TGS06: HD-DVD Demo

Commented on 2006-09-20 13:32:25

From this pics it looks like it got the very same green problem ans PS2 while playing DVD's Oo, but I guess it's just the video itself.

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hasanahmad

Commented on 2006-09-20 13:35:06

was this playing in 1080p?

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Barber

Commented on 2006-09-20 13:38:51

I think the green is WMP11 its got its problems they will probably update it in the next patch.

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rupbert

Commented on 2006-09-20 13:41:16 In reply to hasanahmad

Posted by hasanahmad

was this playing in 1080p?

It would have been upscaled to 1080p.

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hasanahmad

Commented on 2006-09-20 13:58:47

if you see the same video on Gamevideos from 1up, there is no green tinge. snoopers took this offscreen while oneup took it directfeed. there is no green tinge, its only the light

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Graham

Commented on 2006-09-20 14:00:45

the 'green' seems to be showing on the blade too, so I'd assume there is a giant green light below the screen that is reflecting.

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alimokrane

Commented on 2006-09-20 14:01:03 In reply to hasanahmad

Posted by hasanahmad

if you see the same video on Gamevideos from 1up, there is no green tinge. snoopers took this offscreen while oneup took it directfeed. there is no green tinge, its only the light

Are you in japan ?

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hasanahmad

Commented on 2006-09-20 14:03:21 In reply to alimokrane

Posted by alimokrane

Are you in japan ?

no its pretty obvious when you see both videos

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RC_Master

Commented on 2006-09-20 14:03:59

rupbert, why would it have been upscaled? And by what?

I'm a little confuzzled by your statement, since:
A. all movies on HD-DVD are natively 1080p
B. MS recently announced that the 360 will be updated to be able to output 1080p
C. with the HD-DVD attachment, the 360 can play HD-DVDs

So, i would have assumed that if it was at 1080p then that would have been done by the 360. And if not, then the 360's current native 720p or 1080i

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alimokrane

Commented on 2006-09-20 14:05:58 In reply to hasanahmad

Posted by hasanahmad

no its pretty obvious when you see both videos

No it's just you brought the LO video to youtube so I figured you might be there ;)

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rupbert

Commented on 2006-09-20 14:13:49 In reply to RC_Master

Posted by RC_Master

rupbert, why would it have been upscaled? And by what?

I'm a little confuzzled by your statement, since:
A. all movies on HD-DVD are natively 1080p
B. MS recently announced that the 360 will be updated to be able to output 1080p
C. with the HD-DVD attachment, the 360 can play HD-DVDs

So, i would have assumed that if it was at 1080p then that would have been done by the 360. And if not, then the 360's current native 720p or 1080i

Yeah your right.

I thought Tokyo Drift had been encoded in 1080i, but it is indeed 1080p. I assume then this was being run through vga as 1080p over component isn't currently permitted...

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chewbacaattack

Commented on 2006-09-20 14:31:11 In reply to rupbert

Posted by rupbert

Yeah your right.

I thought Tokyo Drift had been encoded in 1080i, but it is indeed 1080p. I assume then this was being run through vga as 1080p over component isn't currently permitted...

"Straight from Japan comes this interesting announcement. Microsoft said today at TGS that its fall software update, scheduled for release later this year, will allow all Xbox 360 consoles around the world to output game and movie content in 1080p resolution. 720p games will be able to upscale to 1080p, although there will be no HDMI output. "

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rupbert

Commented on 2006-09-20 14:36:08 In reply to chewbacaattack

Posted by chewbacaattack

"Straight from Japan comes this interesting announcement. Microsoft said today at TGS that its fall software update, scheduled for release later this year, will allow all Xbox 360 consoles around the world to output game and movie content in 1080p resolution. 720p games will be able to upscale to 1080p, although there will be no HDMI output. "

I'm not quite sure what the reason for this quote being posted was? What did you want me to extract from it? Explain please :)

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007ybse04

Commented on 2006-09-20 14:52:05

Xbox360 will be support 1080P Full HD with the new dashboard update!
BOTH GAMES AND MOVIES!!

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miketuck3r

Commented on 2006-09-20 15:05:23 In reply to rupbert

Posted by rupbert

I'm not quite sure what the reason for this quote being posted was? What did you want me to extract from it? Explain please :)

that it is not true that 1080p is not allowed ti use compenent because it is..

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rupbert

Commented on 2006-09-20 15:13:33 In reply to miketuck3r

Posted by miketuck3r

that it is not true that 1080p is not allowed ti use compenent because it is..

In the short term yes, but when the HDCP restriction is introduced MS are going to have to introduce an HDMI or DVI connection...

