Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 5288 Days
Early yes, but concept is great, and how it is gonna play it is gonna be awesome.
I am glad that you have to time and combine stuff to defeat your enemy.

Depending on where in the environment you are, what is close to you like chairs, bottles, knifes...etc. and where the enemy is, you have to figure those things out to combine cool cinematic combat.
I for one can't wait, played Fable on Xbox long time ago and I loved it, and Fable 2 is gonna be great.

http://www.gamespot.com/video/927246/6174526/fable...


Edit: http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/741/741361/vid_...
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Acert93 - Mr. Bad Cop
Acert93
Since 5393 Days
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/803/803839p1.html

IGN praises it a lot too. This was in another thread, but Fable could use a dedicated thread.
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The fans have spoken. Concerning the graphics of the Halo 3 Beta: "There's so many little effects and things going on that make this game pretty much 2nd only to Gears at the moment."

Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 5288 Days
Posted by Acert93
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/803/803839p1.html

IGN praises it a lot too. This was in another thread, but Fable could use a dedicated thread.
Alright...should update the title when a news hit.
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szaromir
szaromir
Since 5178 Days
Wait, A/B/X/Y buttons are analogue? I thought they are digital in 360 controller. It wouldn't matter how hard you press the buttons if they were digital... It's good that they have world already created and now they are focusing focus mainly on balansing, tuning, improving graphics etc. Fable 1 was not polished and had cut corners.

BTW I love how Peter is talking about everything, so much passion in his voice.
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"That just happened 'cause that was awesome" - Randy Pitchford, Gearbox

Acert93 - Mr. Bad Cop
Acert93
Since 5393 Days
Wow. Peter, Fran & Co. actually have me interested in an RPG! An Action RPG with a deep fighting /combo system? Sweeeeeet! So we get RPG element, the ability to choose good or bad, and an action combat system to top it all off?!

The combat is single button based -- sounds lame, but IGN is praising it. The melees are rhythm bases....

X, X, (hold) X.
X, (pause) X, (hold) X

Different ages and skill levels produce different results. Long range and magic each have their own button as well. Tap the long range for quick fire arrows, or hold for more accurate, etc.

How you die sounds awesome as well! When you are "beaten" you go down. You can either give up some gold, exp, renown, etc to get back up OR stay down, get some scars (which impacts how people interact with you) and get up on your own. Ala Neo in the first Matrix, you come back for me! And when you get back up you get an extra "umpf!" to redeem yourself.

Oh, and you have a dog!

Wow, a MGS studio really innovating. Sounds awesome. I am glad Lionhead is getting major funding these days. This sounds like a killer app. Release it... when it is done MGS! Don't rush this.
Wait, A/B/X/Y buttons are analogue? I thought they are digital in 360 controller.
They are digital. In the IGN interview they talk about rhythm and hold/pause length. Didn't see anything about how hard you push. I know a few devs commented about the lack of analog back in 2005.
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The fans have spoken. Concerning the graphics of the Halo 3 Beta: "There's so many little effects and things going on that make this game pretty much 2nd only to Gears at the moment."

deftangel - Hot stuff!
deftangel
Since 5290 Days
Should have been shown on Monday. Enough.said. Peter's a very effusive speaker.
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monkey1988
Since 5409 Days
Posted by deftangel
Should have been shown on Monday. Enough.said. Peter's a very effusive speaker.
True that...lucky this guy isn't evil because his public speaking skills just make a believer out of everybody.
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szaromir
szaromir
Since 5178 Days
Acert - I thought that Molyneux suggeste in Gamespot interview that pressure on button has impact in combat, but now that I heard it again it seems he didn't say that at all.
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Should have been shown on Monday. Enough.said. Peter's a very effusive speaker.
Yeah, I'm not sure if this "only Fall 07" is really the best they could have done. Though if X07 is fantastic, we won't remember about poor E3 press conference. They must have a ton of things to reveal because they haven't announcend anything new since X06 (other than Pinata Parties and Buzz-clone).
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Slabs
Slabs
Since 5452 Days
The context sensitive stuff he showed a while ago seems to be integrated really nicely. I like the idea of moves making sense based on where you are.
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alimokrane
alimokrane
Since 5352 Days
I hate time based combos :( I hate them in DMC
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 5422 Days
Posted by alimokrane
I hate time based combos :( I hate them in DMC
But this isn't purely an action game, so maybe it will be okay. Personally I don't have a problem with them in an action game either, so long as the combo system is rather deep. This seems pretty simplified, but it's an RPG so I'm game.
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Optimusv2
Optimusv2
Since 5314 Days
Peter Molyneux.. man I love this guy. Just hearing him talking about games is just as good as playing one to me.

