Forza Motorsport 2 Details.

Optimusv2
Optimusv2
Since 6029 Days
- 60fps, 4xaa, 720p, super awesome.
-Five weeks to build each car, after 9 months of building the "info"...and 6 months making software that can make sense of the "info"

- most games have values set around 200 to make a car feel "individual"...but in forza2...it is around 1600

-They made a program that tuned cars based on real world data....finding flaws and such on each and every car WOW!

- New Hood cam. Forza could not do a hood cam due to awful reflections, and low res hood textures...

-Physics update at 360 FPS...vs 60 in forza 1. This means more realistic crashes...instead of faked crashes.

-Simulation level of damage is now even more realistic...means better crashes...damage modeling.

-Forza tv, and photomode is in the game

-Pictures taken in photomode can be shared with friends in xboxlive...


Source: 360Magazine of the UK

Wow "360" FPS physics update incredible lol.
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[b] Never judge a game too harshly via screenshots or videos, because they are in no way capable of properly representing what the game truly looks like were you to see it running in front of you on a 360 [/b]

Acert93 - Mr. Bad Cop
Acert93
Since 6108 Days
The number for Forza 1 seems to be wrong.

http://www.oxm.co.uk/features/racing/under_the_hoo...
Just how accurate are you getting with your physics and handling?

Dan Greenawalt: We took a hit in Forza 1 because some of the hardcore gamers were asking us why it wasn’t 60 frames per second. I tried to explain that there’s a bit of a miseducation going on. I like the look of 60 frames per second, but it doesn’t make it a better sim. The real issue is how frequently you update your physics. If you update your physics at 60 frames per second you actually get bad physics, with objects sliding and skidding like they’re in molasses instead of properly colliding with things. In Forza 1 we updated the physics anywhere between 180 and 360 times a second. That allowed us to have a very quick response and create a lot of torque in the car. Now, if you’re running the graphics at 60 frames per second you’re using up a lot of processing power so you have to put a dampener on those physics, and that’s when things start to feel a little sluggish. We didn’t want that, so we decided to keep the physics running high and pull back on the graphics.
Here is to hoping the hood-cam has the head bobbing & bobbing / inertia swinging effect of PGR3. Inside the car would be better, but a hood cam that was slightly bumpy could be cool.

Btw, I heard that the photomode and TV were lifted directly from PGR3. The above article indicates such. They talk about sharing technology, beta testing for eachother, etc. They go on to say everything in PGR3 online will be in Forza 2. (Btw, seeing custom paint jobs on EVERY car == AWESOME!!)

Which leaves me confused: MS really needs to buy Bizarre. I guess there is some hope that the cabin view in PGR3 will be ripped and mounted on the hood or something...

Anyhow, 300 cars and 60 tracks... sign me up!
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Muwahahaha

rjcc
rjcc
Since 6154 Days
they need to make the matchmaking better (be able to see how many people are waiting for a game, ability to choose car AFTER joining a room so you cna actually do random, etc.)

pgr3's match,making was interesting, but its made it much harder to get a race going than it should be.
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Sidons
Sidons
Since 5942 Days
Thank God for Forza's exstence! I still laugh when I remember one of my friends that came to my house and said to me..: Hay man have you seen Grant Turismo 4? Wow its wicked you can see the drivers head! ..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! so I took him to my room where I showed him a demo of Forza and then I said to him..If it took them 4 GT to come up with Helmets imagine how many Gt have to be made so you would see scratch paint in the walls :) .. Anyway even after that I was always cranky with the fact of the frame rate.. Its because there a lot os gamers out there that dont understand graphics and they just play whatever looks more delicious.. Forza has 1 million times better graphics than GT .. But an amateur looking at GT's Replay will be dazled.. So I believe this time there have to be no mistakes where Sony can put its hand and scratch!
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Jato
Jato
Since 6014 Days
I hope they change some other things that they did in Forza...
The 300 cars figure is very nice and all, but in Forza 1 there were also many cars, but many were very much alike.,
For example, you had like 4 or 5 different Nissan Skyline's, and the only differences were in the paintjob, spoiler, or some minor specs.
Also, they say Forza 2 will have 60 tracks, but half of them are probably reverse tracks.
Also, in Forza 1 there were a lot of cars you couldn't custumize, or only in very few details.
I did like Forza 1, but only for a short period, it was very annoying to proceed in the career mode and then to face the same tracks over and over, very boring after a while.
And like I said the lack of costumization in many cars was very disapointing as well.

