2007-07-07 03:43:54 Gears Of War for Vista

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/8080...

2007-07-07 03:46:45

Well, I guess it was just a matter of time.

2007-07-07 04:16:30

Is it just me or did those animations look smoother? Not to mention the new content. I'm buying this. And I'm using it with my 360 gamepad :D.

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2007-07-07 04:20:43

No surprises here.. except that it's Vista only. I'll wait for the XP patch.

Live anywhere? Sorta surprised w/ the Vista thing. Didn't think Epic would be jumping on that bandwagon so soon.

2007-07-07 04:41:54

Vista only? Phff. Even if my PC could run it, I wouldn't run it just because of that.

2007-07-07 05:08:14

Guaranteed a patch will come out that makes it work on XP -- just like Halo 2 and Shadowrun.

2007-07-07 06:05:16

Guess thats all the stuff cut from the 360 version?

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2007-07-07 12:19:21

No fair :(. Looks like that version has quite a large slice of single player content that we didnt get to play. Lame.

2007-07-07 12:52:08

That is a piece of shit.
Why the fuck didn't we get to fight the Brumak.

Fucking M$ made that version better so we'd switch.

What the hell are the gonna do with Halo 3 then, pump it out 2 months after the 360 release and say "These graphics are only possible on Vista"

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2007-07-07 13:37:55

Well this is the weird ladder like situation with the 360. MS wants that to sell, so they're pouring resources into making it look as good as possible for as long as possible, then they step IN THE FACE of 360 consumers to propel Windows forward, because at the end of the day that is vastly more important for them.

I think this kinda practice will become more and more common, and with Gears it was super obvious. Everything in that game catered to a mouse/keyboard setup from the very beginning with no sign of analogue input anywhere and actions pretty much focused on a single button.

A = space
RT = right mouse button
LT = left mouse button
RB = r
left analogue = w a s d

At least it'll play just as well.

Personally, in regards to Microsoft's first party games - shooters in particular - I'm gonna freeze my heart Han Solo Star Wars style and hope they don't invent an elaborate scheme of breaking it anyhow.

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2007-07-07 14:45:20

1. its either DLC
2. vista only
3. or both

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2007-07-07 15:04:47

Action focused on a single button is a distinctive console trait, not a PC trait Simon!

Hopefully for 360 owners they either get free DLC for the new content or GOW2 includes it as an extra pack in. Of course 360 owners got the game a year ahead -- and didn't have to buy Vista. And PC owners probably need some updated hardware and will have to shell out $50 for Live. Don't look for this to be a huge seller by any means! Old game, limited install base.

If anything this is a slap in PC gamer faces. I am not quite sure why console gamers are upset: Does this detract from the value of Gears in 2006? Nope.

@ Grift: On Live, I am sure Epic had little choice with MS being the publisher.

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The fans have spoken. Concerning the graphics of the Halo 3 Beta: "There's so many little effects and things going on that make this game pretty much 2nd only to Gears at the moment."

2007-07-07 15:27:00

I'm not talking about strategy games here though. Not about Mechwarrior or RPGs with tons of clicking everywhere and binding macros.

The reason the core gameplay of first person shooters hasn't branched out more is because the PC setup of controlling your character with wasd locks down your hand to a certain, *digital*, area for actions woven into the game. A game like Gears if developed with traditional console means, spacing out actions for diving, taking cover, and sprinting all over the gamepad would never have worked on the PC properly, and the fact that despite the analogue nature of console pads, Marcus either walks slowly or shifts to running - both at a set pace - pretty much gave it away long in advance.

This isn't about an inventory interface or having loads of buttons all over for turning on flashlights or toggling other things out of the heat of battle. I actually applaud the fact that Epic have created a game that'll show that even PC shooters can break away from the mold in terms of that core action mechanic and not just rely on environmental differences and whether you can blow up this or that.

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2007-07-07 17:02:02

Analog movement is so damn over rated.. WASD FTW. BUT this game is perfectly suited to a gamepad -- if there's any shooter I'd hook use a joypad for on the PC (which would make me feel dirty) it's this.

