No sure if this got posted.

No achievements for Xbox games either

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/28881/No-Achievements-fo...

No it isn't. 1200 points is £10.20. Point proven perhaps but still.Of all the things to get upset about, there must be FAR worse things than this. Retailers buying your nearly new pre-owned games for a fraction of what they're worth and making a huge mark-up on them would be one. That kind of practice makes them a ton more money than MS does out of this and not just out of your pockets but out of developers as well.

Software emulation is what it is. It's a fucking difficult thing to do. Sony have decided they don't want to do it anymore and haven't even gone down the road of attempting full software emulation for the PS2. I don't recall too many people baying to pay an extra $100 for their 360's so MS could add in the hardware to make it work.

For all anybody knows; there could be a back-compat update next week that improves the performance for those titles. MS have been up front about any issues within and the pricing model isn't nearly simplistic as half of you are making out.

If nobody buys it because the product is crap there is no harm done!

I dunno man. This essentially boils down to selling broken games. If someone owns Fable already, slaps it in the drive and starts playing they'll immediately notice the flaws with it. It might upset them a bit sure, but they can just put it back on the pile of old games they've already played.

Here you're buying something straight off Live that goes right on your hard drive. If that doesn't work like you expect it to, well tough luck! Sure, you might argue that the issues are all there on the website for everyone to see, but not everyone will look. Does that make them suckers for "falling for it"?

Of all those games, and I've tried the lot as I own the lot already, I would consider Halo to be accurately emulated enough to warrant a tenner, but then again I really can't even play it on the 360 anymore since I use the VGA lead now.

On PSN you can get PSone classics, like someone already noted, and I fully expect those to be completely free from ANY issues that distinguish them from playing on an actual PSone. Any less than that and I'd be upset to no damn end, and with MS disclaimer of no refunds you'd be right fucked if you weren't satisfied.

Sure, a magical update might make them work for VGA users, fix the crazy sound bugs and slowdown in Fable, et cetera, but why not establish that first? Why put a list of "known issues" under your "Originals" section on the site if those problems will be taken care of? To me it smells like a way to be able to point to it later and say "well you can't expect them to work properly, it says right here they're a bit shite on there".

I pity the people who jump on this, I really do. BC is laughable enough as it is, and that's for free. Now they're charging for the misery, seemingly hoping people won't be clued in enough to avoid it.

I'd prolly apologising for missing the point, rather.

I'm not on about the price, I don't care one bit about that. What bothers me is that if you buy something on Live you can't get your money back. This, added with the plethora of ISSUES with the emulation of these games means it's essentially a TRAP.

Does it bother me that someone buys Fable in good faith and ends up with a stuttering, occasionally soundless mess? Yeah it actually sort of does.

Yeah that's not likely. DLC so far is basically crap, and enough people bought into it.You're right.. not being able to sell your software second hand, or return software that you're displeased with (especially if you're displeased with its performance) is much worse. At least Steam lets you give your software to another user. Sure it's against their user agreement to sell it to another user, but it's still a start. It's also much worse that they've given us little feedback on the future of our purchases. I'm not willing to assume anything when it comes to DLC--especially with Microsoft. This has already burned some early adopters into their scheme who got involved on the original Xbox, so I'm not sure why anyone would have any incentive to assume that it won't end up that way again.

I already own well over a dozen XBLA games, and I wouldn't be shocked if less than half of them are ever available on another platform with a transfered license of some sort. Hell, GeoWars is available for Windows, yet the XBLA for Windows is still missing in action, and we've had no indication that the entire library will even cross over. A little information would go a long way in making me feel better about purchasing more games.Now that I'm all over.

That was my point, I dunno how it could be worse than it was when I meant it. :O

Isn't it a tile placement board game? Haven't played it yet, but I can't imagine how that's anything like Uno.

You could pay 99 cents for the first month of gametap, play a better version of Psychonauts, and demo hundreds of other games while you're at it. I don't see the problem with people complaining. Sure, it's not as bad as gamerpics and themes, but the whole DLC system that MS has in their marketplace is just really no good for the consumer.. and part of the problem is that there seem to be less smart consumers out there than consumer whores.. so it's only getting worse.

And I dunno, that's fine if you like it.. but I think I regret ~50% of my XBLA purchases already personally. That money adds up pretty quickly. If there is no real ownership over this material, shouldn't there be some sort of rental system instead? I don't mind it much if we're guaranteed transfer of these licenses to other platforms in the future.. but MS hasn't even hinted at the future of our purchases. They just seem to be banking on the fact that most consumers aren't thinking ahead.

I only use gametap as an example because I think it's a fantastic service. You can even suspend your account now when you're not using it to save money.. and honestly, I've wasted money on gametap and it's still been worth it. You can buy a years worth now for $60. I'm going to cancel my account and do that when Sam & Max Season 2 is completely out. There's 1000 games in their library and you get access to all of them for a pretty reasonable subscription fee. But it's certainly not the only alternative to schemes like this that make more sense and represent a much better value.

If you're not into the online rental thing, or you're looking for titles that aren't available in their library, there are still alternatives. You can get the retail version of Fable for $10 new and you'll know that you're always going to own it--or you can buy the PC version for the same price, and know there will always be a compatible platform available and own a superior edition of the game. Ditto for Psychonauts.

Okay.

I can't relate to the worry that they won't be viable on Xbox 3, because for me personally I've never expected to be able to play a game on more than the console it came out for. You can get a mem card and store your games on that and never worry about hard disk failure or anything, and they'll be as safe as games on cartridges used to be.

I do however think it's a bit of a dirty tactic that they're bound to the very system they were first put on. If your Xbox breaks down or you wanna upgrade to an Elite or something, they'll forever require connecting to the net. And sure, that works now, but will it always?

In that sense I can join in with the worry, but apart from that I'm not too bothered. Sure, games distributed in the traditional way you could resell, but do we really expect any kind of digitally distributed content, music or other, to be?

Sure that's a bummer, but it's really the nature of the thing rather than bad MS doing its bad MS thing. Let's be brutally honest, when the 360 is dead (already even) all of this stuff will be pirated to hell and back, so you can prolly sort it somehow anyway. Abandonware and all that vagueness.

Not that I condone piracy of course.

It's a big enough deal to me. I care about backwards compatibility too.1) I don't support iTunes either.
2) Piracy isn't a viable solution in this conversation. You can pirate this stuff now, and that doesn't make the fact that it's more or less bullshit any better.

My biggest gripe with DLC is the portability (as in, platform portability) of your ownership.. because without it their more or less glorified rentals. If I didn't care about the future of my purchases, I wouldn't purchase games very often, I'd just rent them. The way I see it, MS needs to do two things to get me off their back: MS needs to make it possible to at least give your license to another account (at least then I might be able to trade TMNT (*puke*) to some poor sucker for slightly better arcade game); and they need to ensure that there's a future for all DLC purchases, either on Windows (ideal solution, especially for the arcade and Xbox 1 games) or on the next Xbox.Oh.. that's lame. But it's still just an example. An original copy of Fable or Psychonauts is still cheaper and they're both still compatible with the 360 :P