Fable 2 Thread

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Awesome game. Very kindness fairy tale, deep social roleplaying and awesome freeplay and combat system. Everything I want for next gen rpg.
10/10

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Mediocre game. Shallow social role playing, the same repetitive side quests to do over and over again, the WORST loot system ever in an rpg, and probably the worst ending I've ever experience in a recent game(yeah...it pissed me off more than Halo 2's).

At least the art style was good.

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Posté par Optimusv2

The items my dog has found haven't been useless. I've used things to teach him how to become a better tracker.

The dog has also been very useful in a number of other ways by warning me about danger up ahead. There is a part in a cave that, had it not been for the dog, I wouldn't have immediately found the path forward. He was leading -- showing me where to go.

I loved the breadcrumb trail.

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http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-fable-iis-knot...

long video showing the DLC. video has "quick look" in the title, but its 18 minutes long.

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alimokrane

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So, I finally managed to play this bad boy over the past two weeks or so and I have to say this was a truly special experience. I loved the ending and the way we had to choose - I loved that little dog and I had to pick him :)

The game has its flaws, repetitive quests, glitchy as hell yet it's quite special. really enjoyed it.

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TO RENT: MEd, VP2, BK3, NarutoBB, SC4, GAxe, Fable2

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SimonM7

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I've only just started it and I'm warming to it aswell. I really liked the setup at the beginning with your sister and everything, I though that was very touching, but was later taken aback by how disappointingly familiar it felt. I dunno if I'm just getting into the Fable groove again or if it's getting better, but I'm starting to really like it.

I was off celebrating easter today and I found it somewhat difficult to pry myself away from the game to be truthful. :)

Will write some more about my endeavours in it on M7 when I'm done with a quick review of AiTD.

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dcdelgado

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Glad your all enjoying it, it had its flaws but it was a very enjoyable play through for me and deserved it sales success.

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** Yes We CAN!! **

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Aaarrrrggghhhhhh. The game just froze and robbed me of approx 6 hours of gameplay. Brilliant. :(

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Megido

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Posté par SimonM7

Aaarrrrggghhhhhh. The game just froze and robbed me of approx 6 hours of gameplay. Brilliant. :(

Well, unless you spent the majority of those hours bartending to become king, you should be happy that it froze, that will actually bring the game up to a decent length ;)

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El perro, el perro es mi corazón
El gato, el gato, el gato es no bueno
Cilantro es cantante
Cilantro es muy famoso
Cilantro es el hombre con el queso del diablo!

SimonM7

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Well, the game is the length you spend with it really. If you rush through it, it's short, but if you mess around with stuff you can spend ages with it.

But the worst thing lost in my crash is the triggering of some quests. There's one in particular.

There's a guy in Westcliff Camp that wants you as a business partner to renovate the place or some such, and I can't get that quest to appear again. Does anyone know the specifics of how to do that? I would check faqs but I'm too scared of spoilers. I've yet to go on the "big trip".

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Megido

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Simon: If fable 2 is as long as you make it then that rule applies to every game ever made. Fable 2 has a pathetic amount of content and you'd have to be a retard to think that any of the "social" aspects of the gameplay is worth spending time on :)

Really, everything is just for the sake of doing it...geting married is tehre because it's a cool feature, getting kids is there becasue it's a cool feature, the nob-head NPCs are walking around becasue it's a cool feature and so it is with most stuff, it's there because it's nifty but doesn't add to the game in any way. Once you finish the main quest, the few side quests and all the demon doors that's it as far as i'm concerned. Like, sure you can become king of the retard kingdom, but why would you want to?

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El perro, el perro es mi corazón
El gato, el gato, el gato es no bueno
Cilantro es cantante
Cilantro es muy famoso
Cilantro es el hombre con el queso del diablo!

