, but it's cool to shit on CoD so good job.
Nintendo IMO is the only one who cares about gamers.
They didn't care about this gamer.
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Zapp Brannigan: If we can hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards...Checkmate.

IRAIPT0IR
IRAIPT0IR
Since 6284 Days
Posted by Ronsauce
They didn't care about this gamer.
They cared a lot about us gamers that they integrated a motion controller because us "gamers" wanted that.
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Megido
Megido
Since 6902 Days
For me to believe that RROD was intentional you have to explain to me how MS makes money by paying for shipping and repairs and extending warranties on faulty systems. I mean, if the 360s would break after say 2 years and do it consistently then you might have a case but they started burning out day fucking one. I don't see how RROD was anything but a financial/PR nightmare for MS.

I mean really, do you think that enough of a percentage of people that got RROD just went "fuckit, i'll just buy a new 300 dollar machine!" rather than wait for a week while MS fixes their existing one for free and gives them an extra year of warranty? Sure, some people will ahve bought a new one but probably a rather small chunk. Not to mention all the people that the RROD fail probably scared away from buying an xbox.

To make a company work you need to fuck the consumers just hard enough, but not too rough or they will leave. To me you just sound like a conspiracy nut.
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Chanticleer Hegemony

Doom_Bringer - I have terrible taste
Doom_Bringer
Since 6900 Days
Interesting quotes from wiki:

Planned obsolescence tends to work best when a producer has at least an oligopoly.[11] Before introducing a planned obsolescence, the producer has to know that the consumer is at least somewhat likely to buy a replacement from them. In these cases of planned obsolescence, there is an information asymmetry between the producer–who knows how long the product was designed to last–and the consumer, who does not. When a market becomes more competitive, product lifespans tend to increase.

Microsoft was in a good position when the RROD started, PS3 was too expensive and had a crap library, Wii was aimed at different market so that left MS with a monopoly on the market. It was the perfect time for the RROD to start occurring, I really wonder how many people simply bought a new console...as it took MS a while before they started offering replacements and extra warranty

My theory needs more data and dates that show when the RROD started, how many 360's were sold at that point and how much the sales increased world wide (per month).
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BLackHawkodst
BLackHawkodst
Since 6463 Days
Posted by Megido
To me you just sound like a conspiracy nut.
Nah just a NUT :)
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Prepare To Drop!!

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GriftGFX
Since 7576 Days
So the conspiracy stuff totally steals the show here. It doesn't matter if it was planned. It really doesn't. It's the same amount of bullshit.

But, ya know.. consumer whores.
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Ronsauce
Ronsauce
Since 7561 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
But, ya know.. consumer whores.
What makes someone a consumer whore in your opinion?

Anyone who buys something from which enjoyment will be derived? Does the thing have to have flaws for the consumer to be a whore, or no?
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Zapp Brannigan: If we can hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards...Checkmate.

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GriftGFX
Since 7576 Days
Nah.. there's variety in consumer whorism. There are people who buy everything, simply because it's the hot new thing that the advertisements told them was the hot new thing. They're probably the worst sort. You've seen them, I'm sure. The types who have balance boards and countless plastic guitars clogging up their closets (not that some of those things weren't once put to good use by others). But it disappoints me how people roll over in cases like this, for sure. Things do break. That's fine. What's not fine is having a failure rate so ridiculously high. Sure. They upped the warranty. A bit. But the thing itself was (and continued to be for some time!) fundamentally flawed.

And I know quite a few people who own multiple oldschool 360's as well as a slim. I guess it's partially Sony's fault for not having a console that actually plays the majority of multiplatform titles on the same page as the Xbox. I guess that makes it hard to completely jump ship.

And the new thing may not be fundamentally flawed, but they no longer get the benefit of the doubt from me.

Hell.. they still ship and sell controllers with faulty d-pads.
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Frozpot
Frozpot
Since 7335 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
You're applauding them for what is basically the bare minimum in escaping lawsuits. Give me a friggin' break! They didn't even fix the defective (and it is a damn defect) d-pad.. unless of course you want to shell out more cash for the new one!

They're not getting my money until I'm certain that they can make hardware that's not a ticking time bomb. Consumers disappoint me.
No, I'm applauding that they Manned up. There are plenty of shitty companies that would dodge that responsibility, or make it a huge pain. They did what a good company should do, and addressed the problem as well as they could...
Posted by Doom_Bringer
You don't see this with Nintedo hardware AT ALL. NES, SNES, GameBoy, Gamecube, WII all solid consoles with zero history of mass failures. Nintendo IMO is the only one who cares about gamers. Nintendo hardware = by gamers for gamers. <3
I'm sure that had nothing to do with them going with old, proven hardware tech. The old generation machines' components were so big that they could just hot-glue the shit together, lol...
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Oooh, Profound, isn't it?