I like that he mentioned wanting to have some depth to combat. Mentioned Ninja Gaiden, Soul Calibur and Virtua Fighter. Not saying it'll be as extensive, but the fact that he's thinking about it and thats his intention is good enough for me.
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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.

dcdelgado
dcdelgado
Since 5282 Days
Now that video has peeped my interest :)
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XAL
XAL
Since 5415 Days
does anyone get errors when using IGN's video player? it's really pissing me off

some sort of flash 9 problem with IE
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alimokrane
alimokrane
Since 5352 Days
How the hell does he think that this combat system is actually interesting ? I am not getting where the innovation is AT ALL. sure it's a one button combat but he speaks of it in such a way it makes you think he reinvented the wheel!
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Slabs
Slabs
Since 5452 Days
Posted by alimokrane
How the hell does he think that this combat system is actually interesting ? I am not getting where the innovation is AT ALL. sure it's a one button combat but he speaks of it in such a way it makes you think he reinvented the wheel!
<7d77>http://uk.gamespot.com/video/0/6156236/videoplayerpop?

Watch that, the contextual stuff will be amazing if he pulls it off and this time he has another year to do it in.
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szaromir
szaromir
Since 5178 Days
Posted by alimokrane
How the hell does he think that this combat system is actually interesting ? I am not getting where the innovation is AT ALL. sure it's a one button combat but he speaks of it in such a way it makes you think he reinvented the wheel!
It's Molyneux! why are you surprised?
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Ronsauce
Ronsauce
Since 5407 Days
Posted by alimokrane
How the hell does he think that this combat system is actually interesting ?
It sure sounds a lot more interesting than clicking through menus ala jrpgs.
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alimokrane
alimokrane
Since 5352 Days
Posted by Ronsauce
It sure sounds a lot more interesting than clicking through menus ala jrpgs.
There's something called taste and clearly you dont like JRPGS just as I dont like uninspired western RPGs (with very few exceptions). I guess we're even now :)
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szaromir
szaromir
Since 5178 Days
lol what does "uninspired western RPGs" even mean?
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alimokrane
alimokrane
Since 5352 Days
Posted by szaromir
lol what does "uninspired western RPGs" even mean?
to sum it up, an RPG with a shallow story, lame (i.e. uninspired) art direction all covered up with a dark theme to cover things up.

PS: my above comment doesnt refer to Fable 2. Infact, I only were complaining about tthe combat and he went ahead and brought JRPGs into the discussion :)
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szaromir
szaromir
Since 5178 Days
Posted by alimokrane
to sum it up, an RPG with a shallow story, lame (i.e. uninspired) art direction all covered up with a dark theme to cover things up.
Sounds like a description of your typical Japanese RPG.

Anyway, let's move on. I just watched the combat demo and it's not quite perfect yet. And when Molyneux said the combat would be context sensitive, I also thought it would be environmental context as shown at X06.
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Ronsauce
Ronsauce
Since 5407 Days
Posted by szaromir
lol what does "uninspired western RPGs" even mean?
It means that despite the fact that Fable has a unique art style and fun gameplay, he dislikes it because it's not Japanese.

Honestly alimo, I don't see how you can rip on a game for using one button(actually 3) that can be pressed/held in varying rhythms to perform different context sensitive moves and say it's disinteresting when you obviously are all about a genre of game that features one-button, menu-based combat that has been around for decades.

You are right, I don't like jrpgs. I don't like turn-based "combat," and when it's meshed with childish writing and incoherent story-telling(although these two things may stem from issues with translation), it only becomes that much more of a chore.
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Ronsauce
Ronsauce
Since 5407 Days
Posted by alimokrane
PS: my above comment doesnt refer to Fable 2. Infact, I only were complaining about tthe combat and he went ahead and brought JRPGs into the discussion :)
I brought jrpgs into it because it's hypocritical to get so worked up about a dev being excited about his combat system(..that actually sounds pretty good and hasn't been done in an rpg yet) when a genre you are obviously a fan of features some of the slowest, least engaging, least innovative combat of anything out there.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 5422 Days
Posted by Ronsauce
I brought jrpgs into it because it's hypocritical to get so worked up about a dev being excited about his combat system(..that actually sounds pretty good and hasn't been done in an rpg yet) when a genre you are obviously a fan of features some of the slowest, least engaging, least innovative combat of anything out there.
I don't know.. what he showed was pretty shallow to be honest. And I'm no big JRPG fan either. I don't think we really need to rip into what is honestly a separate genre just because we don't like it. I do think this game should turn into something truly special but I can understand why people rag on Peter Molyneux, as much as I personally respect him and his games. He does often come off as a little arrogant, though I think he made the statement of "best" a little more clear.. it's the way he conveys his message that turns people off.

I also hate the generalizations, but I'm actually in agreement for the most part. I've never been a big JRPG fan, although some of them certainly appeal to me more than others. I will play Trusty Bell, even though I was expecting quite a bit more out of it.

But yeah.. when he actually sought out the least experienced gamer to show how simple the combat system is, it speaks well of accessibility, but that's about it. It certainly doesn't seem very deep. Yet.

It is still early.
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