X360 Sunday, February 25, 2007 | 4:44 AM

Force Feedback Wheel and PGR3 in motion

Force Feedback Wheel and PGR3 in motion

Since early 2007 is quite slow in terms of news, we've decided to take a closer look to the unused material we left from GSD4. As a starter, here are two laps of PGR3 (each in a different map), with footage of Pipomantis and I using the Force Feedback Wheel incrusted with a picture-in-picture effect. Caution: do not try to play this bad at home.


Video 360 FFB Wheel + PGR3
Download: AVI

All comments

Commented on 2007-02-25 05:15:37
Man I need to get one of these, probably will together with Forza release.

Thanks for the video!
Commented on 2007-02-25 05:16:18
I'm at the edge of my seat! (sarcasm)
Commented on 2007-02-25 05:27:28
i'll get the wheel when the price comes down
Commented on 2007-02-25 05:32:46
Yeah i bought it for myself for Christmas(lol), i love it, got me playing PG3 again. Cant wait for Forza 2.
Commented on 2007-02-25 09:31:52
Awesome, was that Jpop track (music) in the PGR3 itself? Never heard it.. it sounds awesome :P
Commented on 2007-02-25 10:07:47
I'm waiting till. they package the wheel with Forza 2 (maybey a bit more expensive then it is now but that is ok). I already have PGR3, but time will tell :P.
Commented on 2007-02-25 10:35:31
SWEET~~!
Commented on 2007-02-25 12:03:21
I have the wheel and its a must buy its sooooooo much better..
Commented on 2007-02-25 12:21:39
I enjoy my wheel. Games that don't support it properly still benefit from the improved controls..to be honest I've been playing just about any racer I can lately just to get more use out of it. Can't wait for Forza 2.
Commented on 2007-02-25 12:50:37
Does anyone own this wheel as well as a PC wheel like the Logitech Momo or DFP? if so how does the Force Feedback compare?
Commented on 2007-02-25 13:45:54 In reply to bramski
Posted by bramski
Does anyone own this wheel as well as a PC wheel like the Logitech Momo or DFP? if so how does the Force Feedback compare?
I've had DFP, and this wheel compares quite good to it; although; the DFP is better is some areas. 900 degrees of turning angle in DFP, this wheel has only 300. Also; this wheel feels a lot cheeper, a lot more plastic. I also had problem with my NEW wheel did a mis-sound every time i tilted it a little bit from left to right, a mechanical sound quite loud. Loud enough for me to change it back at the electronic store a bought it =/
I can say that I PERSONALY was NOT quite satisfied with this Microsoft 360 wheel, although it is better than any other wheen they had before.

But I also has this one on the PC:
Logitech G25 Racing Wheel
http://www.cyberindian.net/wp-content/uploads/logi...

And I mean, this wheel just OWNS every other wheel, so my point of view have been a little corrupt since i bought that one...

Also I think GTR2 just OWNS every other racing game out there. To quote their official website:

http://gtr-game.10tacle.com/fileadmin/gtr2/images/...
(it is so true, almost as true as WoW is damaging your view on other RPGs, or something)


EDIT: Btw, to answer your question; the force feedback is almost as good as the DFP, but just in ONE game to this point; PGR3. The other driving games does not have the same feeling to it (TDU, NSP).
Commented on 2007-02-25 13:49:57 In reply to ZeppSWE
Posted by ZeppSWE
I've had DFP, and this wheel compares quite good to it; although; the DFP is better is some areas. 900 degrees of turning angle in DFP, this wheel has only 300. Also; this wheel feels a lot cheeper, a lot more plastic. I also had problem with my NEW wheel did a mis-sound every time i tilted it a little bit from left to right, a mechanical sound quite loud. Loud enough for me to change it back at the electronic store a bought it =/
I can say that I PERSONALY was NOT quite satisfied with this Microsoft 360 wheel, although it is better than any other wheen they had before.

But I also has this one on the PC:
Logitech G25 Racing Wheel
http://www.cyberindian.net/wp-content/uploads/logi...

And I mean, this wheel just OWNS every other wheel, so my point of view have been a little corrupt since i bought that one...

Also I think GTR2 just OWNS every other racing game out there. To quote their official website:

http://gtr-game.10tacle.com/fileadmin/gtr2/images/...
(it is so true, almost as true as WoW is damaging your view on other RPGs, or something)


EDIT: Btw; the force feedback is almost as good as the DFP, but just in ONE game to this point; PGR3. The does not have the same feeling to it (TDU, NSP).
LoL!
Commented on 2007-02-25 14:27:17 In reply to synce
lol
Commented on 2007-02-25 14:38:08 In reply to ZeppSWE
Posted by ZeppSWE
I've had DFP, and this wheel compares quite good to it; although; the DFP is better is some areas. 900 degrees of turning angle in DFP, this wheel has only 300. Also; this wheel feels a lot cheeper, a lot more plastic. I also had problem with my NEW wheel did a mis-sound every time i tilted it a little bit from left to right, a mechanical sound quite loud. Loud enough for me to change it back at the electronic store a bought it =/
I can say that I PERSONALY was NOT quite satisfied with this Microsoft 360 wheel, although it is better than any other wheen they had before.

But I also has this one on the PC:
Logitech G25 Racing Wheel
http://www.cyberindian.net/wp-content/uploads/logi...

And I mean, this wheel just OWNS every other wheel, so my point of view have been a little corrupt since i bought that one...