BTW, Forza 1 a million times better graphics then GT4?
*shakes head*
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There is no next-gen!

rjcc
rjcc
Since 6154 Days
did we play the same forza? there were a few skylines, but not like GT4's twenty different tuner models that are all the same. and the number of cars you couldn't customize was really small and basically limited to the race cars, licensing issues are jsut a reality. It's not like you couldn't customize the ferraris or something.

I don't know why you would expect to be able to customize race cars when the reality of the situation is that just can't happen.

the number of tracks is a valid concern, but I was ok with the tracks in forza so personally I'm not concerned.

forza did have better graphics than GT4.
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Jato
Jato
Since 6014 Days
I used the Skyline just as an example, I didn't count them and I might exaggerate a bit, but there were a lot of cars very alike and so I don't feel saying the game has so many cars is fair, when many are almost exactly the same.
I don't know how many there are in GT4, but I don't really care and I don't understand why you bring that up, cause that has nothing to do with Forza 1.

As far as I can remember the number of car's you could really costumize was small.
In the beginning with for example a Corrado, you could costumize almost everything, but as the game progresses, the costumization went down aswell.
Not that I'm an costumization freak, but when they claim you can costumize everything on the car, but it only counts for a few cars in the beginning, I think that's just bull.

And Forza 1 doesn't have better graphics then GT4, that's your opinion, not a fact, many people, including me, think GT4 looks better.
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There is no next-gen!

Jollipop
Jollipop
Since 6020 Days
I agree that GT4 looks better than Forza 1. (GT3 also does)

I played the hell out of GT3 and hardly touched Forza, for some reason it didn't pull me in like GT did.

I'm not a big racing fan anyways, so realism isn't really a big thing for me, i just like watching the replays LMAO.

I quite liked the license challenges you get in GT though some of those are pretty hard.
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LEBATO - IS WRONG
LEBATO
Since 6259 Days
Posted by Jollipop
I agree that GT4 looks better than Forza 1. (GT3 also does)

I played the hell out of GT3 and hardly touched Forza, for some reason it didn't pull me in like GT did.

I'm not a big racing fan anyways, so realism isn't really a big thing for me, i just like watching the replays LMAO.

I quite liked the license challenges you get in GT though some of those are pretty hard.
Whoa, you are taking it too far, GT3 looks better than Forza? Come on. Anyways, I think Forza looks better than BOTH.

Also, Optimus, didn't you make a thread EXACTLY like this some time ago? This is information we all know of.......except for the photomode sharing part, which is new info :D
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rjcc
rjcc
Since 6154 Days
Posted by Jato
I used the Skyline just as an example, I didn't count them and I might exaggerate a bit, but there were a lot of cars very alike and so I don't feel saying the game has so many cars is fair, when many are almost exactly the same.
I don't know how many there are in GT4, but I don't really care and I don't understand why you bring that up, cause that has nothing to do with Forza 1.

As far as I can remember the number of car's you could really costumize was small.
In the beginning with for example a Corrado, you could costumize almost everything, but as the game progresses, the costumization went down aswell.
Not that I'm an costumization freak, but when they claim you can costumize everything on the car, but it only counts for a few cars in the beginning, I think that's just bull.