2007-07-07 17:17:42 In reply to GriftGFX (2007-07-07 17:02:02)

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2007-07-07 17:21:17 In reply to SimonM7 (2007-07-07 17:17:42)

2007-07-07 17:36:47

Input wise it totally translates. They're both digital, as in not "over rated analog controls".

I also know that the difference is as significant as button input on an arcade stick. The fact that you have your fingers hovering over the keys means it's more precise than a d-pad would be.

However, discrediting analogue movement is a pretty major statement, and one I disagree with on the most fundamental level. It has an impact on animation in games, precision in games, and gives birth to entire genre defining mechanics. MGS and Splinter Cell both illustrate the difference their roots in input mehods made.

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2007-07-07 18:21:31 In reply to SimonM7 (2007-07-07 17:36:47)

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The fans have spoken. Concerning the graphics of the Halo 3 Beta: "There's so many little effects and things going on that make this game pretty much 2nd only to Gears at the moment."

2007-07-07 18:37:45

I see no distinction between Halo on Xbox and Gears on the 360. The "hold for precision aim" mechanic instead of chucking grenades on the left trigger doesn't change anything. Gears is very much - like you yourself campaigned for in a thread a while ago - a first person shooter in another perspective.

It never took advantage of the fact that moving across the plethora of buttons on a gamepad, loads of which have analogue input and thus can enable way more subtle controls than the bold strokes of a digital setup, is completely natural. Instead it focused all its attention on as small a space on there as possible - which indeed lead to a very unique playing, brilliant shooter - and that means it'll translate PERFECTLY to PC.

Unlike for instance Splinter Cell. Or Ghost Recon/Rainbow Six Vegas, both of which employ analogue movement in everything they do, like peeking over crates seamlessly by pressing little or a lot on the triggers.

I think you're understanding me a bit backwards here. I'm not saying consoles are better for multiple buttons, but if you had to do basic maneuvers like dives or taking cover (which is the norm these days when you move into third person perspectives) on buttons on the keyboard that sit away from the normal movement buttons it'd feel awkward. There's a reason Max Payne can't walk nor crouch.

Ask Starbreeze why Riddick turned out like it did too.

EDIT: I should also point out that I did recognize the difference between a d-pad and wasd in my last post. I used arcade sticks as an example. Four buttons on an arcade stick are way more precise than the way you generally hold a gamepad, because your fingers rest on all four simultaniously.

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2007-07-07 18:53:27

I'm really fucking tired of having every decent 360 exclusive game I buy being ported to the PC.

2007-07-07 18:59:34 In reply to Freniger (2007-07-07 18:53:27)

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2007-07-07 19:10:58 In reply to Freniger (2007-07-07 18:53:27)

2007-07-07 19:17:23 In reply to SimonM7 (2007-07-07 18:37:45)

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The fans have spoken. Concerning the graphics of the Halo 3 Beta: "There's so many little effects and things going on that make this game pretty much 2nd only to Gears at the moment."

2007-07-07 19:33:13

:(

I'm not taking the piss with PC games here, I'm not saying one is better than the other. I realise that PC FPS are more complex. You just have to be seeing my point here but ignoring it.

Some games suit the different platforms less, respectively. Games like Splinter Cell was never a good fit for PC because it took advantage of too many console specific features. It wasn't just restricted to the number of buttons on a gamepad, it took advantage of the fact that triggers were analogue, that the sticks were analogue, and the different buttons' vicinity to one another.

Meanwhile, Gears does NOT use any console specific features, and its conservative, digital wasd nature aswell as limiting its core movement input to a select few buttons means that the transition to PC will be absolutely seamless. The difference, the sole difference, will be increased accuracy.

I'm not even saying this is a bad thing, I dunno why using examples of poor PC games screwed up by consoles is neccessary. I'm just saying it was telling that they'd want to put it on PC down the line.

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2007-07-07 20:31:22 In reply to SimonM7 (2007-07-07 17:36:47)