2007-06-07 14:06:34 Shadowrun - Demo now on Marketplace!

Size: 1.07 GB

Okay, finally I can try it out...not gonna buy it, but great deal on demo :D

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[Mass Effect] - [Too Human] - [Assassin's Creed] - [COD 4: Modern Warfare] - [Battlefield 2: Bad Company] - [Army of Two] - [Haze] - [Fable 2] - [Ninja Gaiden 2] - [Dark Sector]

2007-06-07 15:04:22

I can do a great impression of Donald Duck.

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I've done the kessel run in less then 8 parsecs :p

2007-06-07 15:21:31 In reply to roxwell (2007-06-07 15:04:22)

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2007-06-07 15:42:59

We had a (sorta, except for some trouble makers) a nice Shadowrun thread going.. way to start another one! Guess this is the place for demo impressions now.

2007-06-07 18:09:07

Decent demo.. just finished the tutorials. I'll put some more time into it in a bit, maybe try to get a party started. I don't like how they teased you with an extra bit of magic during the tutorial. Evil.

So far though.. not too bad. I wish you could change the button mapping though. RB should be reload in every FPS now :)

2007-06-07 18:48:22

Nah the reload should be on the X like always D.

But I guess you adjust to your favorite shooting games huh.

I haven't played it, yet...but I am downloading it as we speak, it will be done in about like 1 minute.

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2007-06-07 19:13:22

Like.. always? Have you been playing a lot of Xbox 1 or something? :P

The auto-aim is sorta ridiculous in this game. My accuracy was terrible, and then I realized that I can just use the camera adhesion instead of manually adjusting the look stick.. sorta a little lame. But what can I say.. I'm used to loads of auto-aim and camera adhesion from Halo, so it's not too bad. Guess that's just one of those things you have to cope with on a game pad.

I am enjoying it though.. more so now that I got a handle on what magic/tech I want to use in the demo. I'm not really digging the glider much. It's all about teleport. You can scale the level in seconds.

2007-06-07 19:15:10 In reply to GriftGFX (2007-06-07 19:13:22)

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2007-06-07 19:18:15

Why can't there be mouse and keyboard support? It is for PC too so shouldn't be hard to include to fps and strategy games. :(

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2007-06-07 19:23:54 In reply to Isomac (2007-06-07 19:18:15)

2007-06-07 19:33:47

Its weird that a person who played Shadowrun owned all the PC gamers without they even knowing who was using the controller.

It really depends on what you prefer in FPS games. I prefer controller myself, because I can lay back and be relaxed and have all the buttons I need close to me, rather have a keyboard with a lot keys and keep missing the right key at the right time and have my arms open from each other.

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2007-06-07 19:46:46

Well for me Keyboard and mouse are much better. Can you really relax playing fps games on pad :P I just end up cursing all the time. Well not really but I am not enjoying it much.

C&C3 has quite good controls for the pad. At least I can play it. Although it might be because it is quite easy game but I would want my K&M support there too.

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2007-06-07 19:51:00

It's not weird at all. It's already been mentioned previously in this thread.. game pad users get a ton of auto-aim and other aiming aids to balance that all out. I literally have better accuracy in Shadowrun when I aim less. Now that's weird.

It's not all about the mouse either.. keyboards allow for more dynamic movement. Sure, you might not have analog movement, but that's more than made up for by the speed at which you can change your inputs, and the fact that you have the ability to go for more simultaneous inputs than you possibly could on a game pad.

You can prefer the joy pad all you want.. but it will never be better than a mouse and keyboard.

I'm not complaining about the game though.. I dig it so far. And it wouldn't be right to complain about the aiming aids.. unless you're just going on a console FPS rant :)

2007-06-07 19:57:32 In reply to GriftGFX (2007-06-07 19:51:00)

2007-06-07 20:11:56 In reply to TheBeagle (2007-06-07 19:57:32)

2007-06-07 20:20:30

I really like Shadow Run. I played the first training mission and had a blast. First training mission I've ever enjoyed in a game. I'll play the demo a bit more and see how I like it.

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2007-06-07 20:30:09

Nice to see some people enjoying the game. Me and a friend managed to get a good team together and were owning last night. Was best fun I've had online in some time.