And Forza 1 doesn't have better graphics then GT4, that's your opinion, not a fact, many people, including me, think GT4 looks better.
well, it does matter, because there are a whole lot of skyline models. your complaint is inflated car count, the fact is forza wasn't nearly the offender other games (sepcifically GT4) were in that area. If you don't think that less than 10 compared to 30 or so IIRC is relevant, well fine, you're the one who said it was a problem.

You seriously must have not played the game, because you could customize the majority of the cars. No you can't swap a honda engine into a ferarri later in the game, and there aren't a whole lot of optional body kits available for concept cars and track cars, so what were you expecting to customize? The options they gave you were stuff you could really do if you had the car, not "I'm going to add twin turbos to this concept car".
As far as paintjobs on race cars, thats a licensing issue, where's the beef there?

Many people, including you, are blind or only look at screenshots. Forza looked better than GT4. They had a less photorealistic art style, but they ended up looking much better and much more real as you were playing. Not to mention the cars in forza were way more fun and realistic to drive. GT4 "supported" 1080i, but looked horrible with all of its jaggies, forza was much better in 480p.
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LEBATO - IS WRONG
LEBATO
Since 6259 Days
Posted by rjcc
well, it does matter, because there are a whole lot of skyline models. your complaint is inflated car count, the fact is forza wasn't nearly the offender other games (sepcifically GT4) were in that area. If you don't think that less than 10 compared to 30 or so IIRC is relevant, well fine, you're the one who said it was a problem.

You seriously must have not played the game, because you could customize the majority of the cars. No you can't swap a honda engine into a ferarri later in the game, and there aren't a whole lot of optional body kits available for concept cars and track cars, so what were you expecting to customize? The options they gave you were stuff you could really do if you had the car, not "I'm going to add twin turbos to this concept car".
As far as paintjobs on race cars, thats a licensing issue, where's the beef there?

Many people, including you, are blind or only look at screenshots. Forza looked better than GT4. They had a less photorealistic art style, but they ended up looking much better and much more real as you were playing. Not to mention the cars in forza were way more fun and realistic to drive. GT4 "supported" 1080i, but looked horrible with all of its jaggies, forza was much better in 480p.
I agree with you entirely, I really don't get Jato, he seems to be yet another GT fanboy. I was one day, but Forza is the definetive winner in this subgenre.

Yes, in GT4 there were somewhere around 30-40 Skylines that made no sense at all. At least in Forza, you could customize them differently and they would look and feel different, that actually makes sense to have them there. And then again, it was no where the same numer as GT4 as far as repeting cars go.

And it's kind of hypocritical from Jato (and that's partly how I concluded he's just one GT fanboy) it's that he talks about the "limited" customization in Forza while on GT4 you can do ZERO outside customization aside from a spolier I think? It was really pathetic.

Customization in Forza was huge. Street cars you could change the body kits AND do all the customization you can in GT4 in areas like suspension, engine, brakes, etc. Cars you could not change things on were mostly supercars, cars like the 360 Modena, you could not change spoilers on those cars, but you could still paint a hello kitty on it if you wanted to and change the rims and all the other customization found in GT4.

So to make a long story short, customization was better in Forza 1.

And lastly, graphics. This debate has been talked to death, but I'll talk a bit more about it. The cars in Forza used more polygons and it was easy to notice. The windows were not overly obscured (black tint) as in GT4, so you could see the driver, NOT shadow of a "driver" as in GT4. The only time you could really see the driver was in convertible cars, and it was a trade-off of polygons in GT4. While GT4 cars' door handles looked flat, the vast majority of cars in Forza used actual polygons to render the handles. So basically, were GT4 was using textures, Forza was using polygons.

But that's just cars, which by the way, more cars (2 more) were on track at the same time in Forza than GT4. Again, that's cars, let's talk about tracks. The tracks in Forza were done a billion times better than those in GT4. The amount of detail was huge. While PD decided to not place a building, Turn 10 did. The result was a much more true to life track in Forza. I once saw a comparison of the Laguna Seca in Forza and GT4, the difference was huge to say the least. So really, with the exception of the Nurburgring, the tracks in Forza looked more than just a few steps ahead of the GT4 tracks.

