Half Life 2 Orange Box official release date

Since 6548 Days

Yes it is certainly a bargain, as its 3 games in one, I'll be buying it I think

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Since 6409 Days

Half- Life is my favourite FPS series ever. I personally cannot wait for this. Im holding off playing through 2 and episode one again so I can play through them all on the 360. Its gonna be a crazy "fall". So many great games to play.

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Inflatable

Since 7441 Days

Valve and releasedates..

We'll see what happens..

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TheBeagle

Since 6409 Days

Yeah I know what you mean. This is more official than past estimates they gave out though. It was always summer of this year winter of that. This is an actual date so maybe just maybe it will happen. I will try not to get my hopes up though.

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szaromir

Since 6560 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

I'm so not surprised that everyone here thinks that Halo is the best FPS ever.

hmm... do you suggest that we haven't played all these so awesome and groundbreaking and whatnot PC FPSes? LOL. I think you're the one who massively overrates Half-Life series.

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TheBeagle

Since 6409 Days

Posted by szaromir

hmm... do you suggest that we haven't played all these so awesome and groundbreaking and whatnot PC FPSes? LOL. I think you're the one who massively overrates Half-Life series.

Well in my opinion the half life series is superior to halo in single player. My mind change come the time when Im playing Halo 3 but who knows. I just have a special place for half life. The second game is one of the best videogame experiences I've ever had and episode one was just as good if not better. Bring on number two !

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Acert93

Since 6775 Days

Posted by Jin187

I think its closer to 7 million :p

If that is your position, then by your own arguement you lose.

Half-Life 1 sold more than that, to the tune of 8 Million, on a non-dedicated gaming platform which is pretty universally accepted to have a smaller demographic than the console platforms... oh, and it has the most popular/played FPS multiplayer game ever. And the reviews at its release universally noted how it progressed the genre--regardless of platform--and is a milestone of game design and implimentation.

Not a knock against other games, but the Half-Life hate is... wait, an Xbox site? Nevermind.

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The fans have spoken. Concerning the graphics of the Halo 3 Beta: "There's so many little effects and things going on that make this game pretty much 2nd only to Gears at the moment."

szaromir

Since 6560 Days

Posted by Acert93

Not a knock against other games, but the Half-Life hate is... wait, an Xbox site? Nevermind.

I'm a PC gamer as much as I'm a console gamer (really, I played more games on PC this year than on consoles). I still think Half-Life is overrated.

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Inflatable

Since 7441 Days

Let me put it this way.. Half-Life is and would have been a milestone classic on any platform.. But if Halo was a PC game I'm not so sure it would have been as big as it's on the Xbox right now..

Competition in the FPS gerne on the PC was and still is much tougher, although the consoles (especially the Xbox 360) is getting stronger rapidly in it..

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Acert93

Since 6775 Days

I think you're the one who massively overrates Half-Life series.

Certain things are subjective -- e.g. your dislike for most PC FPS that are critically/commercially a success in the last couple years... you have a right to an opinion -- but some things are objective and can be parsed by facts.

And the facts? The facts are you are wrong... again. It isn't Grift overrating Half-Life. In fact, it is the absolutely consensus of the industry that Half-Life as a series is exceptional -- as much so as your beloved Halo. The difference being, of course, is that PC FPS have a lot more competition and criteria that weigh against them.

http://gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings...

Top PC Games All Time
#1 -- Half-Life 2 -- 95.6%
#3 -- Half-Life -- 94.6%

Top Xbox Games, All Time
#1 -- Halo -- 95.6%
#2 -- Halo 2 -- 94.6%

Top Games All Platforms All Time
#8 Half-Life 2
#9 Halo
#20 Halo 2
#21 Half-Life

And here is the kicker: The Half-Life score doesn't include: CounterStrike, Day of Defeat, Team Fortress Classic, Natural Selection, and so on. Likewise Half-Life 2 shipped its multiplayer mode post-reviews.