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GriftGFX
Since 7576 Days
Posted by Frozpot
No, I'm applauding that they Manned up. There are plenty of shitty companies that would dodge that responsibility, or make it a huge pain. They did what a good company should do, and addressed the problem as well as they could...
Bullshit. It took them years to fix the problem (if it's fixed), and they extended the warranty on a product that should probably have been recalled. Oh.. that would cost them money. Boo hoo.

That's manning up. I might even call a blanket warranty on the RROD manning up. What they did was barely cover their ass. If we didn't live in a society where consumers roll the fuck over every chance they get, shit like this wouldn't happen.

And to be clear I don't blame Microsoft for this. I blame consumers for letting them get away with it. I mean come on. People kept buying consoles that were basically confirmed to be defective! Don't buy junk people.

Totally related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1n_1jmKpu4
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BLackHawkodst
BLackHawkodst
Since 6463 Days
Posted by Ronsauce
There would have to be no BluRay player in the next Xbox and a completely redesigned PS controller for me to not consider getting MS's next console. Defects aside, my hours of enjoyment per dollar has been through the roof with the 360.
Agree.
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Prepare To Drop!!

GrimThorne
GrimThorne
Since 7448 Days
Posted by Acert93
I am behind Sweeny, I think someone can cram that into a box if they want without breaking the bank, but do either company have a stomach for it? If we are looking at 2013 if one company hit those marks and the other hit 90% of it, the company that aimed higher would be in a world of hurt in terms of costs. I think there is a little check going on here. Of course if one aims too low (think 30% performance difference in real application) there could be some trouble for them as every game would run /look visibly poorer.

Should be an exciting 24 months ahead!
Wow Ace you really nailed down Sweeney's "hope machine", there's really almost nothing left for me to add to this. lol!

I have to say that I'm increasingly becoming more convinced that the consoles of the next generation will probably be taking the shortest technological leap forward we've ever seen, at least when compared to previous generations. Launching in 2013 (which looks to be the target) will certainly give us better specs, at least there's the chance Microsoft and/or Sony will take a bolder direction.
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ManThatYouFear
ManThatYouFear
Since 7520 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
Bullshit. It took them years to fix the problem (if it's fixed), and they extended the warranty on a product that should probably have been recalled. Oh.. that would cost them money. Boo hoo.

That's manning up. I might even call a blanket warranty on the RROD manning up. What they did was barely cover their ass. If we didn't live in a society where consumers roll the fuck over every chance they get, shit like this wouldn't happen.

And to be clear I don't blame Microsoft for this. I blame consumers for letting them get away with it. I mean come on. People kept buying consoles that were basically confirmed to be defective! Don't buy junk people.

Totally related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1n_1jmKpu4
Yet i jumped ship because of these issues, and hated on the machine because of these issues, and yet you hammered me for it? *rolls eyes*
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GriftGFX
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Perhaps you missed the part where I bashed the PS3 and said it wasn't a viable option. ;)

And didn't you buy several Xbox 360's or something? You're definitely part of the solution!
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gow_fan
gow_fan
Since 5933 Days
Posted by Doom_Bringer
Interesting quotes from wiki:

Planned obsolescence tends to work best when a producer has at least an oligopoly.[11] Before introducing a planned obsolescence, the producer has to know that the consumer is at least somewhat likely to buy a replacement from them. In these cases of planned obsolescence, there is an information asymmetry between the producer–who knows how long the product was designed to last–and the consumer, who does not. When a market becomes more competitive, product lifespans tend to increase.

Microsoft was in a good position when the RROD started, PS3 was too expensive and had a crap library, Wii was aimed at different market so that left MS with a monopoly on the market. It was the perfect time for the RROD to start occurring, I really wonder how many people simply bought a new console...as it took MS a while before they started offering replacements and extra warranty

My theory needs more data and dates that show when the RROD started, how many 360's were sold at that point and how much the sales increased world wide (per month).
RROD was huge embarassement. They lost billion $ later and had no option.
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BLackHawkodst
BLackHawkodst
Since 6463 Days
RROD or YLOD / Mass Credit cards stolen!, it matters not as gamers need there gaming fix, at the time they will shout and swear as well they should, but they all soon go back to there fav platform.

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Frozpot
Frozpot
Since 7335 Days
Posted by BLackHawkodst
RROD or YLOD / Mass Credit cards stolen!, it matters not as gamers need there gaming fix, at the time they will shout and swear as well they should, but they all soon go back to there fav platform.
And always will if they want to game. Let's not bring the PC (and the upgrade culture) and it's vast array of issues. The world isn't perfect, and these machines are complicated. I didn't buy any new 360s because of it breaking (MS fixed them for me at ZERO cost) I bought a new one because I wanted a slim model, not because I'm a mindless consumer. I realize MS had inconsistent hardware (there are some people with launch-day machines still), but they did the responsible thing, IMO, so I have no beef.
I'm a gamer, and I want my damn games...
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