Another thing, I'm not done yet. Shadowing and lighting were also better in Forza. GT displayed mostly "boxed" shadows for every car while the Forza shadows rendered what should be rendered, not faked shadowing.

But there's more, and I'm going to keep it simple. Damage in Forza to NO damage in GT4.

And more. The jaggies in GT4 were offending at times. As we know, Forza was using AA, and it showed. So what you got left is a better framerate in GT4 and that's about it.
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rjcc
rjcc
Since 6154 Days
forza was a car nuts game. it had it's issues and in some areas GT still had it beat (true force feedback wheel most noticeably) but GT4 was like a punch in the gut for fans of the GT series with how much the didn't improve, and forza was a breath of fresh air.



also --- the forza guys are on major nelson's podcast this week, I just downloaded it
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bloodforge
bloodforge
Since 6130 Days
All this info is great and all but I just want to see a damn screenshot already.
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Acert93 - Mr. Bad Cop
Acert93
Since 6108 Days
This thread was going great until people started calling others "blind" and "fanboys".

You can disagree and give reasons why without insulting. Insults are grounds for a ban. Those who continue to post in this thread (and Xboxyde) would do good to make note of this.
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Muwahahaha

Jollipop
Jollipop
Since 6020 Days
This thread was going great until people started calling others "blind" and "fanboys".
Well don't look at me.. :P
Many people, including you, are blind or only look at screenshots. Forza looked better than GT4. They had a less photorealistic art style, but they ended up looking much better and much more real as you were playing.
How could GT4 have more photorealistic cars and better art style yet forza looked better, that is contradicting yourself.

They ended up looking better as you played because you got used to it. (i'm guessing)
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Acert93 - Mr. Bad Cop
Acert93
Since 6108 Days
Here is my spin on it...

GT4 had backed on everything. Which looked great... until you realized they were as static was painting. Forza, due to the dynamic nature of the modelling, was not as solid in screenshots, in motion -- specifically motion into stuff hehe -- the realism came through.

Because of how they appeal to our senses differently -- one with solid models, one with solid interaction -- it appeals to different people's brains differently. It all depends on what you like, what you are familiar with... and whether you mother dropped you on your head 1x or 2x after she realized how ugly you were.
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Now that I retired I can play more MGS games.

rjcc
rjcc
Since 6154 Days
Posted by Jollipop
This thread was going great until people started calling others "blind" and "fanboys".
Well don't look at me.. :P
Many people, including you, are blind or only look at screenshots. Forza looked better than GT4. They had a less photorealistic art style, but they ended up looking much better and much more real as you were playing.
How could GT4 have more photorealistic cars and better art style yet forza looked better, that is contradicting yourself.

They ended up looking better as you played because you got used to it. (i'm guessing)
No I said different art style, not better. GT's cars were fake photorealistic. they looked good in replays, in stills. but as soon as you rotated the camera around or zoomed in, you realized most of the details weren't there and the lighting didn't react appropriately. forza's cars were real, and looked real as you moved around them and as they moved. they are much more a part of forza's "world".


