First Forza 2 screenshots? Come in a judge!!!

LEBATO

Since 6934 Days

Damn, things are starting to heat up

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Optimusv2

Since 6704 Days

lol fact still remains he initially said it didn't capture the passion for cars that forza is known for, but then he changed his words in that behind the scenes and ign clearly spoke to the guy so I don't think they'd misquote him like that.

There is no need for a positive spin although you seem to be desperately searching for one. You are a hypocrit because you were accusing IGN of "inaccurate paraphrasing and complete fabrications" and then turned around and did the same thing with words I said in regards to HDR and reflection mapping in the actual game engine.

What part of anything I said = me trying to prove how much I like the 360??? I clearly pointed out the trailer isn't as untouchable as you were making it out to be. You've gone and completely abandoned what we were initially talking about in the first place and resorted to spouting plain old nonsense. Proving how much I like the 360? What in the world? Since when did this become about a console preference? Its about a specific game of interest.. as I said before you are doing the same thing you did in regards to my comment about HDR and reflection mapping again pretty hypocritical of you my friend.

Its blatantly obvious by your last sentence where this whole thing is headed and you'll eventually resort to calling me a "360 fanboy" or something else ridiculous so respond all you want just know I'll be placing you on ignore so I don't have to read any of it and the problem has been resolved before things got out of hand.

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lol fact still remains he initially said it didn't capture the passion for cars that forza is known for, but then he changed his words in that behind the scenes and ign clearly spoke to the guy so I don't think they'd misquote him like that.

There is no need for a positive spin although you seem to be desperately searching for one.  You are a hypocrit because you were accusing IGN of "inaccurate paraphrasing and complete fabrications" and then turned around and did the same thing with words I said in regards to HDR and reflection mapping in the actual game engine.

What part of anything I said = me trying to prove how much I like the 360??? I clearly pointed out the trailer isn't as untouchable as you were making it out to be.  You've gone and completely abandoned what we were initially talking about in the first place and resorted to spouting plain old nonsense.  Proving how much I like the 360?  What in the world?  Since when did this become about a console preference?  Its about a specific game of interest.. as I said before you are doing the same thing you did in regards to my comment about HDR and reflection mapping again pretty hypocritical of you my friend.

Its blatantly obvious by your last sentence where this whole thing is headed and you'll eventually resort to calling me a "360 fanboy" or something else ridiculous so respond all you want just know I'll be placing you on ignore so I don't have to read any of it and the problem has been resolved before things got out of hand.

[b] Never judge a game too harshly via screenshots or videos, because they are in no way capable of properly representing what the game truly looks like were you to see it running in front of you on a 360 [/b]

Phaethon360

Since 6658 Days

This is pathetic...do you realize we're becoming exactly what we hate? I go to the PS forums, and read their opinions on GT4, NFS, and Spy Hunter, but I never see them talking about them in a bad light. Then it hit me. They don't care about those racers as much as they do one the best racers of all time. They realize how stupid it is to even consider other racers "true sims". They have......Riiiiiiidge Racer!

Couldn't resist. I wouldn't look the trailer to give any sense of the final game, except maybe the cars that are in it. The graphics won't look better than it, thats a given. CGI knows nothing of AA, or MSAA, or FSAA, or NCAA...it just looks beautiful. And trailers such as these do nothing but let gamers know that a game exists. That's all MS made it for. Personally, I'm still in awe of PGR3, so I can't imagine a racer looking much better than it. If it looks as good as PGR3, I'll be impressed ;).

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Optimusv2

Since 6704 Days

Posted by Phaethon360

This is pathetic...do you realize we're becoming exactly what we hate? I go to the PS forums, and read their opinions on GT4, NFS, and Spy Hunter, but I never see them talking about them in a bad light. Then it hit me. They don't care about those racers as much as they do one the best racers of all time. They realize how stupid it is to even consider other racers "true sims". They have......Riiiiiiidge Racer!

Couldn't resist. But I Optimus, I wouldn't look the trailer to give any sense of the final game, except maybe the cars that are in it. The graphics won't look better than it, thats a given. CGI knows nothing of AA, or MSAA, or FSAA, or NCAA...it just looks beautiful. And trailers such as these do nothing but let gamers know that a game exists. That's all MS made it for. Personally, I'm still in awe of PGR3, so I can't imagine a racer looking much better than it.

Thats exactly how I see things phaethon which is why I said i don't care about the trailer it ultimately means nothing other than nice car models and to announce forza 2 is in development. In my opinion whenever forza 2 is shown it will be better than the trailer because, being a finished or ready for show game, it will clearly be showcasing more of what forza 2 will be all about than such a short out of engine trailer ever could.