You can disagree all you want, but the fact is the review houses that gave Halo 2 an aggregate score of 94.6% gave Half-Life 2 a 95.6%. So the majority of the industry critical reviewers give a slight nod to Half-Life 2.

So if the industry overrates Half-Life 2, what can be said of Halo 2 which they rated as being slightly less spectacular (yet still stellar/amazing)? One can argue which is a better title or franchise, but the objective facts agree: Half-Life is an amazing title, even if you don't personally like it.

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[quote]I think you're the one who massively overrates Half-Life series.[/quote]

Certain things are subjective -- e.g. your dislike for most PC FPS that are critically/commercially a success in the last couple years... you have a right to an opinion -- but some things are objective and can be parsed by facts.

And the facts? The facts are you are wrong... again. It isn't Grift overrating Half-Life. In fact, it is the [b]absolutely consensus of the industry[/b] that Half-Life as a series is exceptional -- as much so as your beloved Halo. The difference being, of course, is that PC FPS have a lot more competition and criteria that weigh against them.

http://gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings.asp

Top PC Games All Time
#1 -- Half-Life 2 -- 95.6%
#3 -- Half-Life -- 94.6%

Top Xbox Games, All Time
#1 -- Halo -- 95.6%
#2 -- Halo 2 -- 94.6%

Top Games All Platforms All Time
#8 Half-Life 2
#9 Halo
#20 Halo 2
#21 Half-Life

And here is the kicker: The Half-Life score doesn't include: CounterStrike, Day of Defeat, Team Fortress Classic, Natural Selection, and so on. Likewise Half-Life 2 shipped its multiplayer mode post-reviews.

You can disagree all you want, but the fact is the review houses that gave Halo 2 an aggregate score of 94.6% gave Half-Life 2 a 95.6%. So the majority of the industry critical reviewers give a slight nod to Half-Life 2.

So if the industry overrates Half-Life 2, what can be said of Halo 2 which they rated as being slightly less spectacular (yet still stellar/amazing)? One can argue which is a better title or franchise, but the objective facts agree: Half-Life is an amazing title, even if you don't personally like it.

The fans have spoken. Concerning the graphics of the Halo 3 Beta: "There's so many little effects and things going on that make this game pretty much 2nd only to Gears at the moment."

INDIGO

Since 7506 Days

That's like 2 weeks after Halo 3. Uh... I think they should consider a slight delay. Remember what happened to Call of Duty 3 and Rainbow Six Vegas, and they were 2 or 3 weeks after Gears....

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Acert93

Since 6775 Days

While I agree the Halo/GTA storm is gonna be unmanagable for sheer market reasons alone, I must say TF2 looks to be brilliant and as of the Halo 3 beta I must say I am more interested in TF2 than Halo 3 online. TF2 may flop so my opinion could change, but I already know what Halo 3 MP is (and isn't) and knowing how much I loved TFC and its class based/team focused gameplay and how they have really evolved the concept I must say I am excited about the title.

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Phaethon360

Since 6649 Days

Man, I want this, but I know there's no way I'll have time to play this this year. Spring Break purchase confirmed.

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szaromir

Since 6560 Days

Posted by Acert93

e.g. your dislike for most PC FPS that are critically/commercially a success in the last couple years...

What? What does PC have to do with me not so impressed by Half-Life? To put things into perspective - HL2 is a 7+/10 game for me, PDZ is 4/10, Black is 2/10. I'm as harsh for

you have a right to an opinion -- but some things are objective and can be parsed by facts.

Unless you can physically measure something, it's not a fact. Even if you do, it still doesn't have to be true. Do you expect me to pass a group of personal opinions as a fact? The fact is that Half-Life got a group reviews which averaged ~94,6%, but whether you use it as a stick to measure game's quality is another issue. I don't care about gamerankings, as gamerankings doesn't care about my favourite games - mostly because reviewers didn't bother to learn rules of certain games, couldn't look past not-the-greatest graphics and many other reasons.

