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just lost more hype , they need to fix the graphics and the framerate.

It looks like the cross development of the PS3 version has caused some problems for the rest of us gamers. The framerate is just awful. And anyone who owns Saint's Row will tell you, SR looks much better than this. Really? Yep.

Don't matter though. This game is going to dominate all that is gaming. All who oppose this game shall die.

When am I supposed to kill myself?

omg gfx totally kicks ass... as well as physics and lightning... cant wait..

Magnificent.

http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/5674/1077...

This image above really shows that this is good-looking game and that the art direction is really above average, that setting just breathes with style and life, from the color-scheme to the people in the backround sitting on the bench talking,the shapes and lighting and depth-off field...this is what makes this game look so good.

This cap is not so flatterin' thoug: http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/5674/1077...

But yeah, once peolpe get their little hand-on with this one, and they start playing it they will know why we all have waited this for so long and why it will be so worth the wait.

In Rockstar I trust.

Compare this one..
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/...
With this one..
http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/5674/1077...
Or
http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/5674/1077...
Now tell me if you see ANY texture quality difference between the two. You can't even compare..

I hope it's as close as they've come yet..

In my opinion, GTA is a bad game. Bad graphics, bad animation, bad controls, bad gameplay. I don't doubt that a large portion of the people who bought it did so because of the controversy that used to surround it.

The first GTA was revolutionary...GTAIII was simply a logical step that didn't do much all that well. I agree that a lot of games do borrow from GTA(though I don't necessarily equate "sandbox game" with "GTA clone")...and most of them are trash as a result.

GTA also spurred the torrent of one of the most annoying criticisms a game can have: "It's too linear!" Well shit..if having a cohesive gameplay experience that has a beginning, middle, and end without the need for tacked-on, playtime-extending side quests is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

hmmmm, no.........more like Donnie Brasco than anything else. The trailer basically sounds like a story you could read about the Russian Mafia that's based in Brighton Beach, New York.

As for you not liking certain urban settings for GTA games, I would say get used to Rockstar bouncing all over the place for more urban story settings. Next time it could be Mexican cartels, Chinese triads, Japanese Yakuza, Armenian, or Vietnamese as central figures.

Gangsters are gangsters, it really doesn't matter who they are

I actually agree to a certain extent with you Ronsauce. I agree that freedom is very over rated in games and I agree that GTA sort of introduced the notion that freedom = better.

I also agree that GTA is a terrible game if you divide it into little segments. The controls are bad, the visuals (though at GTA3 very pretty) aged super fast with San Andreas looking considerably worse in a lot of ways than Vice City did.

But the thing is, it's also a game that is much more impressive overall than if you look at the different aspects of it. It has a difficult-to-top class about it, with a tongue in cheek approach to everything. A clever sense of self irony, often making fun of itself but not in an annoying way. It's also easy to be fed up with the whole "gangstah" thing that EA went for 100%, but upon closer inspection NONE of the GTAs fall victim to blatant exploitation of the "gangstah" culture, not even San Andreas.

I think if there's a problem with GTA3 then it's that it has very little in the way of emotional investment in your character. He's a total mute and has no sense of direction whatsoever, and while some people are into the whole "giving him personality with your imagination" thing, that always sounded a bit like a bad excuse to me. This was totally adressed in Vice City though, with a proper main character with proper balls. In San Andreas they took the motivation bit even further, and unlike GTA3 there was a much more tangible sense of actually going somewhere whenever you felt that you wanted to be a part of the main plot.

The fact that the controls never once improved over the course of the GTA3 trilogy is something I'll readily agree is pretty scandalous, but at the same time there is something admirable about having a solid foundation and changing the content in such significant ways. Quick cash-in tactics some would suggest, but I personally think it's a much more reasonable way than updating the engine over the course of 2 years and then releasing something virtually identical anyway - without the increase and/or significant change in content. That the controls of GTA3 largely sucked ultimately made for an annoying side-effect, but I think the trade off was worth it.

am i the only one that noticed the big graphicall differance between the first trailer and this one?
Saints Row looks better ..much better

I hope they're using ragdolls and dynamic/blended animations at least as nicely as Saints Row did, but have better physics/driving. Otherwise it will be a so-so looking GTA game with nothing new.

oh really? What's this:

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/...

http://www.gfdata.de/archiv06-2006-gamefront/Saint...

http://files.xboxic.com/xbox-360/saints-row/40617....

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/...

http://www.gfdata.de/archiv06-2006-gamefront/Saint...

I can even find more.



I don't deny that GTA4 might have a better art STYLE than SR, but techinically speaking, GTA4 aint doing nothing new.

U found the ugliest screen of SR humanly imaginable, then took the only TWO screens in the entire GTA4 trailer that don't look like complete ass, and then expect us to fall for it? Try again.

Guys, Saints Row runs like the worst turd in the history of next-gen. If GTAIV runs as poorly, THEN you are free to compare. Until then we can hope GTA runs at a somewhat steady 30fps (at least on the 360 :P).

haha pause at 38 seconds. you can see someone kicking someone on the ground

...WOW, that made me laugh. Did you even play Andreas? or at least see screen shots? San Andreas is the epitome of ''gangstah culture'' homie.

http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/611/611957/img_2429...
http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/611/611957/img_2126...
http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/611/611957/img_2261...
http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/611/611957/img_2261...
http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/611/611957/img_2261...
http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/611/611957/img_2284...
http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/611/611957/img_2402...
http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/611/611957/img_2429...
...thug life 4 eva yo. Macavelli R.I.P.

