Castlevania: Symphony of the Night - now on marketplace!

Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 6639 Days
It is up on marketplace now...enjoy!
In reply to

DARK SECTOR - Fall 2007
Dark Sector, Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, Too Human, Devil May Cry 4, , Ninja Gaiden 2, Resident Evil 5, Fable 2, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed.
-----------------------------------
*A NEW FORM OF CHANGE*
--------------------

Salarien
Salarien
Since 6437 Days
95 mb wow
In reply to
Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 6639 Days
Damn I REALLY want a next-gen Castlevania game that plays like DMC or Ninja Gaiden!
In reply to

DARK SECTOR - Fall 2007
Dark Sector, Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, Too Human, Devil May Cry 4, , Ninja Gaiden 2, Resident Evil 5, Fable 2, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed.
-----------------------------------
*A NEW FORM OF CHANGE*
--------------------

Isomac
Isomac
Since 6540 Days
Posted by Sath
Damn I REALLY want a next-gen Castlevania game that plays like DMC or Ninja Gaiden!
Hey don't ruin Castlevania's dude. Some games are better in 2d. I so want Castlevania game for 360 and PS Triple to be 2d with 720p.
In reply to
Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 6639 Days
Posted by Isomac
Hey don't ruin Castlevania's dude. Some games are better in 2d. I so want Castlevania game for 360 and PS Triple to be 2d with 720p.
Don't make me hurt you Iso. There are plenty of 2d games of Castlevania, and I have no played any of them except this one long time ago and no on the 360. Made me really want to see on next-gen.

Look how Ninja Gaiden turned out, and see how you bitch all the time that you managed Master Ninja mode =P haha.
In reply to

DARK SECTOR - Fall 2007
Dark Sector, Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, Too Human, Devil May Cry 4, , Ninja Gaiden 2, Resident Evil 5, Fable 2, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed.
-----------------------------------
*A NEW FORM OF CHANGE*
--------------------

Isomac
Isomac
Since 6540 Days
Posted by Sath
Don't make me hurt you Iso. There are plenty of 2d games of Castlevania, and I have no played any of them except this one long time ago and no on the 360. Made me really want to see on next-gen.

Look how Ninja Gaiden turned out, and see how you bitch all the time that you managed Master Ninja mode =P haha.
Bring it on let's see some fighting :P But you have to wait a bit before I can get back to home. Well yeah NG was good. I have the PS2 Castlevania and I can say it sucked. It is just so boring. Only good thing in the game was the music.
In reply to

Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan 2

Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 6639 Days
Well if it is done right, why not. Team Ninja did excellent from 2D to 3D. If a next-gen version of Castlevania would come out and actually was good and played similar to other 3rd person games like NG, DMC and God of War.
I read that Konami is planning to do a next-gen Castlevania, but they are waiting to see how the industry looks like.

Ah well...hoping for a well made next-gen game then.
In reply to

DARK SECTOR - Fall 2007
Dark Sector, Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, Too Human, Devil May Cry 4, , Ninja Gaiden 2, Resident Evil 5, Fable 2, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed.
-----------------------------------
*A NEW FORM OF CHANGE*
--------------------

Optimusv2
Optimusv2
Since 6665 Days
95MB for a playstation game? Damn :o I think if we buy this game in mass amounts Konami will consider you know what :D
In reply to

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

alimokrane
alimokrane
Since 6703 Days
Posted by Optimusv2
95MB for a playstation game? Damn :o I think if we buy this game in mass amounts Konami will consider you know what :D
Silent Hill 1 please!
In reply to

It's All About The Games!!!!!!!!!

Phaethon360 - Mr Pant<s>s</s>ies
Phaethon360
Since 6619 Days
Posted by Sath
Damn I REALLY want a next-gen Castlevania game that plays like DMC or Ninja Gaiden!
http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/castlevaniacurs...

They made one Sath. And like Iso said, they ruined it.
In reply to
Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 6639 Days
Maybe Konami sucks at 3D gaming then =S.
Posted by Phaethon360
They made on Sath.
That sounded weird =P
In reply to

DARK SECTOR - Fall 2007
Dark Sector, Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, Too Human, Devil May Cry 4, , Ninja Gaiden 2, Resident Evil 5, Fable 2, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed.
-----------------------------------
*A NEW FORM OF CHANGE*
--------------------

Optimusv2
Optimusv2
Since 6665 Days
Posted by alimokrane
Silent Hill 1 please!
MGS4 please =P
In reply to

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Isomac
Isomac
Since 6540 Days
Posted by Phaethon360
http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/castlevaniacurs...