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RC_Master

Commented on 2006-09-20 15:28:04 In reply to rupbert

Posted by rupbert

In the short term yes, but when the HDCP restriction is introduced MS are going to have to introduce an HDMI or DVI connection...

I, and a lot of other people, would be pissed if we couldn't play HD-DVDs on our 360 because of it lacking HDCPed HDMI.

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citizenx

Commented on 2006-09-20 15:30:28

Rupbert, lets not forget Microsoft have not confirmed or denied the existence of a HDMI cable, or even whether the 360 GPU outputs digital signals. Amongst the tech-heads, the majority are now convinced the latter is true, and the GPU does indeed have digital-video capabilities, after many sources discovering the 360 Mobo has a chip which is present on the latest ATI HDMI/HDCP compliant cards.

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rupbert

Commented on 2006-09-20 16:15:30 In reply to citizenx

Posted by citizenx

Rupbert, lets not forget Microsoft have not confirmed or denied the existence of a HDMI cable, or even whether the 360 GPU outputs digital signals. Amongst the tech-heads, the majority are now convinced the latter is true, and the GPU does indeed have digital-video capabilities, after many sources discovering the 360 Mobo has a chip which is present on the latest ATI HDMI/HDCP compliant cards.

Microsoft have actually stated there will be no HDMI connection (I'll try and find the statement), but like many denials it does not mean it will never happen...

I'd be amazed if the gpu was not capable of digital video processing, but how on earth can they introduce an HDMI/DVI connection without actually incoporating it into the motherboard?

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lukasblue

Commented on 2006-09-20 16:18:08 In reply to rupbert

Posted by rupbert

In the short term yes, but when the HDCP restriction is introduced MS are going to have to introduce an HDMI or DVI connection...

I do not think that restrictions will come into effect until 2010 or so.

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jab1981

Commented on 2006-09-20 17:21:46 In reply to rupbert

Posted by rupbert

Microsoft have actually stated there will be no HDMI connection (I'll try and find the statement), but like many denials it does not mean it will never happen...

Found an old interview... but here's what "Todd Holmdahl, Corporate Vice President of the Xbox Product Group at Microsoft" had to say.
http://interviews.teamxbox.com/xbox/1190/Xbox-360-...

All those connections (composite, component, s-video and VGA) have one thing in common: they carry the video signal in an analog format. What about digital connections such DVI or HDMI? Will there be A/V packs with DVI and/or HDMI connections? If not, will you consider offering that in the future?

Todd Holmdahl: Xbox 360 will support HD component video output, which is compatible with nearly every HD-ready TV on the market today. We’re poised to hit the sweet spot of the HD market at launch and as the market matures, and we will provide an HDMI for our customers when it makes sense. The reality is, you don’t need HDMI for HD gaming.

I'd say we will provide HDMI when it makes sense would apply to this.

Also found this from just a few weeks back...
http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EEVZVEully...

"Microsoft has not announced any additional support beyond component video for HD output. MS is watching the market closely and they will continue to evaluate any options in the face of consumer demand."

Again... they aren't saying no. They're saying they may. And with the HD-DVD details still emerging I'd wager an HDMI A/V pack won't be far behind.

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[quote=rupbert]

Microsoft have actually stated there will be no HDMI connection (I'll try and find the statement), but like many denials it does not mean it will never happen...[/quote]

Found an old interview... but here's what "Todd Holmdahl, Corporate Vice President of the Xbox Product Group at Microsoft" had to say.
http://interviews.teamxbox.com/xbox/1190/Xbox-360-Interview-Todd-Holmdahl/p1/

[quote]All those connections (composite, component, s-video and VGA) have one thing in common: they carry the video signal in an analog format. What about digital connections such DVI or HDMI? Will there be A/V packs with DVI and/or HDMI connections? If not, will you consider offering that in the future?

Todd Holmdahl: Xbox 360 will support HD component video output, which is compatible with nearly every HD-ready TV on the market today. We’re poised to hit the sweet spot of the HD market at launch and as the market matures, and we will provide an HDMI for our customers when it makes sense. The reality is, you don’t need HDMI for HD gaming. [/quote]

I'd say we will provide HDMI when it makes sense would apply to this.

Also found this from just a few weeks back...
http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EEVZVEullyDOzWYCDT.php
[quote]"Microsoft has not announced any additional support beyond component video for HD output. MS is watching the market closely and they will continue to evaluate any options in the face of consumer demand."[/quote]

Again... they aren't saying no.  They're saying they may.  And with the HD-DVD details still emerging I'd wager an HDMI A/V pack won't be far behind.

unfettered

Commented on 2006-09-20 17:25:32 In reply to miketuck3r

Posted by rupbert

Yeah your right.