So.. what exactly is wrong with that anyway? GTA prides itself on satire, and handles these issues rather tastefully compared to something like Saints Row.. which just blurts out racist catch phrases around every corner to be edgy. I don't see what's wrong about focusing on a GANG CULTURE, regardless of where it comes from.

Is it somehow better to play some Italian mobster? A Miami drug lord? All of the GTA games play off of a pretty obvious movie driven theme (up until now).. SA is no exception.

People sure do love to hate themselves some GTA. It's a wonder this franchise is as popular as it is.

Some of you speak negative about GTA as if your opinion is what most people think... I'll tell you this, its not.

First lets look at the 'FACTS'.

It is completly obvious GTA has a huge fanbase, much larger then Halo.
GTAIII / GTA:VC / GTA:SA have all sold almost double that of Halo and Halo2.

Halo 1 : 6~ million
Halo 2 : 7~ million
GTA III: 12~ million
GTA VC: 14~ million
GTA SA: 15~ million

So some of you might think the sequels/newer GTA's might not be as good as the older ones, but a majority of people think different, as you can see in those numbers. If VC was crap compared to III, people wouldn't have bought SA... but more people bought SA.

I know these are numbers, and numbers dont always represent everything... but numbers like these, show a lot.

We all know GTA is known for its amazing gameplay. A gameplay no other GTA type game can match... So whether or not this game has amazing graphics... I can assure you the gameplay will be stunning. With games like GTA, Screenshots dont do it justice, its once you get in and play.

I'm sure there will be many unique features (nongraphically) that Rockstar has up there sleeve in gameplay thatl make us amazed... so wait til you see everything :D

But this is just my opinion slightly based on facts

I make a distinction between using something as a setting and just exploiting the projected "crime is cool" MTV music video version of "the hood". I think San Andreas does it with more class and finesse than any of EA's nigh on parodic attempts (except for the most part they aren't aware of it, nor deliberately laughable), and never once does it feel like it's just capitalising on the hip hop wave. Even the music reflects that it's not mirroring the most recent top 10 on the charts, but rather paying homage to the mid 90s.

Saint's Row has a good story once you cut through the absolutely insulting exterior, but compared to the way GTA juggles its themes and satirical comments it's just completely ham-fisted.

Please don't compare SR with GTA. SR is just... bad. I played it to the bitter end and hated it. Where is the story? It tries to take itself serious and fails horribly. The main character has NO personality at all, he's just some puppet doing the dirty work for others without moving his eyelid. C.J. on the other hand was a superb character. You felt like you were one of these "gangsters" like you said, it was just more authentic than anything SR could come up.

That's why I hate the idea of character customisation, you'll never get 100% out of the story with things like that. Same goes for missions. Being able to do them in diffrent ways and in a diffrent order, most of the time, is just enough freedom. When you watch a movie you don't choose who plays in it and how the story is told. Such movies would be just horrible, so why is everyone complaining about these things? I play GTA for the story, the gameplay is lacking but it's still a great game. At least they can improve the gameplay, and I'm pretty shure they didn't use the same GTA 3 sheme.

As for the graphics: I take better style over allegendly technical superiority. The video showed me that again. Graphics are not everything, especialy in such a game when there is more weight towards other things, like the story.

yeah this game will have good graphics. they have around 120+ people or so working on this game right now and they still have 4 months to complete it. so expect this game to look way better when it comes out.

only complaint i have about this game is how empty the streets look compared to the last trailer and older screenshots. just take a look at some of the images on this site instead of the trailer and you will see how a lot of the street scenes are empty. it could be taken from a cutscene and cleared the road for it but yeah for a city based on new york it should be packed with cars and people. but thats not a big concern of mine i just want this game bad.

has a nice style and feel to it, but a texture as low-res as the wall in this shot:
http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/5674/1077...
has no place in a next-gen game...

Funny, it didn't seem like anybody was trying to speak for everyone.You are right, they don't represent everything. How many more PS2s are out there than Xboxes? Wikipedia lists between 5-6 times more PS2s out there than Xboxes. Gee, I wonder if that had anything to do with it. Also, numbers don't mean shit when it comes to quality. Blood Diamond, an amazing movie, has grossed around $57 million as of April 1st in the USA and was released last December. Ghost Rider, a big piece of shit movie, raked in around $114 million and has been out for a shorter period of time. You'd think that Ghost Rider was a good movie based on the numbers, but once again, they don't mean shit.Don't underestimate the power of pandering. More people would've bought SA simply because it was all "gangstah up in this herre joint, yo!" I doubt quality played much of a part.GTA is known for amazing gameplay? Really? I've always found it sloppy and a bit of a chore to play. I'd have to say that the gameplay is one of the worst aspects of it. How can you make such an assurance?The only facts you've presented are the sale figures, so you're saying that your opinion of GTA is slightly based on the fact that it sold well?