New Forza 2 thread - UPDATE 4 New Screens from IGN.

LEBATO - IS WRONG
LEBATO
Since 6945 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
Is there live multiplayer in Culdcept Saga? When does it come out in the USA?

I think I'll be picking up the force feedback wheel soon. Anyone else get it yet?
LOL, another change of topic.

So what do you think about Blue Dragon Jollipop? lol.........
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Acert93 - Mr. Bad Cop
Acert93
Since 6794 Days
http://www.forzamotorsport.net/

And they review these: http://www.kontrolfreek.com/
"Everyone knows it can be extremely difficult to control a racing simulator with a gamepad. One thumb, a three centimeter thumbstick and about one centimeter of travel just doesn’t provide as much fidelity as a steering wheel. It takes a lot of manual dexterity to precisely modulate such a small control -- especially when controlling a simulation engine like Forza Motorsport 2 with its physics running at 360 frames per second. Most players are reduced to tapping the control, thereby reducing the control to little more than a digital gamepad. Can you imagine driving your real car at high speeds using only digital inputs – full lock right, full lock left, wide open throttle and pedal through the floor braking?

"Recently Che gave me an odd-looking piece of plastic that snaps onto the Xbox 360 gamepad thumbstick head. This accessory for your accessory is meant to increase the controllable surface area of the thumbstick. Basically, it’s a better lever. While I "got" the theory immediately, I was skeptical about how effective it could really be.

"After using it for the better part of the afternoon, I’m convinced. While it’s no replacement for a good racing wheel, it’s a remarkable improvement over an unaltered thumbstick. I’m able to roll my thumb across the control and use the raised walls to manipulate the control much more precisely. It just feels natural. I’m always struck by how some of the most meaningful innovation is often the most low-tech improvements on an old idea.

"It’s a shame about the bright green color. The Xbox 360 controller is a nice piece of industrial design. Pardon the pun, but this thing sticks out like a sore thumb.

"Here’s the bottom line. This thing is cheap and small. If you don’t mind looking like a dork using it, it will make you gamepad racing experience much better and probably drop your lap times as well."

So there you have it folks. Turn 10's audio test lead and racing cockpit afficionado probably won't be trashing his setup any time soon, but this is pretty cool. Something to pick up for a stocking stuffer perhaps, or even for yourself if you're looking to improve your analog stick experience.
Now on topic :D
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Optimusv2 said: "Gun for the 360 has better graphics than both Halo 3 and Gears of War"

Acert93 - Mr. Bad Cop
Acert93
Since 6794 Days
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Optimusv2 said: "Gun for the 360 has better graphics than both Halo 3 and Gears of War"

GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 6823 Days
Posted by LEBATO
LOL, another change of topic.

So what do you think about Blue Dragon Jollipop? lol.........
I was just askin, since he brought it up! I also asked about the wheel though--that's on topic! I think I'm going to jump on it anyway, the way that MS has peripherals tied down so tightly, I don't see another good force feedback wheel hitting for quite some time..

That thumb attachment for the pad sounds interesting--I wonder if something simular would be good for increasing someones accuracy in a shooter? Oh no! That's another topic! ;P

...I really wish there were a cockpit cam in Forza 2 ;)
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Acert93 - Mr. Bad Cop
Acert93
Since 6794 Days
...I really wish there were a cockpit cam in Forza 2 ;)
FM3?

I do have a temp solution: in the videos they show a "rough" trail camera. Part of what makes PGR3's camera nice is the inertia and bumpiness. Games have done inertia for a while to a small degree, but getting a smoothly-rough trailing camera view and hood cam would be cook. Get a feel for the bumps on the track and such.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 6823 Days
Yea the hood cam should be enough for now, I suppose. Especially with the wheel--I'll just put a fan on my desk to simulate the wind. ;)
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Jollipop
Jollipop
Since 6706 Days
Culdcept of course has live play, it's what it's all about :)

No idea when it comes out in America, hopefully it won't be long

Forza Forza Forza << back on top again!
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I want Blue Dragon more than Optimus .... mwah ha ha ha ha ha..

Marumaro for the WIN !!

lukasblue
lukasblue
Since 6570 Days
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Jin187
Jin187
Since 6567 Days
Posted by lukasblue
That first one is trult spectacular, looks insanely real!