2007-06-07 21:49:31 In reply to GriftGFX (2007-06-07 18:09:07)

2007-06-07 21:58:32 In reply to LEBATO (2007-06-07 21:49:31)

I thought it was on Gears but thats not FPS game :p

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2007-06-07 22:51:52 In reply to LEBATO (2007-06-07 21:49:31)

2007-06-07 22:53:19

Just what I thought about the KB/MS PR... "Gamepad is as good, even better, than a mouse!... [because we add a ton of hacks and user assists to take the skill out of the game]" PC FPS can be even easier when you have auto aim and magnatism assists as well. I don't mind an FPS designing for a gamepad -- non-linear rotation, time based panning acceleration, non-1:1 X:Y movement relationship, etc. This is called, "Designing to your platform". But auto-aim (hit the enemy even when your cross hair isn't on them) and magnatism (the closer you get your crosshair, the more attraction to draw your crosshair to the enemy becomes) and camera adhesion (once on an enemy the crosshair tends to stick to the enemy) are hacks, user assists, one may even say "cheats". Hence a number of FPS, even on the consoles (like TimeSplitters2) gives you a choice to disable these cheats.

These sort of user assists are like driving FM2 with all the driver assists on and they actually giving an advantage beyond adjusting to the platform limitations (e.g. beyond breaking help and gear shifty you also get better acceleration through gear shifts, more forgiving cornering, etc). Not that this is a bad thing, but completely irrelevant when comparing, say, a FF Wheel in a realistic driving situation to a gamepad with uber assists.

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2007-06-07 23:03:38

Whether you're waging war with 10.000 troops or combat eachother with rock paper scissors, it's fair game as long as everyone is stuck with the same method.

Whether you've got total lock on like Crackdown or you're required to adjust your little analogue stick with milimeter precision is pretty irrelevant. I wouldn't call one or the other "cheating". Do games that sport a more generous life bar than a realistic alternative warrant being called "cheats" or "hacks"?

Pitted against eachother, mouse/keyboard and gamepads will never really provide all gamers with a leveled playing field and I think the attempt to create just that is forfeit. At least with the comparably crazy auto aim, PC players have the option of turning to a standard 360 pad if they want the same treatment.

If anything I think this whole situation makes it all the more clear that introducing kb/m to the 360 would just be a bad idea.

Nevertheless, I think it's a bit unfair to diminish the skills of a Halo player on the Xbox to a "cheat". Turning off auto aim doesn't make him a better person unless the opponents he's facing don't have the option of having them on in the first place.

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2007-06-07 23:26:25

2007-06-07 23:41:13

Not everyone has their 360 connected to a monitor on a desk. Using mouse and keyboard from a fucking sofa isn't really ideal you know, and having to redecorate your entire gaming setup just to have some flat surfaces to put them on on isn't something people should have to do.

If you're in an office chair in front of your computer you could put a llama on there if you had to, holding a pad in that position isn't gonna require a complete overhaul.

I think the TV/sofa space is hopelessly inadequate if you want a PC style experience, and guess what, people that game there aren't looking for one.


Similarly, the "whining" about auto aim is completely weird. How is auto aim lame when actually using mouse and keyboard wouldn't be? How is it even different? Sure, there's this notion that somehow kb/m is the *parents of the FPS genre!* but that's an overly conservative and narrow minded mentality towards gaming in general. Games feel and play different for all sorts of reasons, and even though one way of making a game would result in a "more effective style of play/killing an opponent" doesn't mean that other games can't include obstacles and tweaks to slow down the game or shift focus to other aspects of it.

Halo on Xbox felt different from all other games in a good way largely thanks to the way it controlled. That's an alien thought to some people, that the exact same game with mouse and keyboard wouldn't strike the same chord - have the same chemistry but that's just the way it is.

Playing a light gun game like Virtua Cop or Time Crisis, the most "effective" way to play would be to push it up against the screen and skip that whole cumbersome act of AIMING, but that's not really what the game is about. In the pursuit of the most effective way to play games I wonder why they didn't make it that way....

Or do I?

EDIT: since you edited some of the edge off your post I'll just edit in some.. er.. cake and singing.

Ooooh, the spaace betweeeen.. the teeaars we cryyy-y-yyyyy.. is the lauuughter keeps us coming back for mooooore! *eats cake*

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2007-06-07 23:43:30

They'd be enhanced, but who here bought a 360 without knowing that they would have to use a gamepad ?