And the facts? The facts are you are wrong... again.

Keep personal insults to yourself.

In fact, it is the absolutely consensus of the industry that Half-Life as a series is exceptional -- as much so as your beloved Halo. The difference being, of course, is that PC FPS have a lot more competition and criteria that weigh against them.

The difference is, I played most of these best-rated games from this so called "harsh PC competition". And I liked some of them more than HL series.

And here is the kicker: The Half-Life score doesn't include: CounterStrike, Day of Defeat, Team Fortress Classic, Natural Selection, and so on. Likewise Half-Life 2 shipped its multiplayer mode post-reviews.

That's unquestionable plus. Still, Grift labeled HL as the best SINGLE PLAYER FPS and I reffered to that (although Enemy Territory is way better than all these mods you listed IMO :) - I didn't play Natural Selection mind you)

You can disagree all you want, but the fact is the review houses that gave Halo 2 an aggregate score of 94.6% gave Half-Life 2 a 95.6%. So the majority of the industry critical reviewers give a slight nod to Half-Life 2.

Yup, 1% more on gamerankings is ultimate proof of game's superiority.

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[quote=Acert93]e.g. your dislike for most PC FPS that are critically/commercially a success in the last couple years...[/quote]
What? What does PC have to do with me not so impressed by Half-Life? To put things into perspective - HL2 is a 7+/10 game for me, PDZ is 4/10, Black is 2/10. I'm as harsh for
[quote]you have a right to an opinion -- but some things are objective and can be parsed by facts.[/quote]
Unless you can physically measure something, it's not a fact. Even if you do, it still doesn't have to be true. Do you expect me to pass a group of personal opinions as [i]a fact[/i]? The fact is that Half-Life got a group reviews which averaged ~94,6%, but whether you use it as a stick to measure game's quality is another issue. I don't care about gamerankings, as gamerankings doesn't care about my favourite games - mostly because reviewers didn't bother to learn rules of certain games, couldn't look past not-the-greatest graphics and many other reasons.
[quote]And the facts? The facts are you are wrong... again.[/quote]
Keep personal insults to yourself.
[quote]In fact, it is the [b]absolutely consensus of the industry[/b] that Half-Life as a series is exceptional -- as much so as your beloved Halo. The difference being, of course, is that PC FPS have a lot more competition and criteria that weigh against them.[/quote]
The difference is, I played most of these best-rated games from this so called "harsh PC competition". [spoiler]And I liked some of them more than HL series.[/spoiler]

[quote]And here is the kicker: The Half-Life score doesn't include: CounterStrike, Day of Defeat, Team Fortress Classic, Natural Selection, and so on. Likewise Half-Life 2 shipped its multiplayer mode post-reviews.[/quote]
That's unquestionable plus. Still, Grift labeled HL as the best SINGLE PLAYER FPS and I reffered to that (although Enemy Territory is way better than all these mods you listed IMO :) - I didn't play Natural Selection mind you) 
[quote]You can disagree all you want, but the fact is the review houses that gave Halo 2 an aggregate score of 94.6% gave Half-Life 2 a 95.6%. So the majority of the industry critical reviewers give a slight nod to Half-Life 2.[/quote]
Yup, 1% more on gamerankings is ultimate proof of game's superiority.

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PlumbDrumb

Since 6797 Days

ugh, have fun arguing guys.

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KORNdog

Since 6208 Days

half life 2 is my prefared FPS in terms of single player. nothing touches it imo. i've completed half life 2 twice on xbox, once on PC and you know what? im gonna play it again on 360. and what more incentive do i need then team fortress 2, episode 1/2 and portal. in terms of sheer amount of gameplay, nothing touches half life 2

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GriftGFX

Since 6804 Days

Posted by szaromir

I'm a PC gamer as much as I'm a console gamer (really, I played more games on PC this year than on consoles). I still think Half-Life is overrated.

