I'll wait until I see some actual gameplay..so far so good though. Not bad for a dead franchise.

I'll just say yes, and drop it right there.

Yes but you didn't miss much.

It could be argued that you sort of did miss one of the first console fps' franchises that didn't suck. Turok 1 and 2, for their respective time, weren't bad at all. On top of that they were really pretty aswell! :O

Turok 3 and onward are basically irrelevant though.

I was wrapped up in PC gaming at the time, and I still to this day think that every (that's right, EVERY) FPS on N64 is horribly over rated. It's hard for me to get interested in four player split screen madness (with horrible controls by comparison) when we were busy playing QuakeWorld on the internet.

In my admitably PC centric point of view, Halo was the first console FPS really worth playing. That includes Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Turok, Time Splitters, etc.

I see what you mean, though I didn't really have a problem with controls and stuff. Since N64 was all 3D accelerated (before PC games were) it was also a stunner from that perspective. Especially the water was just gob smackingly beautiful.

If I'm not wildly mistaken, it was a launch window title for europe.

I remember the blood looked fantastic too, really *pouring* out of the wounds you caused with the crossbow. Snazzy Acclaim-like stuff. :)

Anyway, I think critically Turok 2 was considered the dog's bollocks while people were less enthusiastic about 1.

Gamespot calls Turok 2 a "landmark shooter and a mustbuy" and scores it 9.0, while 1 snuck around the jungle with an 8.1.

ANNnnNYYyyyHoooOOOo.. I'll still agree that they're not terribly important on the whole.

3DFx's first Voodoo graphics card hit the market in 1996, a year earlier than Goldeneye and Turok were released on the Nintendo 64..so if the N64 beat the PC to accelerated 3D graphics, it wasn't by much.

Personally, I bought my first 3D card in 1997, it was a Riva128, nvidia's first major entry into the market.

And for the record, Quake was released in 1996 as well. The year prior to both Turok and Goldeneye's release on the Nintendo 64. In 1999 both we got games like Half Life (and Counter Strike) as well as UT99. All of these factors made it especially hard to get into console FPS games.

Well, N64 came out in march 96, and even the games that did benefit from 3DFx at the time were no match for the graphics produced by the console. I remember seeing the PC port of G-Police running on an nvidia card and thinking that was the first game that really smashed any console counterpart.

In fact, location based damage and animation had me prefering Perfect Dark over things like Quake 2 and Half Life aswell, but by then the framerate was becoming a serious issue. :) I find it odd that Turok came out a year later, as I could've sworn I played it on a demo unit around launch here in europe. Odd.

Anyway, I make it sound like I was never into PC, which isn't accurate at all. I wasn't really into Quake 1 much, but I played Action Quake 2 religiously for almost five years. Rocket Arena was great too, but there was something about the atmosphere in AQ2 that had me paying nutty phone bills. Then there was Quake 2 in co-op, Heretic 2 in co-op, Unreal in co-op, Shogo, Forsaken.. and before that there were of course many more. Ach, can't name them all. :)

My biggest period of PC gaming was between Saturn and Dreamcast though. When the DC came out I never really itched to get back into it.

Not that this is a comparison thread or anything, but I've always felt drawn to the "organic" nature of console graphics and controls. Whether they lost definition, texture quality, effects or the split second handling of a mouse, I've always embraced the fuzzy warmness of graphics, the emphasis on animation, and the "smoothness" and flow slower controls bring.

You really think that Goldeneye has significantly better graphics than the OpenGL version of Quake 1? I don't, I think Goldeneye is (and was) a mess visually.

I'll give it location damage, though I see it as more of a design decision, Doom 3 and Quake 4 do without headshots, while otherwise being rather modern games. Half Life though? At the very least, such a thing is included in Counter Strike. It sorta blows my mind how one could find Perfect Dark more apealing than HL in any way. Half Life is one of the best FPS games ever made. UT99 obviously has location based damage as well.

I actually like the old build engine games (Duke3d, Blood) more than N64 shooters :P

Shogo rules btw, I hope we get another light hearted shooter from Monolith soon. No One Lives Forever 2 is one of their bestest games.

Guess I'm a bit of an FPS-snob. Atleast I'll admit it :)

You're really picked a poor time to quit PC gaming, I think. The Dreamcast came out in 1999, which was quite a year for PC gaming. I think 2007 is going to turn into one of the best in a long, long time, too.

Eeek, no, Bond always looked terrible to me, but that was more of a design thing really. It was like the early 3D NHL games where they wrapped a photo of the player around a squareish poly-head. What I meant by location based damage (was a bit misguiding there) was how you shoot someone in the leg and they react to that. Shoot them in the face and they go "ow, my face" and grab their noggin'.

But yeah, Shogo was brill, and indeed I think in general we could do with more shooters that don't try to be overly serious. Of course you can get a giggle out of Gears sometimes when it strikes you how silly it is when you think about it, but that's not quite the same thing I suppose. :D

Well... it has leaves!

Consillitis.

But yeah, I think it's the foliage. It does look good, but I'll wait for some actual gameplay screenshots.

Simon: Monolith were the kings of the light hearted shooter. Blood, Shogo, and No One Lives Forever are all very fine examples of this. Bloods humor remains unmatched, a damn shame that Blood 2 sucked.

Yeah, I wonder why it did though. I had it actually, and I'm still puzzled as to why and how it went wrong. It's almost an okay game in many ways, and the writing is still technically really funny and cool, but it's like it was a neglected brother to Shogo, tech wise. Huge shame indeed.

Now that they're on a gloomy darkness streak, I doubt they'll bring out anything like NOLF in quite a while. :/

Since I enjoyed PDZ thoroughly, I'm crossing fingers they have a much more coherent and well written story for a PD2 where her wittyness has actual wit. I'd love that.

In the meantime we've got Crysis and Gears setting bars everyone else will follow for a while, so we'll prolly need to look backwards for light hearted and clever shooters.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if DNF came out right now it'd be the best timed game ever. The climate is like.. a.. girl... ready for... sexual intercourse. :O

Yeah, the first couple Turoks had some nice features. The Monkey MP mode and of course the brain drill... yum!

@ Grift: While 007 has some weak points, it also did a LOT very well. And the week points, at the time, were still pretty good. The depth of the modes, as well the the story driven with excellent AI scripting for the time. The variety of missions and objectives was a lot of fun, as well as the large variety in sceneries. As well as gadgets and weapons w/ secondary modes. And there is no denying the instant fun of 4 people in a room playing together--something bulky PCs have always had issues with. As for controls, 007 offered a lot of variety and options -- even dual analog sticks. It worked for its design imo.

As a big PC gamer at the time as well I would say I personally enjoyed 007 more than Q1 and Q2. They were good, but also lacking a lot of the things that made 007 geat. They had nice graphics and nice KB/MS input, but design wise I really prefer 007. HL1, on the other hand, with TFC totally killed 007 ;)

Ack. You bring shame to PC gamers everywhere. Quake 1 DM is much more playable today than Goldeneye, that should tell you something.

And you're right, you can have MORE than four people in a room playing Quake. PC gamers weren't afraid to lug their boxes around back then. Lan party > N64 on a crappy little SDTV :P