SimonM7

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I partially agree, and I will go into which points when I do my inevitable M7 writeup, but at the same time I don't think there's a difference between doing more than you have to in Saints Row 2, GTA4, Oblivion or Fallout 3 and doing more than you have to in this. The difference with Fable is that you have that overall renown thing building and you actually get feedback in quite an impactful way. I think it's oddly compelling, but I could definitely see how it wouldn't be for someone else.

It's not like WE understand eachother. I find your stance on Braid one of life's big mysteries. :)

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SimonM7

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I still can't find Barnum for the Westcliff Development quest. Any help would be greatly appreciated! There must be something that triggers him to appear.

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SimonM7

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False alarm! Turns out I'd already spoken to him and he disappears when you do. I went on the "big trip" and then it turns out I'd already done my part in that whole development scheme. :)

I tried to take my kid and wife for a walk but the kid got stuck on the other side of the portal.. I keep them in the Homestead home behind the Oakfield demon door.. When I went back in he was just standing there, unresponsive to anything I tried to do to him. Creepy! :O

Will check back when I continue playing tomorrow. Er, today.. Um.. After I've slept some.

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SimonM7

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I've written a short post on Mode-7 that I'd really love some your views on. I would find it very interesting to hear how you feel about those aspects in some detail even. Preferably spoiler free if possible.

Either here or there, either one's fine.

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FireWire

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That was a great write up Simon, well done!

First of all I've got to go and agree with you on Fable 2 not actually hitting the mark on "getting the player emotionally involved".

Like you said, every part of the game that you are supposed to get emotionally involved with, is toned done by a shallow depth of that actual feature.
You've already mentioned the wife and kid and therefore I'll mention another aspect that royally pissed me off;

Your "trusty" canine companion......

I have to go back to the time before Fable 2 was released to explain it completely.
First off all; Peter Molyneux.
He seems like a really nice guy and enjoy listening to his ideas/concepts for his games. Now I know he's a bit a talker and more then often promises to much when it comes to his upcoming games.

Peter was absolutely raving about Fable 2's "special feature" which turned out to be the dog.... I absolutely loved the idea and was genuinely excited after him explaining that the dog was supposed to be; the best AI he has ever written. (It was supposed to be smarter than his Black and White 2 creatures). He also said that the players would really get emotionally attached to the dog.

He then explained some of the behaviour the dog would show;
The dog will run around and scout out treasures, warn for bandits and fight with you in combat. He also will have "different barks" depending on the situation. At the beginning an icon will show over his head and will explain what the dog wants. After a while the icon wouldn't show up any more and the player would be able to recognize what the dog wants when he gives a certain bark.

I found these idea's amazing and was really excited to see these in action...
But how did these things turn out?

Well as you might now already; One big F'ing disappointment.
Yes the dog did most of the things that were promised, but did I get emotionally involved? No I couldn't care less if that dog was there.
He helps you find "treasures", these being some stupid potions or some gold (of which I have more then enough, thanks to the brain-numbing mini-games)

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That was a great write up Simon, well done!

First of all I've got to go and agree with you on Fable 2 not actually hitting the mark on "getting the player emotionally involved".

Like you said, every part of the game that you are supposed to get emotionally involved with, is toned done by a shallow depth of that actual feature.
You've already mentioned the wife and kid and therefore I'll mention another aspect that royally pissed me off;

Your "trusty" canine companion......

I have to go back to the time before Fable 2 was released to explain it completely. 
First off all; Peter Molyneux.
He seems like a really nice guy and enjoy listening to his ideas/concepts for his games. Now I know he's a bit a talker and more then often promises to much when it comes to his upcoming games.

Peter was absolutely raving about Fable 2's "special feature" which turned out to be the dog.... I absolutely loved the idea and was genuinely excited after him explaining that the dog was supposed to be; the best AI he has ever written. (It was supposed to be smarter than his Black and White 2 creatures). He also said that the players would really get emotionally attached to the dog.

