PGR4 flying under the radar?

Scarface
Scarface
Since 6811 Days
Posted by Isomac
good night PGR
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LEBATO - IS WRONG
LEBATO
Since 6946 Days
Posted by Isomac
Hmn........I don't know if it doesn't sound too good because of the fact that it is a change or something else. Hopefully, and I thought MS owned it, PGR stays Xbox exclusive and a high quality game. I'll be very very disappointed if not.

But that doesn't mean much though, if Bizarre/Activision don't want to make the game they just won't, which would be a shame.

Regardless, it really doesn't look good at all.
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LEBATO - IS WRONG
LEBATO
Since 6946 Days
To contrast the bad news, GOOD NEWS!!!!!

Official Xbox 360 Mag Review scores:

Halo 3: 9/10
PGR4: 10/10

:D

No link for you, it was posted in the BC forums and confirmed by Ben from BC.
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szaromir
szaromir
Since 6581 Days
Seems like Acert was right a while back.

This is the last PGR since they will work on 2 new IPs...:( Even though MS probably owns the IP, it still doesn't mean much if the guys behind it won't make it.
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LEBATO - IS WRONG
LEBATO
Since 6946 Days
Posted by szaromir
Seems like Acert was right a while back.

This is the last PGR since they will work on 2 new IPs...:( Even though MS probably owns the IP, it still doesn't mean much if the guys behind it won't make it.
"Both of our two main game teams are about to start work on two new AAA titles for Activision. One will be a racing game, and the other a character game"

New doesn't necessarily mean new IP. I still have hope for a new PGR.
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SimonM7 - The other mod's bitch
SimonM7
Since 6847 Days
They said on the forums that PGR is in MS hands now, and even if they decide to do something with it it won't be developed by Bizarre anymore.

I just hope they DO continue the series, because while there's merit in having the same developer do the game over and over, once you have a great base for it and a previous title to live up to and expand on, they just need to put it in capable hands.

I'm not devastated as long as it comes out and is a good game, I will be though if it goes the Rallisport way and just... fucking.. disappears entirely. *Still upset about no RSC3*

Then again, Bizarre is working on a new racer. So what if it's multiplatform as long as it's great. I just kinda doubt they'll be able to quite find that frequency of cool that PGR hit, without making a carbon copy with a new name. Which they've arguably already did with PGR1. :)
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Inflatable
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Since 7462 Days
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Posted by SimonM7
I'm not devastated as long as it comes out and is a good game, I will be though if it goes the Rallisport way and just... fucking.. disappears entirely. *Still upset about no RSC3*
I'm thinking the same way.. I'll be very upset if this BC takeover by Activision means yet another good racinggameseries gone on the Xbox ala RSC.. It would be a very stupid move by MS imho..
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LEBATO - IS WRONG
LEBATO
Since 6946 Days
That's awful, that's just BAD. Sad day for racing games fans, for me anyways.
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szaromir
szaromir
Since 6581 Days
BTW PGR4 got 10/10 in OXM UK (Bioshock earlier too, Halo 3 got 9/10).
http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/News-70423.aspx
Damn, "losing" their best racing franchise is not the best way to go, Microsoft. Couple that with no Crackdown 2 in development and you could think something's wrong with Microsoft...
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LEBATO - IS WRONG
LEBATO
Since 6946 Days
Posted by szaromir
BTW PGR4 got 10/10 in OXM UK (Bioshock earlier too, Halo 3 got 9/10).
http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/News-70423.aspx
Damn, "losing" their best racing franchise is not the best way to go, Microsoft. Couple that with no Crackdown 2 in development and you could think something's wrong with Microsoft...
No crackdown 2? Really?
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Inflatable
Inflatable
Since 7462 Days
Posted by LEBATO
That's awful, that's just BAD. Sad day for racing games fans, for me anyways.
Lets just wait and see.. I don't mind if PGR goes multiplatform because of this, but it would suck major ass if the series just dissapears like RSC did..