I thought Tokyo Drift had been encoded in 1080i, but it is indeed 1080p. I assume then this was being run through vga as 1080p over component isn't currently permitted...

I just wanted to point something out to everyone concerning 1080p and componant video.

Yes you very well can output 1080p (and even higher resolutions) over componant cables. There have been products that have been out for years, even though somewhat rare, that do this.

The myth that you cannot is a lie (of omission) perpetrated upon the consumer by Sony and other CE companies and certain Hollywood studios in the lead-up to the launch of blu-ray to convince as many consumers as possible that they had to adopt HDMI. The fact that blu-ray drives only output the 1080p resolution via HDMI and that some of the newer television sets only accept 1080p signals via HDMI is put their to reinforce this lie.

But the facts are that Japanese consumer electronics giants like Mitsubishi, JVC and other high-end OEMs have been creating DVD players, cable/satelite TV boxes and television sets/projectors that output/accept a 1080p signal over componant cables for around five years now (HDMI has only even been around for the last three years). Even now as we speak, there are a slew of Chinese made and distributed consumer electronics product that sends and recieves 1080p signal via componant cables. The Chinese have gone so far as to create their own hi-def video disc standard (basically encoding HD on standard DVDs) that will output 1080p over componant.

So when M$ tells you they are doing 1080p via componant cables on the Xbox 360, do not be alarmed or amazed (well, if you feel like being alarmed that you were so completely lied to by the CE and movie industries, lied to enough that you fell for it hook, line and sinker - well, feel free to be alarmed about that) as this is nothing new and has been going on for years . . . oh, and HD-DVD, unlike blu-ray, does not restrict the 1080p signal output to HDMI only

What does this mean for the Xbox 360 owner? It means that even Xbox Three-Shitty (tardpack) owners can get in on the 1080p goodness. PS3 tardpack owners are not going to get off so luckily.

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[quote=rupbert]

Yeah your right.

I thought Tokyo Drift had been encoded in 1080i, but it is indeed 1080p. I assume then this was being run through vga as 1080p over component isn't currently permitted...[/quote]I just wanted to point something out to everyone concerning 1080p and componant video.

Yes you very well can output 1080p (and even higher resolutions) over componant cables. There have been products that have been out for years, even though somewhat rare, that do this.

The myth that you cannot is a lie (of omission) perpetrated upon the consumer by Sony and other CE companies and certain Hollywood studios in the lead-up to the launch of blu-ray to convince as many consumers as possible that they [i]had[/i] to adopt HDMI. The fact that blu-ray drives [b][i]only[/i][/b] output the 1080p resolution via HDMI and that some of the newer television sets [b][i]only[/i][/b] accept 1080p signals via HDMI is put their to reinforce this lie.

But the facts are that Japanese consumer electronics giants like Mitsubishi, JVC and other high-end OEMs have been creating DVD players, cable/satelite TV boxes and television sets/projectors that output/accept a 1080p signal over componant cables for around five years now (HDMI has only even been around for the last three years). Even now as we speak, there are a slew of Chinese made and distributed consumer electronics product that sends and recieves 1080p signal via componant cables. The Chinese have gone so far as to create their own hi-def video disc standard (basically encoding HD on standard DVDs) that will output 1080p over componant.

So when M$ tells you they are doing 1080p via componant cables on the Xbox 360, do not be alarmed or amazed (well, if you feel like being alarmed that you were so completely lied to by the CE and movie industries, lied to enough that you fell for it hook, line and sinker - well, feel free to be alarmed about that) as this is nothing new and has been going on for years . . . oh, and HD-DVD, unlike blu-ray, does not restrict the 1080p signal output to HDMI only

What does this mean for the Xbox 360 owner? It means that even Xbox Three-Shitty (tardpack) owners can get in on the 1080p goodness. PS3 tardpack owners are not going to get off so luckily.

shade360

Commented on 2006-09-20 21:28:59

about this hdcp restriction: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/result.xhtml?url=%2...

i know its german, but: Nach den bisherigen AACS-Lizenzvorgaben soll die analoge Ausgabe ab 2011 nur noch für die Standardauflösung erlaubt und ab 2014 ganz abgeschaltet werden

translated: in 2011 analog signals only for standard resolutions and in the year 2014 completey turned off, meaning no hd via analog signals anymore.. so thats a lot of time till the restriction will become effective

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miketuck3r

Commented on 2006-09-21 06:40:36

a bit of info...

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/xbox-360/shane-kim-ta...

""We have the ability to output either through VGA or component. We have no HDMI announcement now," he said. "We do have the capability to deliver the software and, if needed, the hardware.""

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