They made one Sath. And like Iso said, they ruined it.
I wish they had only made one but http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/castlevaniatent... :(
In reply to

Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan 2

SimonM7 - The other mod's bitch
SimonM7
Since 6796 Days
Thing is though, Castlevania isn't really an action game like Ninja Gaiden, even less so like DMC. I suppose they could do a complete overhaul and get compared to those two, but I think the core Castlevania fanbase would be a little upset.

Truth is, Castlevania these days (starting with the topical SoTN) have more in common with Metroid.

Metroid Prime could've gone outright first person shooter with all the blasting that comes with that genre, but it stayed firmly adventurous, hence being in essence the same game but in three beautiful dimensions.

I think the reason 3D Castlevanias have been failing is that Konami are a bit rubbish at them, not neccessarily because it won't ever work in 3D. The mindset has been the right one, with games employing essentially the same main tasks as Castlevanias should, but they just fall short when it comes to making any of it particularly engaging.
In reply to

http://www.gamespot.com/users/SimonM7 - AETOA Gamespot

kenshin2418 - Junior Detective
kenshin2418
Since 6748 Days
Posted by Optimusv2
95MB for a playstation game? Damn :o I think if we buy this game in mass amounts Konami will consider you know what :D
The Capcom effect, eh? Sounds like a plan
In reply to

Hibachi!

roxwell - PuS3Y
roxwell
Since 6721 Days
Posted by Optimusv2
95MB for a playstation game? Damn :o I think if we buy this game in mass amounts Konami will consider you know what :D
Legend of the Mystical Ninja?
In reply to

I've done the kessel run in less then 8 parsecs :p

FireWire - IEEE 1394
FireWire
Since 6773 Days
I just downloaded it and afte doing the free demo i bought it.. I haven't played this Castlevania yet and i really enjoy it so far... I just got my "soul of the wolf" power, just have no idea what i can do with the wolf form yet :S
In reply to

"You're being arrested for drunk driving."
"Drunk definitely, I don't know if you could call it driving."

GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 6773 Days
Posted by SimonM7
Thing is though, Castlevania isn't really an action game like Ninja Gaiden, even less so like DMC. I suppose they could do a complete overhaul and get compared to those two, but I think the core Castlevania fanbase would be a little upset.

Truth is, Castlevania these days (starting with the topical SoTN) have more in common with Metroid.

Metroid Prime could've gone outright first person shooter with all the blasting that comes with that genre, but it stayed firmly adventurous, hence being in essence the same game but in three beautiful dimensions.

I think the reason 3D Castlevanias have been failing is that Konami are a bit rubbish at them, not neccessarily because it won't ever work in 3D. The mindset has been the right one, with games employing essentially the same main tasks as Castlevanias should, but they just fall short when it comes to making any of it particularly engaging.
I don't think the series translates well into 3D at all, and they should basically stop trying. There are only two good Castlevania formulas really--the bad ass old school formula that is somewhat restrictive in movement but challenging and highly engaging in its own right--and the Metroid style formula where this game represents the first in that trend. I realise that Metroid made it into 3D pretty successfully, but to me that game isn't really any more Metroid than Devil May Cry is Castlevania. That maybe a bit of an exadgeration, but I still don't really care for Prime's design that much personally. Movement/Aiming is a big turnoff for me--but maybe that's because I love real FPS games--I believe the franchise would have been much better off if treated with a third person design personally.

Basically, if they want to make 3D action/adventure games out of Castlevania, they're better off dropping the franchise name and doing something original. Keep on making classic Castlevania games (both styles) on portables and DLC marketplaces instead. The brand name is not so powerful anymore that they really need to attach it to a game just to sell it--and these last couple of games while decent attempts just aren't Castlevania.

SotN is a great game. I won't be picking this version up as I've played it a a ton already, and plan on buying the remixed version along with Dracula X Chronicles instead. They should bring DracX to XBLA too :)

If you want a Castlevania game that plays like Devil May Cry, you're just better off playing Devil May Cry anyway--Konami isn't going to top that. If you want Castlevania, play this or play the DS games or play Dracula X Chronicles on the PSP. They're all much better options.
In reply to
Isomac
Isomac
Since 6540 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
They should bring DracX to XBLA too :)
Words of wisdom. That would be the best day in XBLA!
In reply to

Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan 2

SimonM7 - The other mod's bitch
SimonM7
Since 6796 Days
Well, I being of the firm opinion that Metroid Prime is one of the finest games there are, period, I'll refrain from making comments in regards to that. :D

But anyhoo, I think any game works in 3D if approached from the right angle with a real understanding of what can transistion well from one.. er.. dimension to the other. It's obviously never gonna be the same, I mean that would make the process pointless, but it could certainly be exactly the same - but different. :)

I think the real reason for going into 3D with a 2D franchise should be to use the format for doing things differently while staying true to its roots. Things go wrong when they're doing the same thing but on a Z axis just to catch the eyes of the punters.