It's not good for MS anyway, because PGR (+online) was one of the main reasons I bought a Xbox and Xbox 360.. If that's gone or I can play the game on Playstation aswell together with games like GT etc I might be seriously looking at PS4 as my next console instead of the next Xbox.. But we're not there yet, like I said, lets just wait and see what happens.. PGR4 still has to come out first aswell..
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SimonM7 - The other mod's bitch
SimonM7
Since 6847 Days
Halo is really the only franchise Microsoft handled 100% right. I could easily name... I dunno.. maybe six franchises they simply let die, when they could easily be additional flagship titles today. I sincerely doubt they'll stop making PGR games though, that'd be weird way out of proportion.

Then again, you'd think not making RSC3 is similarly insane. It's all about money though, and I'm not convinced either PGR or RSC were ever big incomes for MS. I seem to recall Bizarre being disappointed with how PGR3 did, and that was even a launch title.. so I guess you never know.
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Inflatable
Inflatable
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Well, if MS wants to make their Xbox the Halo-playing device, or just for big selling franshices, they can keep their next one.. Like I said, if they lose to many franshices that I like then I'll probably won't buy the next Xbox, it's as simple as that.. And if Playstation doesn't offer anything worthwile for me aswell (besides GT) then it's back to PC-only gaming for me, no problem..

I didn't buy Halo3 this week, I bought Company of Heroes Opposing Fronts for PC.. A brilliant game the average Halo fan probably never even heard of, and that will probably sell less then 5% of what Halo3 will sell.. But aslong as there are developers and publishers willing to make those less profitable games, I'm happy.. It's still not all about the money thankfully..
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szaromir
szaromir
Since 6581 Days
Posted by LEBATO
No crackdown 2? Really?
Yup
http://www.developmag.com/news/28421/Realtime-Worl...
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anm8rjp
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Since 7521 Days
Bizarre Creations, best known for Geometry Wars and the Project Gotham Racing series, has been acquired by Activision. The first Bizarre Creations game to be published under Activision isn't expected until 2009. In the meantime, Bizarre Creations will complete work on Project Gotham Racing 4 for Microsoft and The Club for Sega. It's always difficult to see an independent developer snapped up by a big publisher, though Bizarre Creations is quick to allay the fears of fans. A blog post on the Bizarre Creations website promises that Activision will have a "hands off" relationship with the company and that all the teams will remain intact. As the post puts it, "We won't become Activision Liverpool or anything like that." Le's hope not. We all know what happened to Irrational.

So, Activision has reunited the Sex Pistols and purchased Bizarre Creations. What's next?

via
http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2007/09/26/activision...
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LEBATO
Since 6946 Days
wow........

I wasn't expecting Crackdown 2 in 2008 or anything, but this really brings up the question.............what does MS have for 2008? Especially in terms of 1st party? Halo Wars and Banjo?
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anm8rjp
anm8rjp
Since 7521 Days
Posted by LEBATO
wow........

I wasn't expecting Crackdown 2 in 2008 or anything, but this really brings up the question.............what does MS have for 2008? Especially in terms of 1st party? Halo Wars and Banjo?
Yeah, I try not to dwell on it, or I get depressed. Hopefully MS will release some info. Otherwise, I'll pick up a lot of great titles from this Fall, that I'll have to miss, because of the flood of titles, still left in 2007.
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RAZurrection
RAZurrection
Since 6697 Days
Posted by LEBATO
what does MS have for 2008? Especially in terms of 1st party? Halo Wars and Banjo?
Alan Wake
Banjo-Threeie
Fable 2
Marvel Universe Online
Ninja Gaiden 2
Lost Odyssey
Infinite Undiscovery
Halo Wars
Too Human
Cryon

Shane Kim hinted at Gears 2 yesterday and I think you can expect to see something else from Rare other than BK, we'll probably see some 'casual' rip-offs of Singstar/yearly update of Scene It and more XBLA games as well as the Japanese crap no-one else cares to publish (Tenchu Z, Sylpheed), but they aren't really worth counting (on any platform)

On topic MS has responded RE: future PGRs

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=1757...

"[UPDATE 2] GameDaily BIZ contacted Microsoft and a spokesperson said, "Bizarre Creations has been an great partner for Microsoft Game Studios and we wish them nothing but the best in the future. Project Gotham Racing is a signature racing franchise for Xbox 360 and Xbox LIVE and we plan to continue the series but we have nothing further to announce."