You're a PC gamer.. and Halo is your favorite FPS ever? What platform are you going to play Bioshock on, COD4, etc? That all seems a little suspect :P

hmm... do you suggest that we haven't played all these so awesome and groundbreaking and whatnot PC FPSes? LOL. I think you're the one who massively overrates Half-Life series.

If you've played the entire PC catalog of FPS games.. and you still think Halo is terribly ground breaking.. well then nothing is going to convince you otherwise. And hell, no one is really trying that hard to do so either.

ugh, have fun arguing guys.

Ya seriously. What's the point in arguing. Half Life live is better than Halo -- duh! Even gamerankings says so! ;)

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roxwell

Since 6752 Days

Is it better than Goldeneye Grift? ;)

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GriftGFX

Since 6804 Days

What's not better than Goldeneye?

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szaromir

Since 6560 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

You're a PC gamer.. and Halo is your favorite FPS ever? What platform are you going to play Bioshock on, COD4, etc? That all seems a little suspect :P

Bioshock - on 360. COD4 - probably won't it play at all. As a PC gamer my favourite games are adventure games and strategies and tactics games (Incubation, Jagged Alliance, Silent Storm, this kind of stuff).

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If you've played the entire PC catalog of FPS games.. and you still think Halo is terribly ground breaking.. well then nothing is going to convince you otherwise. And hell, no one is really trying that hard to do so either.

I don't think Halo is groundbreaking (especially that I played it kind of late for the first time) - I think it's great game. But neither HL was groundbreaking - it did bring new elements to FPSes in terms of narration, but rather than that I don't remember it being exceptionally innovative.

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roxwell

Since 6752 Days

don't think Halo is groundbreaking (especially that I played it kind of late for the first time) - I think it's great game. But neither HL was groundbreaking - it did bring new elements to FPSes in terms of narration, but rather than that I don't remember it being exceptionally innovative.

The man has a point.

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GriftGFX

Since 6804 Days

Eh, I don't know.. I sorta think narrative is a big deal in a single player game. It's what made Halo so much better than Marathon. And likewise, both Half Life games are great games.. meaning that in addition to being well designed, they both play extremely well too.

HL2 was ground breaking too, in the form of physics and puzzles. If that's not your bag, and you just want to shoot stuff.. then I can see how you might not like it. But shooting stuff is very satisfying in HL2. Hell, if HL2 didn't have great weapons and great gun play, HL2DM wouldn't be as much fun as it is.

Killing your buddy with a radiator or a toilet is good fun.. the crossbow is good fun.. the magnum.. oh the magnum. I love Half Life 2.

We're also sorta ignoring Portal and Team Fortress 2. The latter won't be groundbreaking (outside of its visual style) but it will be a great deal of fun.. and I'm not sure you really get more groundbreaking than Portal.

Prey what?

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szaromir

Since 6560 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

HL2 was ground breaking too, in the form of physics and puzzles. If that's not your bag, and you just want to shoot stuff.. then I can see how you might not like it.

It's not that I don't like puzzles - they just weren't that good in HL2 (but maybe they were better in Ep. 1?). In terms of "you just want to shoot stuff", I wouldn't say that's it - I love NOLF games and they are not only about shooting.

Anyway, the discussion is rather pointless, because everyone has different taste. I started it with "you're kidding", because you always laugh at me when I say Halo is the best FPS. ;] I didn't know it would trigger that serious discussion, and I didn't know you (Grift & Acert) love compare Half-Life to Halo that much... I tried to avoid this comparison, but you bring it in basically every post. :P

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KORNdog

Since 6208 Days

at the end of the day, halo is a REALLY GOOD (not my personal opinion) console FPS, but rating it in comparison to the FPS genre as a whole and it falls painfully short, half life 2 however...

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alimokrane

Since 6734 Days

Why is it that everytime a PC FPS is brought up we have to bring halo into the discussion and have the argument of PC FPS vs 360 FPS ?

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