Also I think GTR2 just OWNS every other racing game out there. To quote their official website:

http://gtr-game.10tacle.com/fileadmin/gtr2/images/...
(it is so true, almost as true as WoW is damaging your view on other RPGs, or something)
Yep, for serious racing race nut, proper online racing teams, the PC is where its at, console is just laughable in comparison. As well as GTR 2, you have GT legends and Live for Speed, both are spot on.

Live for speed & Gt25 wheel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI5fFop57Mc

GT ledgends & GT25 Wheel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKy6QezZts8

A totally different league altogether.

Saying that, its about time 360 had a wheel with proper FFB. 360 being the next big thing and all that. lol (ms must take people for fools, then again most 360 fans actually go with everything they claim lol)
Commented on 2007-02-25 14:47:39
Yeah my friend bought one of those wheels, facking hard to drive though.
But once you get the hang of it, it's awesome.
Commented on 2007-02-25 15:51:25 In reply to f2hunter
Posted by f2hunter
Saying that, its about time 360 had a wheel with proper FFB. 360 being the next big thing and all that. lol (ms must take people for fools, then again most 360 fans actually go with everything they claim lol)
it does.the MS wheel has proper FFB. and who rattled your cage ?
Commented on 2007-02-25 17:50:10
I think the wheel has pretty good price comparing to some of the good ones like G25 Racing Wheel. Only thing I wish about the xbox one is that it looked like a real Racing Wheel and not a toy.
Commented on 2007-02-25 17:53:17
and btw, GTR2 is not a racing game, its a simulation of the FIA GT championship. but its coming soon to xbox360, not we'll see how that goes.
Commented on 2007-02-25 19:27:28
That dog is like "Whoa I'm in a car? I wonder where we're going today!" and then "Sheesh is this a long trip.. yawn".
Commented on 2007-02-25 21:24:26 In reply to ZeppSWE
Posted by ZeppSWE
EDIT: Btw, to answer your question; the force feedback is almost as good as the DFP, but just in ONE game to this point; PGR3. The other driving games does not have the same feeling to it (TDU, NSP).
Thats cuz the force feedback Wheel was really specifically designed for Forza 2 type games. TDU and NSP are not gonna be as good for it. Meaning arcade type games are not gonna work as well. It was made for driving sims really and because its new, its still relatively new, its not gonna work as good with older games.
Commented on 2007-02-25 21:47:31 In reply to GangstaNip
Posted by GangstaNip
Thats cuz the force feedback Wheel was really specifically designed for Forza 2 type games. TDU and NSP are not gonna be as good for it. Meaning arcade type games are not gonna work as well. It was made for driving sims really and because its new, its still relatively new, its not gonna work as good with older games.
It works great in arcade racers. It's up to the game software to support the wheel's FFB properly--and some of those games mentioned don't--but with the proper support arcade racers absolutely benefit from wheel control. Hell, arcade racing cabinets benefited greatly from force feedback wheel control--it's where many of us were first introduced to such a thing. If this wheel were truely made for driving sims--I'd expect a 900 degree turning radius, a clutch and a shift box--but those sort of die hard features are left to products like the G25.

TDU, NFS, ITC, etc--none of them support proper force feedback (NFS comes closest) but they all do benefit greatly from the wheels use. Hell, it makes TDU actually playable.

Also, I believe the wheel is more like 270 degrees, and not 300--right?
Commented on 2007-02-25 23:50:24 In reply to Zeuxis
Posted by Zeuxis
and btw, GTR2 is not a racing game, its a simulation of the FIA GT championship. but its coming soon to xbox360, not we'll see how that goes.
Thats like saying:
http://www.streetmachineusa.com/news/1153877583.gi...

"These are not Trainers, their NIKE's"
Commented on 2007-02-27 11:10:12 In reply to f2hunter
Posted by f2hunter
Yep, for serious racing race nut, proper online racing teams, the PC is where its at, console is just laughable in comparison. As well as GTR 2, you have GT legends and Live for Speed, both are spot on.

Live for speed & Gt25 wheel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI5fFop57Mc

GT ledgends & GT25 Wheel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKy6QezZts8

A totally different league altogether.

Saying that, its about time 360 had a wheel with proper FFB. 360 being the next big thing and all that. lol (ms must take people for fools, then again most 360 fans actually go with everything they claim lol)
True, but like you said yourself, they're only really for the hardcore racing nuts.. Those PC games are more simulations then actual easy to get into videogames.. Compared to that Forza and GT are pure arcade games no matter how much 'this is simulation' marketing BS Sony and MS pull..

Personally I enjoy the console racers more, just because they are more accessable for every type of gamer, which means I can play them with friends who are not hardcore racing nuts, but do like racinggames.. Games like PGR etc are perfect for me, they are a nice mix between realism and arcade fun and easy gameplay.. Forza is also fun, but already less accessable for some of my gaming friends, because it requires upgrading and tweaking of cars where they just wanna race for fun.. There's also way more people online on XBL in racinggames then on PC, another reason why I prefer my Xbox 360 over my PC for racinggames..
Commented on 2007-02-27 18:36:34
TBH, i want my racers to be racers, PGR3 is like an odd mix of both, but runs at 30fps, which i cant physically take.. makes me feel sick, ive ben used to 60FPS eversince SEGA's Arcade racers. with 30fps, im missing half the control and it feels awful after being used to super-smooth 60 FPS collision / frames.

Ill play Proper racing games VIA PC with proper set-ups, proper framerates and proper 20+ on track, with no crappy 8 player limit and kids who dont know how to race properly.

If i want to play a quick non-serious race, i'll just boot-up Mario Kart DS. (even that runs at 60fps)

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