He then explained some of the behaviour the dog would show;
The dog will run around and scout out treasures, warn for bandits and fight with you in combat. He also will have "different barks" depending on the situation. At the beginning an icon will show over his head and will explain what the dog wants. After a while the icon wouldn't show up any more and the player would be able to recognize what the dog wants when he gives a certain bark.

I found these idea's amazing and was really excited to see these in action...
But how did these things turn out?

Well as you might now already; One big F'ing disappointment.  
Yes the dog did most of the things that were promised, but did I get emotionally involved? No I couldn't care less if that dog was there. 
He helps you find "treasures", these being some stupid potions or some gold (of which I have more then enough, thanks to the brain-numbing mini-games)

"Though I walk through the valley of death I will fear no evil, for I am the evilest motherf*cker in the valley"

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SimonM7

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Thanks for the compliments, and thanks for the reply! I'm especially curious about how people feel because like I was talking about in the text, the game in theory has the opportunity to make you feel invested in a way I haven't necessarily thought about in regards to games before.

I completely agree about the dog aswell. In fact, I find the dog thing pretty confusing. I think it's okay to talk cryptically about the time span involved here and the fact that.. there's a dog. So, when you're a tiny kid you meet a dog.. which.. doesn't strike me as puppy sized. Then, when you're grown up you're "greeted by a familiar face".. supposedly the dog from 10 years ago I guess. Let's say it's 10 at that point even though I totally don't believe that based on its size. Then later on you have the time jump 10 years again, and he's 20? This is a DOG. You're lucky if he's breathing at 20!

I totally assumed that the dog you have when you've recovered from the first set of events wasn't the dog from when you were a kid, because even that seemed unreasonable. I mean you're teaching the dog stuff when it's 10+! The whole thing is just really bizarre to me, and with that hamfisted delivery there's nary a believable connection to the dog either. At least not for me.

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I completely agree about the dog aswell. In fact, I find the dog thing pretty confusing. I think it's okay to talk cryptically about the time span involved here and the fact that.. there's a dog. So, when you're a tiny kid you meet a dog.. which.. doesn't strike me as puppy sized. Then, when you're grown up you're "greeted by a familiar face".. supposedly the dog from 10 years ago I guess. Let's say it's 10 at that point even though I totally don't believe that based on its size. Then later on you have the time jump 10 years again, and he's 20? This is a DOG. You're lucky if he's breathing at 20!

I totally assumed that the dog you have when you've recovered from the first set of events wasn't the dog from when you were a kid, because even that seemed unreasonable. I mean you're teaching the dog stuff when it's 10+! The whole thing is just really bizarre to me, and with that hamfisted delivery there's nary a believable connection to the dog either. At least not for me.

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SimonM7

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Mode-7 opinion is up if anyone is interested.

As I was saying in the intro, giving it some kind of all-encompassing review is impossible, so I fully expect agreement and disagreement. Please sound off here or there if you wanna discuss the game. Fable 2 is a subject that lends itself extremely well to discussion I reckon.

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alimokrane

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Posté par SimonM7

Fantastic review Simon. Having completed the game, I found myself agreeing with pretty much everything you said. I think it can all be summed in one phrase, the game simply lacked proper focus and ends up being a collection of average unfinished ideas.

I still think it's pretty special, it truly has a personality of its own and I enjoyed it a lot.

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KORNdog

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the game simply lacked proper focus and ends up being a collection of average unfinished ideas.

deffinately true. i was expecting greatness, and i got a whole heap of mediocrity. the game has charm oozing out of every orifice, with it's voice acting, visual style and general presentation, but the game just fell flat in practically every area when it came to gameplay. and no amount of charm could forgive such issues. ok game, but in relation to the hype and promises, it was a huge dissapointment. probably the biggest dissapointment this generation for me, right next to banjo nuts and bolts.

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BLackHawkodst

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I loved every min of Fable2, i had so much fun with it, cant wait for part 3.

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Optimusv2

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I thought the first fable was the better game :/

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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.

pssh! more like electronic g

Tinks

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I agree Optimus. It was a lot more fun

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