Edit:

I should also add some controversy by saying I think Ninja Gaiden is a "terrible" 3D adaptation of a 2D action game. It's a brilliant game of course, far better than the 2D games were (despite their coolness), but it's a re-imagination of the franchise rather than a 2D game brought to life in 3D.
In reply to

http://www.gamespot.com/users/SimonM7 - AETOA Gamespot

szaromir
szaromir
Since 6530 Days
Posted by SimonM7
I should also add some controversy by saying I think Ninja Gaiden is a "terrible" 3D adaptation of a 2D action game. It's a brilliant game of course, far better than the 2D games were (despite their coolness), but it's a re-imagination of the franchise rather than a 2D game brought to life in 3D.
So is Prince of Persia Sands of Time, but honestly if I love the game why should I care? sequels to Sands of Time average though :(
In reply to
GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 6773 Days
Posted by SimonM7
I should also add some controversy by saying I think Ninja Gaiden is a "terrible" 3D adaptation of a 2D action game. It's a brilliant game of course, far better than the 2D games were (despite their coolness), but it's a re-imagination of the franchise rather than a 2D game brought to life in 3D.
You sir, are out of your mind. Ninja Gaiden did a far better job at brining the series into three dimensions than Metroid Prime could ever dream of. Finest games there are..er..no. Exactly the same but different..er, NO! (come on now--that's just a complete contradiction) It is almost impossible to bring 2D games "to life" in 3D (imo)--the best attempts are all rather poor if you ask me. At least Ninja Gaiden feels like it's a Ninja Gaiden game, despite being okay with the fact that it's completely different. How well has Sonic made the transition into 3D--and how well does that hold up against other original 3D platforming games? Not very well, I think.

Sure it's been done somewhat well in the past (Mario, Rayman, hell Metal Gear all come to mind) but I think companies are much better off going ahead with new IP rather than trying to keep a franchise alive forever. Castlevania's greatness will never come across in 3D, ever. They're better off sticking to what they do best.

PS. The 2D Ninja Gaiden games are greatness. Well, NG1 and NG2 (NES) are, at least.
Posted by szaromir
So is Prince of Persia Sands of Time, but honestly if I love the game why should I care? sequels to Sands of Time average though :(
That's a damn good transition too. I didn't mean to make it sound like I'm completely against the concept, but it fails more often than it succeeds..especially when we're talking about Castlevania. They could totally make Metroidvania Prime--but it would suck--so I'm glad they're not.
In reply to
SimonM7 - The other mod's bitch
SimonM7
Since 6796 Days
You sir, are out of your mind. Ninja Gaiden did a far better job at brining the series into three dimensions than Metroid Prime could ever dream of.
Both in terms of pure quality of the games and in terms of quality of an adaptation we simply have to disagree.

Ninja Gaiden is one of the sharpest action games made, but it still doesn't retain any of its predecessors' feel. None. It does not feel like a Ninja Gaiden game, and if you reckon it does, then go ahead and make DMC out of Castlevania, because that would be just as accurate.

It's pointless to argue with you about Metroid Prime, especially when some of your arguments are as flimsy as "I prefer FPS, therefore the Zelda approach to targeting is wrong" it's difficult to find enough footing here. It's brilliant's all I can say. The sheer immersion of it all, the handcrafted locales with extreme attention to detail (detail you'll NOTICE, since you're not strafehopping around trying to precision shoot anything)

Dammit, there I go trying to argue anyway! *slaps self*

So anyway, I'll head back to Ninja Gaiden again.

I'm not saying that game isn't brilliant (in fact I SAID it's brilliant) but if any game could've been another IP alltogether it's that. A much better adaptation (understand that I'm making a distinction between game and adaptation) is Shinobi in my opinion. That retains its hardcore old school feel in killing opponents with one slash, having really tough platforming elements and being all about going from point A to point B.

Ninja Gaiden is like a Zelda with DMC combat in essence. It's way too deep to be an adaptation of its 2D predecessors, and it's simply a new, entirely different and better game.

