2007-02-05 05:55:40 Rare's ability is so underestimated.

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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

2007-02-05 06:02:16

Very old interview discussed a bit back in late 2005/early 2006. Rare has a lot of technical talent and both games were upgrades from games largely developed on the Xbox1. The question now is can they develop a quality game (gameplay, story) and good art to accent their technology skills? I think yes, but then again I like Rare games even if recent ones have not been as good as the old days.

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Optimusv2 said: "Gun for the 360 has better graphics than both Halo 3 and Gears of War"

2007-02-05 06:07:40

You may have a point, but I think it has more to do with the console the games are on.

I actually think Kameo or Viva Pinata would've been a MAJOR success if they were released on a nintendo console.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=8757&typ...

Like the check the smoke over the water in this kameo review at 1:58... crazy. I'm eager to see what other Microsoft first parties achieve. Turn 10, Bungie. Bungie is also using a GPU run particle system so I wanna see how that works out. Rare SHOULD share tips and tricks with bungie as apart of them being a first party am I right?

Kameo and PDZ were launch I don't have viva pinata myself, but a lot of people I know love the game. I think Banjo 3 will get rid of any fears people may have about Rare.

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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

2007-02-05 09:52:02

Rareware's technical ability has never really been in question, they're hardware masters. It's the quality of the game itself that people question.

Viva Pinata has recieved a pretty nice response, just hasn't been selling well.

2007-02-05 10:02:20

Thanks for the vid, optimus. I didn't like kameo and I was blaming it for not having ripples when your character swims. I was surprised to see that this feature was implemented but not applied to Kameo !
The lack of ripples/water interaction is like my major complain about next gen game, we have amazing looking water but the lack of ripples makes it look fake or something !

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We fight for Truth, Justice, and the American Way

2007-02-05 10:10:07

Yeah, who cares about story and gameplay? GIEF RIPPLES TO THE PEOPLE!!!

;)

2007-02-05 10:50:22

We're talking about graphics and effects ;-)
To be honest, the lack of interaction with water is somehow disturbing : no ripples, no splash when someone runs in the water... CoD3 is one of the worst games for that : water and reflections are incredible but nothing happens when you see someone running in the water. Same in GRAW2 multi, I think, and yet they have a lot of water in the game. Somehow disturbing, IMO...
In the French forum, we're having a major argument about racing games, 3D grass and its effects on gameplay : to put in a nutshell, 3D grass unables you to take better curbs...

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We fight for Truth, Justice, and the American Way

2007-02-05 11:06:00

oops, enables* too late to edit ;-)-

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We fight for Truth, Justice, and the American Way

2007-02-05 11:35:38

Ripples requires physics processing and cube mapping.

Yes it's possible this gen, but when you gain something you lose something, so is the cost of ripples worth losing detail/proformance elsewhere, I guess that's what the dev has to decide.

Blue Dragon has some of the best water i have seen in a game, yet has no interaction, yes it's disappointing, but it's something we have to live with.

I think this is where Cell may one up the Xenon at some point, it is ideal for doing physics calculations.

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Marumaro for the WIN !!

2007-02-05 11:43:12

Thanks for the answer, jolli. yet, don't you think it's possible to have fake ripples or splashes (splashes= 1polygon with a "splash" texture) ? Do you think it was achieved through physics processing and cube mapping on Kameo ?

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We fight for Truth, Justice, and the American Way

2007-02-05 11:53:27

I'm guesing you could fake it fairly easily.

Although water displacement has been around for years, I remember getting a tech demo with the geforce 256 that demonstrated it, not really seen it in a game though.

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Marumaro for the WIN !!

2007-02-05 12:02:14

How awesome is Rare?

So awesome.:)

Kameo is amazing game, especially in graphics and music department. And it never has slowdowns, which is an amazing achievement for a 360 launch title. :) I played Banjo-Kazooie recently for the first time, really great game, bad camera sucks. Still had lots of fun with it and can't wait for Banjo 3.