Maybe they'll form their own studio to continue it.
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szaromir
szaromir
Since 6581 Days
Posted by RAZurrection
Shane Kim hinted at Gears 2 yesterday
He gave an interview yesterday? Could you give a link? I like his interviews, he's quite level-headed.

BTW it seems BC are quite fond of jumping on multiplatform development.
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RAZurrection
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Since 6697 Days
Posted by szaromir
He gave an interview yesterday? Could you give a link? I like his interviews, he's quite level-headed.
Yep, really great interview IMO.

http://www.gameplayer.com.au/Home/FEATURES/FEATURE...
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szaromir
szaromir
Since 6581 Days
Posted by RAZurrection
Yep, really great interview IMO.
Thank you. Damn, this guy certainly is very honest:
"Perfect Dark Zero sold a lot of units, even though it wasn’t the most critically acclaimed title and I’ll admit that"

:)
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Acert93 - Mr. Bad Cop
Acert93
Since 6795 Days
1. BC going MP was written on the wall. The Sega deal was a, "Put up or shut up" moment for MS. PGR sales have always been "good but not great". From MS's perspective you could argue it would cost too much to aquire them; from BC's perspective being exclusive but not internal means lower than ideal sales.

2. Oh gross... MS is gonna continue PGR with ANOTHER developers YUCK! Just let it die MS, let it die... "I" was right that MS owned the PGR IP (grape vine info). I think the series is a little extended and it just doesn't have the profile of a NFS or Burnout series. What, is MS going to let Turn10 make a PGR game... again, oh YUCK!

3. MS should have given BC the Bungie treatment. Didn't I just say the PGR games were good but not great sellers? Technologically no one is showing off the 360 like BC has, and their games are good. MS needs a studio to justify their platforms, and they also need a "Top of Class" racer for the mainstream. MS has Bungie and then... nothing better than BC. Lionhead is a good studio, but inconsistant. Ensemble is a good RTS maker, just not great. And RTS is still a smallish genre on the consoles. Turn10 is slow and while having a nice vision has issues executing. And Rare... ok, so BC would have been the 2nd best MS internal studio.

BC is actually quite tech savvy, has some really great tools, and can make consistantly good games. Leveraging such into the Xbox 3 and allowing them to work on some new IPs could have been a big win for MS. The idea of BC making a HUGE photorealistic city on the Xbox3 that is some sort of shooter or GTA game... drool!!!

4. Sigh... another good dev eaten alive by a large 3rd party pub. I guess Activision could use some racer action to go up against NFS.

Crappy news IMO. Essentially, MS gave BC the "NO" and BC had to find a publisher solution. I do wonder, as Moore was quite a BC fan, if he was around if things would have been different?

Any way you cut it: MS better figure out their internal studio issues... fast.
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SimonM7 - The other mod's bitch
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PGR will continue, says eurogamer. Well MS said it and eurogamer just rephrased it.. those.. bloody... journalists!
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Acert93
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Posted by SimonM7
PGR will continue, says eurogamer. Well MS said it and eurogamer just rephrased it.. those.. bloody... journalists!
And it should die.

Seriously, WHO is gonna make a PGR game good enough to follow PGR4???
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szaromir
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You could say that Microsoft dropped the ball on this. I don't know what how good/bad the Shitstorm team is, though assuming if they are as talented as the racing team their action games would be triple A (The Club probably won't be, but maybe it's limited by funding? Then again I don't think I have seen any gameplay footage). Of course they make excellent Arcade games, too...

Maybe Bizarre people themselves wanted to join Activision, because they saw better future going that way. they seem quite fond of going multiplatform, and judging on some early comments on their forum their next racing game will not be MSR/PGR style. Seeing as NFS sells 5M-8M copies every year, they might pursuit that market.

As for PGR - I think Microsoft will either grow Turn 10 or they will outsource it to an independent studio - Eden Games would be the best bet IMO - they are creators of Test Drive Unlimited and Need for Speed Porsche.
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