2007-02-23 16:25:05 Shadowrun... PC keyboard mouse vs. 360 controller

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/23/shadowrun-keyboa...

A few rounds later and the collective butt of our team was sore from the repeated beatings it was taking. Next to us on a PC was Mitch Gitelman of FASA Studios. With every frag a taunt and every victory a celebration, you can only imagine our surprise when we realized that he was doing it all with the Xbox 360 controller.

Whether we played with the Xbox 360 controller or the keyboard and mouse, our performance was never impacted with or the other. On the battlefield, it was impossible to tell which players were utilizing what setup and that is the sign of a successful convergence. If this is what the future of the Games for Windows brand has to offer for both PC and console gamers, color us excited. We don't expect everyone to believe that the two input devices can be considered equals, but we'd like to urge you to believe.

More at link

2007-02-23 16:26:17

I'll believe it when I play it

---
This is my December

2007-02-23 16:29:23 In reply to anm8rjp (2007-02-23 16:25:05)

Good! That would be ridiculous.

2007-02-23 18:58:14

Haha.

2007-02-23 19:03:57

They probably dumped down kb/mouse controls.;)

2007-02-23 19:05:34

That's a little redundant isn't it? ;)

2007-02-23 19:39:51

But it depends from person to person about this whole keyboard/mouse vs controller.
So you can just say keyboard and mouse is better than a controller just because the stats says so. It depends on how good the gamer is on the controller and how good they can play the game.

---
This will not change until, Mass Effect is out in stores
Latest release date, May 22nd!
-----------------------------------
*A NEW FORM OF CHANGE*
-----------------------------------

2007-02-23 19:52:16

Can I just say the new screenshots over at teamxbox look fantastic. The graphics have taken a sharp turn for the better while still retaining its artistic design.

The trolls look like these huge hunkering beasts, unlike what they are in other games.

Cant wait till BlimBlim posts them.

2007-02-23 23:05:57

IGN has some new vids up of the 360 version
http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/760/760844/vids...

---
"No Mercy for the Weak
No Pity for the Dying
No Tears for the Slain"

2007-02-23 23:18:27 In reply to Sath (2007-02-23 19:39:51)

But it's not just personal preference--there is a physical difference. It's not even all about sensitivity and resolution either--it's got a lot to do with surface area and the fundemental difference between a pointer and a small analog joystick that autocenters. With a mouse, you have a much greater range of motion; with a gamepad the controls often need a lot of love to work well--camera adhesion, auto aim, etc--sort of like how analog movement with a stick requires certain aids to assist in driving in a racing game. Hell ranked Halo 2 matches won't even allow you to disable autoaim and camera adhesion.

It's no crime to prefer gaming on a pad, but it's not just personal preferance that makes a mouse and keyboard better for a traditional FPS. Of course there are people who are great with the pad and will kick some mouse ass--but if they sat down with a mouse and keyboard they would probably kick even more ass.

2007-02-24 06:45:33 In reply to szaromir (2007-02-23 19:03:57)

They already alluded to things like magnatism, auto-aim, etc in the past and "balancing" these. i.e. User aids.

Most online PC games don't use auto-aim or magnatism whereas most console FPS excessively lather their games with them. Stick standard controls side by side (which you can do on the PC... Halo PC allows gamepads) and, well...

Btw, I would be all for them being equal. That would be the nail in the coffin for why I cannot "play my way" and get a KB/MS on the 360!

---
Optimusv2 said: "Gun for the 360 has better graphics than both Halo 3 and Gears of War"

2007-02-24 17:24:41 In reply to Acert93 (2007-02-24 06:45:33)

I actually complained on the Shadowrun forums, because despite them trying to make these two things equal, they're still insistant that you can not use a mouse and keyboard to play on 360. They actually went and tested the game with the third party mouse and keyboard adapters--just to make sure that it didn't work well.

They said they were testing for potential balance issues. I asked them why there would be any balance issues, since mouse players were going to be playing with console players anyway on a different platform--a platform where those players would actually get to chose what input method they used.

I doubt I'll ever get a good answer/response to that. Some people hate choice.

2007-02-24 18:42:19

Yup auto centre on controllers is the worse thing ever for me, it maybe one of the main reasons i don't like FPS on consoles.

---
Marumaro for the WIN !!

2007-02-25 02:40:27

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/760/760844/vid_...

Wow... scroll to Favela Sniper... just... wow! That is a gamepad? I would have never guess in a million years. The evolution in control input in the 360 software and hardware is amazing. Why did I ever doubt??

Just watch this gamepad footage! Note the percision of the sniper and how great his fine motor movements are. Unlike most console FPS you can just see how he is able to adjust quickly in all directions to get a pin point shot in a quarter second. So faster and more accurate. Totally sold.

Death to KB/MS! Long live gamepads and FPS! I surely won't doubt FASA's PR ever again! These guys rule and are dead on. Again, wow!

---
Optimusv2 said: "Gun for the 360 has better graphics than both Halo 3 and Gears of War"

2007-02-25 02:58:43 In reply to Acert93 (2007-02-25 02:40:27)

Optimus hijacked your account Acert. lol

Anyways, sarcasm came through just fine. I at least hope the sensitivity can be made much faster than that. But what am I saying, with those graphics I can probably run it just fine on my PC, so if it's a great game, I'll buy it for PC.

---
Where the crap is Shenmue 3 SEGA? Scrap that thing called Shenmue online and finish the Shenmue epic story on 360!