EDIT: They are all amazing, easily the most realistic looking game ever!
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Acert93 - Mr. Bad Cop
Acert93
Since 6794 Days
0_o

Photomode, but impressive!!! This is what I am expecting from PGR4 :P The lighting and color are just outstanding.
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Scarface
Scarface
Since 6809 Days
Posted by Acert93
This is what I am expecting from PGR4 :P
You expect PGR4 to look like PGR3?
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Jollipop
Jollipop
Since 6706 Days
I was guna say that, talk about high expectations.

I doubt the 360 could pull graphics like that off in game, not even it's dreams.
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I want Blue Dragon more than Optimus .... mwah ha ha ha ha ha..

Marumaro for the WIN !!

LEBATO - IS WRONG
LEBATO
Since 6945 Days
Posted by Jollipop
I was guna say that, talk about high expectations.

I doubt the 360 could pull graphics like that off in game, not even it's dreams.
Are you people being sarcastic?

That's how PGR3 looks minus the massive AA and somewhat weird lighting.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 6823 Days
Posted by LEBATO
Are you people being sarcastic?

That's how PGR3 looks minus the massive AA and somewhat weird lighting.
You have to admit that the increase in image quality is quite a jump, though. I do wish the game actually looked like that, even though it is close.

Jolli didn't you say that increasing a games image quality didn't make it look much better--cause that's the only significant difference between photomode and in game PGR3. IQ makes a big difference!
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LEBATO - IS WRONG
LEBATO
Since 6945 Days
It does look better but again, it's not that huge. The added AA does help a lot. The lighting in that pic above is not even realistic though, it looks like "end of the world" lighting. Compare with a real picture and you'll see.

So basically what's helping out it's the AA and perhaps the tweaked lighting, but that's also done with real life pictures. All the models and textures are the same.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 6823 Days
Oh I know--I just think that if PGR3 had 4XAA it would look fantastic :) It already is one of the best looking 360 games to date still, imo.
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Jollipop
Jollipop
Since 6706 Days
Posted by LEBATO
Are you people being sarcastic?

That's how PGR3 looks minus the massive AA and somewhat weird lighting.
My 360 must be broken then. :S (>< not again !)
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I want Blue Dragon more than Optimus .... mwah ha ha ha ha ha..

Marumaro for the WIN !!

GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 6823 Days
Posted by Jollipop
My 360 must be broken then. :S (>< not again !)
Or maybe you just need a new TV :P
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Jollipop
Jollipop
Since 6706 Days
Well that goes without saying, i'm waiting for a 3rd gen 1080p set though.

Or a 1080p DLP projector without wobulation.

For the mean time SD will do.
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I want Blue Dragon more than Optimus .... mwah ha ha ha ha ha..

Marumaro for the WIN !!

GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 6823 Days
Well no wonder you're not seeing a huge jump between 480p and 720p--that explains quite a bit.
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Jollipop
Jollipop
Since 6706 Days
Oh i have played my 360 over my mates on his HDTV, i still don't see the fuss.

It's odd because i see the difference in PC games more than i do on 360 games. (example 480 and 768 on a PC is a noticable difference)

But as i said before most 360 games are native 720p and scaled to 480p, which probably makes some difference.
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I want Blue Dragon more than Optimus .... mwah ha ha ha ha ha..

Marumaro for the WIN !!

lukasblue
lukasblue
Since 6570 Days
Posted by Jollipop
For the mean time SD will do.
Ha.
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lukasblue
lukasblue
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ingame pic from vspectra comparing something (dont know what)

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LEBATO - IS WRONG
LEBATO
Since 6945 Days
Posted by lukasblue
ingame pic from vspectra comparing something (dont know what)
I think he's comparing photomode vs in-game, which basically backs up what I said in my other post.
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deftangel - Hot stuff!
deftangel
Since 6691 Days
There is a ton of other stuff you can tweak in photo mode too remember. Colour tone, blur, shutter speed and the like. It all helps.

The PGR3 team were up against some hefty limitations and a tight schedule though. They already waxed lyrical about what they could do given the time to go back and re do the engine as it launched. I'm sure it'll look great.

Forza 2 needs to impress also or they'll be overwhelmed by the PGR4 team. I prefer the latter but I'm a sketchy driver :D
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