2007-02-05 17:15:06

Yea I think Banjo 3 is going to put them back where they belong.

Expect some incredible use of the 360's hardware from them with that game.

Also I believe the 360 definitely has a lot more power to spare for more interactive water because I mean even Kameo has rippling water (just not used in all places most likely an artistisic design choice rather than technical limitation) and Kameo is just a launch title.

Jolli I believe you are right this an area in which I do expect the Cell to have an advantage, but one has to feel good about the 360's strengths. I mean all of the particles in Kameo are all ran just off the GPU no help from cpu no slowdown and they look mindblowingly good. Imagine the types of things that will be possible later.

What made Rare's games great in the past is that they consistently felt like fun games there was no drop off in my opinion. Kameo had signs of greatness then had its drop off points where it felt tedious or like a chore. Perfect Dark... was a complete and utter mess. Viva Pinata they really nailed it I believe, but we all knew that wasn't going to sell to the majority. Banjo now is where I believe they'll get their form back.

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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

2007-02-05 17:37:08

Ouch, too bad, banjo was like my worst nightmare on N64 !
The game looked great but it's not the kind I like best.
I'd kill for a goldeneye 360 or a decent PDZ ;-)

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We fight for Truth, Justice, and the American Way

2007-02-05 18:48:14

They're making another perfect dark. This perfect dark going through all the issues it did on previous consoles clearly soiled the 360 product, but I believe they'll make a really good pdz next time out.

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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

2007-02-05 19:11:37

I would give up with PD most of the original PD team left and made that studio which i forget the name off. (um the one that's doing haze)

Also now that the stomper brothers have left i imagine Rare will become a different company all together. (a lot more productive)

I think Rare should stick with platformy kiddy games and leave the shooters to other more experienced developers.

I'm kind of hoping the rumors of a Viva Pinata racer is true.

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Marumaro for the WIN !!

2007-02-05 19:17:41

Perfect Dark wasn't actually that bad for a shooter as far as gameplay is concerned. (The aiming was kinda funny though) It just had bad story that didn't flow so well and bad art direction.

I think they should've exploited the gadgets aspect of the game much much better than they did. I think when they give us a true perfect dark sequel it might be good. Then again I wouldn't mind if they stuck to the kiddy looking games if they do things right it turns out well. Man what I would do for Sakaguchi and Mistwalker to actually work with Rare on a title. That would be like a match made in heaven. Rare's technical expertise along with sakaguchi and mistwalker's guidance.

I really think they'd nail a viva pinata racer.

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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

2007-02-05 21:08:49

the reason why ppl doubt rare is because of the quality of the games is poor. and their games don't appeal to xbox gamers. they would rather prefer gory games like gears, and fps like halo.....not that its bad, but its problem

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mess with the best die the like rest

2007-02-05 21:30:38

Yea people that want games like rare makes usually just buy a nintendo console.

I hope Rare's next set of games can make such a big splash that there are a lot of sales.

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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

2007-02-05 21:38:39

I think Conker, Kameo and Viva Pinata are all very very good games, almost comparable to Rare classics such as Banjo-Kazooie. I didn't like PDZ that much - shooting is kinda funny but overally I think the game's horrible.

2007-02-05 21:41:25

Kameo definitely doesn't suck. I personally think its a very nice game, but not one that holds my attention too long sadly :(

I think Kameo would be a very big deal if it were on a nintendo console.

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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

2007-02-05 21:46:01

Well, Kameo sold quite good for a launch title at least. But I think Microsoft sould advertise Rare games a little better. I think Crackdown is a good example what they should do in future:
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1551557/20070202/...
Of course, we don't know yet how Crackdown will sell, but I doubt it'll bomb.

2007-02-05 22:32:49

I thought Kameo was great, graphically was amazing.

Was way too easy and way way too short.

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Marumaro for the WIN !!

2007-02-05 22:37:40 In reply to Jollipop (2007-02-05 22:32:49)

2007-02-05 22:50:00 In reply to szaromir (2007-02-05 21:46:01)

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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)