As for the originals being greatness - of course they are. They're fucking ninja games in 2D - what do you expect? :O

Apart from Wrath of the Ninja.. that was really slow and dumb.
In reply to

http://www.gamespot.com/users/SimonM7 - AETOA Gamespot

GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 6773 Days
Yes I prefer having proper camera controls in 3D space--especially when I'm using a first person camera. I'm not saying that it's a bad game, but it doesn't click well with me period, and I think it would have come across much better (for myself) if it were third person. I've always seen the game as a third person adventure (down to the controls/gameplay) with a first person camera, and I just don't think that's a good idea.

And I don't know..I think Ninja Gaiden is a fine adaptation of the original games feel. It's fast and difficult action with elements of platforming as well (though they're not particularly strong). Sure there's some additional depth there, but I don't think there's anything wrong with that. As far as I'm concerned it's just as close to feeling like the original franchise as Shinobi is. It's not quite Zelda with Ninjas.

GTA's moved into 3D extremely successfully and is a much deeper game than its predecessors too--still feels like GTA though. Not really trying to make a point with that one..just thought of another really successful transition worth mentioning.

But really--none of that has anything to do with Castlevania. Every single 3D game that Konami has done in the series is basically trash, and I think they should give it up and concentrate on good 3D controls and gameplay with original content. They really need to focus on what making 3D action/adventure games with great gameplay is all about..they need a better foundation there. MGS is the only franshise (imo) that they've really done extremely well with in 3D--even as good as Silent Hill is, the way it handles really isn't a strong point.
In reply to
You have to be logged in to post in this forum!
Patreon

$135 of $400 per month

What's up?
  • MrWhite

    MrWhite v-----https://media1 .giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExdmlk Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExdmlkdG1jYW11cWRuZTg0bmRzamxqaXk2emprdzExNHhq dG1jYW11cWRuZTg0bmRzamxqaXk2emprdzExNHhqb3g3cTJkZSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlf amxqaXk2emprdzExNHhqb3g3cTJkZSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/TlK63ERYSGQsdqG04uc/giphy.gif b3g3cTJkZSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/TlK63ERYSGQsdqG04uc/giphy.gif bnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/TlK63ERYSGQsdqG04uc/giphy.gif aWQmY3Q9Zw/TlK63ERYSGQsdqG04uc/giphy.gif GQsdqG04uc/giphy.gif (1 Day ago)

  • Loakum

    Loakum *takes a sip of grape juice* The Great Awakening is happening…. (6 Weeks ago)

  • gigantor21

    gigantor21 We getting any Tekken 8 demo footage? (> 3 Months ago)

  • dc_coder_84

    dc_coder_84 Playing Half-Life 1 with ray tracing mod on Linux, yay ;) (> 3 Months ago)

  • nostradamus

    nostradamus MS-Bethesda-ABK does have some ring to it. My oh my, (> 3 Months ago)

  • Loakum

    Loakum Sony’s PlayStation Showcase was weaksauce….except for 5 great upcoming games. (> 3 Months ago)

  • Loakum

    Loakum *takes a sip of grape juice* Ah…such a good vintage. (> 3 Months ago)

  • Driftwood

    Driftwood Download is now functional again on Gamersyde. Sorry for the past 53 days or so when it wasn't. (> 3 Months ago)

  • Driftwood

    Driftwood Another (French) livestream today at 2:30 CEST but you're welcome to drop by and speak English. I will gladly answer in English when I get a chance to catch a breath. :) (> 3 Months ago)

  • Driftwood

    Driftwood GSY is getting some nice content at 3 pm CEST with our July podcast and some videos of the Deus Ex Mankind Divided preview build. :) (> 3 Months ago)

  • Driftwood

    Driftwood For once we'll be live at 4:30 pm CEST. Blim should not even be tired! (> 3 Months ago)

  • Driftwood

    Driftwood More Quantum Break coverage coming in a few hours, 9:00 a.m CEST. (> 3 Months ago)

  • Driftwood

    Driftwood We'll have a full review up for Firewatch at 7 pm CET. Videos will only be tomorrow though. (> 3 Months ago)

  • Driftwood

    Driftwood Tonight's livestream will be at 9:15 GMT+1, not GMT+2 as first stated. (> 3 Months ago)

Also on Gamersyde

Our Series X video of Unicorn Overlord

  • Monday, March 25, 2024
  • davton

Rise of the Ronin: Ray tracing analyzed

  • Monday, March 25, 2024
  • Driftwood