Not to dig too much more in the "comparison" between Kodu and LBP, but I think there needs to be a bit of clarification to exactly what LBP is. The more apt comparison to LBP, would be comparing it directly to Far Cry 2. Like Far Cry 2, LBP is a dedicated game, with hours and hours of professional developed gameplay experience to be had by the gamer. At which point if you are happy with that, you can just leave it alone and walk away.

Or, you can get an near infinite amount of usage from both titles, by taking advantage of the user created engine present in both titles. The user generated creation tools in LBP are pretty much what most PC gamers would call a level editor. They have been around on PC shooters for almost 15 years now, and are quite popular. What Media Molecule did with LBP, was bring a level editor to a side-scrolling platformer. I do not recall that ever being done before (at least not on console), and I that really was what all the excitement was about - and rightly so, more games should have level editors; and they shouldn't be relegated exclusively to shooters and RTS. Far Cry 2 has one of the best level editors ever to grace a game, much less grace one on console. It is every bit as much as awesome as the user creation tools in LBP, and in many ways, even moreso. If only you could create a single-player experience with the Far Cry 2 level editor, instead of just multiplayer, and it may have gotten just as much attention as LBP - it certainly deserves so.

Kodu on the other hand, is more along the lines of what PC gamers would call a mod. A mod is much different than a level editor. In a mod you get a level editor, but you also get the ability to create and tweek AI, and all the interactions between the bots, NPCs and player. In almost every respect, working a mod, is every much as creating a real game. Case and point, the original Half Life and the original Team Fortress, both are completely different mods made from id Software's Quake.

With mods, you can take a given engine, and create a completely different game. With a level editor, you can customize and create your own levels, but you cannot change the timing and collisions and AI and or even the base geometry, all the things that make individually different games, unique. And that really is the comparison between LBP an Kodu. The former is a game with a level editor built in, and the latter is a complete game engine in which you can build completely different games.

As has been stated before, any other comparison going any further than that, really is not doing either product justice.

That said, as much as I enjoy toying around with Kodu, it only makes me wish more than ever, that Ubisoft Montreal would take the Dunia Engine, and the level editor from Far Cry 2, and create something very similar to Kodu with it. They have already got quite possible one of the best level editors I have ever seen in a videogame - anyone notice how much Sony's upcoming ModNation Racers borrows from the Far Cry 2 level editor? The only thing missing from that editor, is giving the gamer the ability to change all the pertinent stuff like AI and inter-character interaction. If Ubisoft were to take that engine, with that editor fleshed out in a similar fashion as Kodu, and packaged it up nice and pretty, I would actually pay full price for that.

Oh well, I guess a boy can dream.

I really have a hard time understanding WHO kodu is meant for. The graphics and look of the game seems fitted for kids that are probably too young to do anything advanced with it, but the simplicity and cutesy-factor feels like sort of a "meh" for older players that want more freedom in what they create (at least that's how it feels for me).

Didn't help any when Sony began to pull some of the best levels off the server for risk of copyright infringement. That was a real disappointment.

Eurogamer Plays around with Kodu
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/kodu-game-lab-ar...

That was a good read, damn i did not realize it could do RPG's also, i'll have to try and find some time to play around with this tool.

Could do? It's a very high level programming language. Why would an RPG be out of reach? If someone made a action game in the spirit of NG or DMC (ofc not as complex though) or a fighter, now THAT would impress me :P

Well for a entry level point and click app, i did not think it stretched to RPG's, but now i know it does KOTOR3 will be coming soon starring Darth DCdelgado!! :)

Since an RPG is mainly numbers being thrown back and forth i think that should not be so hard to accomplish...it'll probably take a lot of time though. As long as you can define variables and do little "if" questions i don't see why an RPG should be impossible. Though loads more work will have to be done compared to making some little twin stick shooter :P

Then i fear kotor3 will be in dev for some time!

Okay, so i tried Kodu out just now and well...maybe i'm just too stupid to figure it out or something, but i think it feels insanely limited. Even for what it is. Like why do they have to give every object a predefined way to act? Just let me pick an object and then tell it how to act, if i want a tree to run across the freaking level while shooting apples then let me. Also no variables, no if statements no nothing...how do they expect you to be able to create anything cool with this? 400 MSP wasted.

Damn!

I just don't see the point. It seems to be more complicated than just coding it.

After trying it it feels like over complicating otherwise fairly simple tasks :P

The goal of Kodu should, and probably is, to make game creation easy as pie and fun. I just feel a lack of some basic things If, then and else branches that could easily ahve been implemented and made a lot of stuff easier.

Oh and i you ahve a lot of experience with it, how do you spawn in enemies? I want to spawn enemies at a certain point and have them behave in a certain way straight off the bat, how do i do stuff like that?

Well for what it's worth, from what I played of LBP, it sucks ass. I don't see what's so great about it. Well, "sucks ass" might be too harsh, but it's so average in my opinion. But you know it's me, I'm not easily impressed by these "innovative" games. (*thinks of the overrated Braid*)......

Acert: no i do realize that Kodu is a very high level programming language, but that's just it...it might be a bit too high level to suite me. Where did you get the mod impression by the way? I whine about feeling a lack of freedom, not that Kodu hasn't done everything for me.

Lebato: wow, someone else that actually thinks braid is overrated. Hallelujah.