and GT looked horrrrible in motion and had jaggies all over the place. then in replays it looked totally different than when you were actually playing. There is absolutely no contest during gameplay between forza and GT.
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Jato
Jato
Since 6014 Days
It's staggering how people call you a fanboy of the "opposite" when you disagree with them, I think it's pathetic how you have to explain each time that you don't care about branches or consoles but GAMES!!!
I don't own/have owned a PS2, I don't own/have owned GT4.
I do own Forza 1 and I have played GT4 elsewhere and I happen to find GT4 a better looking game, that's it.
I'm not talking about car physics or other stuff, I was just commenting on what someone said here that Forza 1 looks a million times better then GT4, which I think it doesn't.
Also, my point was that what I find Forza is lacking, has nothing to do with what GT4 lacks.
If I say that I think a certain shirt is ugly, you don't go pointing at another shirt and say; "well that shirt over there is 10 times uglier, so!"
That doesn't concern me, I just think that shirt's ugly, regardless how the other shirt looks.
I do agree that Forza 1 has better car physics and is probably technically better, but I think GT4 is realistic looking overal.
Forza 1 is just to plastic, colourfull, over the top, but hey, that's just an opinion of a blind GT4 fanboy...
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There is no next-gen!

rjcc
rjcc
Since 6154 Days
In that case, I think your opinion would change if you played more GT. GT looks good for stills and once in a replay, but the graphical tricks they're using are highly unsatisfying while you're actually playing the game and the shininess of the replays gets old quickly.

I think you would compare two shirts if they were the only two dress shirts or t-shirts or whatever available, and since they're really the only two console titles of their caliber, it is an apt comparison.
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roxwell - PuS3Y
roxwell
Since 6085 Days
They are both great racing games that we can all agree on.
what is best? Would be an individual choice or preference.
The split here would go to reinforce that.

Shirts? Well I would make any shirt look good, so i can't comment :p
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Don't touch that Squirrels nuts! Fanboy=Ban boy.

Jollipop
Jollipop
Since 6020 Days
It's staggering how people call you a fanboy of the "opposite" when you disagree with them, I think it's pathetic how you have to explain each time that you don't care about branches or consoles but GAMES!!!
I totally agree with you ..

The times i have to defend myself when i give my honest opinion is ridiculous, seems everyone here assumes i am a Sony fanboy even though they don't say it, nothing could be further from the truth though, i just think some people are so wrapped up in the 360 they don't want to understand that other people like other consoles aswell.
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Jato
Jato
Since 6014 Days
I don't think my opinion will change on that matter...

And if you look back at my first post, I am discussing Forza 1 regarding the coming release of Forza 2, that's it.
The comment I made about Forza 1 not being 1 milion times better looking than GT4, which I allready regret saying on an xbox forum, has nothing to do with my comments above.
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There is no next-gen!

Jato
Jato
Since 6014 Days
Posted by Jollipop
totally agree with you ..

The times i have to defend myself when i give my honest opinion is ridiculous, seems everyone here assumes i am a Sony fanboy even though they don't say it, nothing could be further from the truth though, i just think some people are so wrapped up in the 360 they don't want to understand that other people like other consoles aswell.
I feel your pain, lol...:)
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There is no next-gen!

rjcc
rjcc
Since 6154 Days
Posted by roxwell
They are both great racing games that we can all agree on.
what is best? Would be an individual choice or preference.
The split here would go to reinforce that.

Shirts? Well I would make any shirt look good, so i can't comment :p
I wouldn't call GT4 a great racing game. Jato hasn't played much GT4 and doesn't own it so I'm sure he wouldn't comment on its quality, and Jolli claims not to be a big dring game fan. So I dunno who you're agreeing with.
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rjcc
rjcc
Since 6154 Days
Posted by Jato
I don't think my opinion will change on that matter...

And if you look back at my first post, I am discussing Forza 1 regarding the coming release of Forza 2, that's it.
The comment I made about Forza 1 not being 1 milion times better looking than GT4, which I allready regret saying on an xbox forum, has nothing to do with my comments above.
The thigs you're complaining about only make sense in reference to other games in he genre. if you're not comparing to GT4, then what? Most people need what is called "a frame of reference", perhpas you don't and have only ever played forza motorsport thoroughly, despite your issues with it. In that case I'd recommend you expand your experience with other titles so you can find out what you like.

Why Jolli would suggest "some are so wrapped up in the 360" that they'd actually suggest you play a PS2 game is well beyond my reasoning.
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