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[quote=Phaethon360]This is pathetic...do you realize we're becoming exactly what we hate? I go to the PS forums, and read their opinions on GT4, NFS, and Spy Hunter, but I never see them talking about them in a bad light. Then it hit me. They don't care about those racers as much as they do one the best racers of all time. They realize how stupid it is to even consider other racers "true sims". They have......Riiiiiiidge Racer!

Couldn't resist. But I Optimus, I wouldn't look the trailer to give any sense of the final game, except maybe the cars that are in it. The graphics won't look better than it, thats a given. CGI knows nothing of AA, or MSAA, or FSAA, or NCAA...it just looks beautiful. And trailers such as these do nothing but let gamers know that a game exists. That's all MS made it for. Personally, I'm still in awe of PGR3, so I can't imagine a racer looking much better than it.[/quote]

Thats exactly how I see things phaethon which is why I said i don't care about the trailer it ultimately means nothing other than nice car models and to announce forza 2 is in development.  In my opinion whenever forza 2 is shown it will be better than the trailer because, being a finished or ready for show game, it will clearly be showcasing more of what forza 2 will be all about than such a short out of engine trailer ever could.

[b] Never judge a game too harshly via screenshots or videos, because they are in no way capable of properly representing what the game truly looks like were you to see it running in front of you on a 360 [/b]

Phaethon360

Since 6658 Days

After going back and reading this whole thread, I get what you're saying. The game definately won't look as good as the trailer, but we've seen similar things being done in PGR3 (reflectence, HDR, high res textures, high poly cars). It did sound as though you were saying the game would look better (especially talking about Blue Dragon, FNR3, etc) but you meant the game as a whole. Atleast from my understanding.

And I agree, we'll see things in this game that previously could only be done by pre-rendering images. We've already seen some good examples in PGR3 ;).

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Optimusv2

Since 6704 Days

Thats what I meant, but I understand how the confusion started as I did say a forza 2 guy said forza 2 would look better than the trailer, but I should've been more clear on what I meant exactly.

The trailer in a way competely ignored a couple simple areas that will be crucial to forza 2's success. Forza 2 as we know will receive no pity when it comes to game reviews if they were to overlook certain aspects the trailer didn't bother to touch on which is why I ultimately feel the game as a whole will be better than the trailer. In general while I think the trailer was a very nice way to introduce the game it in no way captures the aspects in which will make this game a true success and how could it? It wasn't using the game's engine. Ingame footage showcasing a car driving fast then encountering a bump in the road then smashing into another car causing it to smash into the wall would have more of an impact.

The Halo 3 trailer had it not been in engine footage the impact would've been GREATLY diminished. Its a big title, but I think there would've been tons of really disappointed people if what we got was anything less than a true glimpse of what the game might look like.

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Thats what I meant, but I understand how the confusion started as I did say a forza 2 guy said forza 2 would look better than the trailer, but I should've been more clear on what I meant exactly.

The trailer in a way competely ignored a couple simple areas that will be crucial to forza 2's success.  Forza 2 as we know will receive no pity when it comes to game reviews if they were to overlook certain aspects the trailer didn't bother to touch on which is why I ultimately feel the game as a whole will be better than the trailer.  In general while I think the trailer was a very nice way to introduce the game it in no way captures the aspects in which will make this game a true success and how could it?  It wasn't using the game's engine.  Ingame footage showcasing a car driving fast then encountering a bump in the road then smashing into another car causing it to smash into the wall would have more of an impact.

The Halo 3 trailer had it not been in engine footage the impact would've been GREATLY diminished.  Its a big title, but I think there would've been tons of really disappointed people if what we got was anything less than a true glimpse of what the game might look like.

[b] Never judge a game too harshly via screenshots or videos, because they are in no way capable of properly representing what the game truly looks like were you to see it running in front of you on a 360 [/b]

rjcc

Since 6829 Days

Posted by Optimusv2

Thats exactly how I see things phaethon which is why I said i don't care about the trailer it ultimately means nothing other than nice car models and to announce forza 2 is in development. In my opinion whenever forza 2 is shown it will be better than the trailer because, being a finished or ready for show game, it will clearly be showcasing more of what forza 2 will be all about than such a short out of engine trailer ever could.

so your base statement is that "the real game forza 2, will show more what the real game forza 2 will be about, than a trailer thats not the real game forza 2"?

thank you for typing 100 paragraphs to come to that stunning and illuminating conclusion. I'm sure that when you started off by telling us how the real game would look better than the trailer, that what you really meant was that the real game would look like...the real game.

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