Naruto Manga Chapter 430 released (In first post)

Since 6546 Days

I've got a question. The sharingan uses eye contact when doing genjutsu. Gai states that if you don't look into the sharingan users eyes then you don't have to worry about the genjustu and the sharingan user looses that advantage. I suspect that if you were blind then you wouldn't have to worry either since you have no sight. What if you were a byakugan user that went Zatoichi on them, ie closed your eyes? You would still have the insight of the byakugan but without actually having to look into the sharingan users eyes. I take the "sight" that byakugan users have as being more akin to sonar then eyesight since you don't actually have to be looking at the object.

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Yea Hinata is definitely one of my favorites as well. I gained a ton of respect for her after her fight with Neji and plus she has always been one of Naruto's bigger supporters and admirers so she has extra cool points in my book for that.

Technically that technique she made was a filler technique so chances are we wont see it from her in the manga anymore or we may see something far different from her in the future.

I wouldn't be surprised if she has improved rather drastically.

We'll also most definitely see the Rasenshuriken technique again the moment they say it can never be used again I know someway somehow he's going to end up using it. Perhaps when he masters the technique it will no longer cause such harm for him.

What I wanna see from Naruto now is more advanced and knowledgeable use of his current techniques and its time he started staying a lot more calm when he fights so he can think straight like he did against Kakuzu.

Then again he appears to be quite the berserk fighter when he gets pissed off. See how Naruto used the 9 tails chakra against Neji in their chuunin exam fight?

I think its something very similar to that, except with a lot more of the nine-tail's power, that Jiraiya wants out of Naruto. I honestly can't wait for Naruto to get his hands on the key to unlocking the Nine-Tail's chakra inside of him. There will be so many vast improvements; his speed, power, impressiveness of his techniques. Hell a Naruto fully flowing with all the power of the 9 tails could potentially make 20 or more versions of himself that could more than stand on their own against an Akatsuki member.

Hell he could even use an extremely powerful shadow clone or a group of them to go in first and test out an enemies abilities and gain experience from the encounter and learn from it. Also there are so many potential variations Naruto could come up with soley based on his new knowledge of nature manipulation and the combination of the 2 types of manipulation. There is no doubt in my mind Jiraiya likely taught Naruto some frog jutsus I mean keep in mind naruto can already do the boss summon so it makes sense for him to know a lot of other techniques.

The third used a version of the shadow clone jutsu where his clones stuck around I can see such a thing being very valuable for Naruto in the future.

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Yea Hinata is definitely one of my favorites as well.  I gained a ton of respect for her after her fight with Neji and plus she has always been one of Naruto's bigger supporters and admirers so she has extra cool points in my book for that.

Technically that technique she made was a filler technique so chances are we wont see it from her in the manga anymore or we may see something far different from her in the future.

I wouldn't be surprised if she has improved rather drastically.

We'll also most definitely see the Rasenshuriken technique again the moment they say it can never be used again I know someway somehow he's going to end up using it.  Perhaps when he masters the technique it will no longer cause such harm for him.

What I wanna see from Naruto now is more advanced and knowledgeable use of his current techniques and its time he started staying a lot more calm when he fights so he can think straight like he did against Kakuzu.

Then again he appears to be quite the berserk fighter when he gets pissed off.  See how Naruto used the 9 tails chakra against Neji in their chuunin exam fight?

I think [spoiler] its something very similar to that, except with a lot more of the nine-tail's power, that Jiraiya wants out of Naruto.  I honestly can't wait for Naruto to get his hands on the key to unlocking the Nine-Tail's chakra inside of him.  There will be so many vast improvements; his speed, power, impressiveness of his techniques.  Hell a Naruto fully flowing with all the power of the 9 tails could potentially make 20 or more versions of himself that could more than stand on their own against an Akatsuki member.[/spoiler]

Hell he could even use an extremely powerful shadow clone or a group of them to go in first and test out an enemies abilities and gain experience from the encounter and learn from it.  Also there are so many potential variations Naruto could come up with soley based on his new knowledge of nature manipulation and the combination of the 2 types of manipulation.  There is no doubt in my mind Jiraiya likely taught Naruto some frog jutsus I mean keep in mind naruto can already do the boss summon so it makes sense for him to know a lot of other techniques.

The third used a version of the shadow clone jutsu where his clones stuck around I can see such a thing being very valuable for Naruto in the future.

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Since 7133 Days

Yea thats quite interesting ManicMonkey, I wonder how this new eye jutsu will work and why its the most powerful of them all.

It does seem a bit odd that it's never been talked about before.

I think it would have been a lot better if they had left it as new/undiscovered eye technique.

And it's also odd that Jiraiya knew about this boy yet didn't do anything to stop him becoming a threat to the leaf.

And yea i forgot about that being a filler Optimus, what a bummer.

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Posted by ManicMonkey

Gai states that if you don't look into the sharingan users eyes then you don't have to worry about the genjustu and the sharingan user looses that advantage.

Not when you fight Itachi or Kakashi (and likely Sasuke), as they can use their eyes in different ways. :P

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What I wanna see from Naruto now is more advanced and knowledgeable use of his current techniques and its time he started staying a lot more calm when he fights so he can think straight like he did against Kakuzu.

Yeah, he had some clever strategies when he faced enemies stronger than him in past, now that he analyzes enemies and their styles/jutsus he might be much better than we think he is. I wonder if Sasuke will meet naruto or Itachi first.

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Techniquely if Naruto fully "merged" with the 9-tails he would be the strongest ninja ever since he would have limitless chakra. He could create an army of Kage level shadow clones without noticing any drop in his own chakra level.

And I was refering to the sharingan's genjutsu. Not any of its other abilities.

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Posted by Jollipop

Yea thats quite interesting ManicMonkey, I wonder how this new eye jutsu will work and why its the most powerful of them all.

I think it may be the most powerful because it may allow the user to possess the bodies of sharingan and byakugan users. Essentially granting that one person the best of all 3 worlds. That's just my guess though.

Posted by ManicMonkey

Techniquely if Naruto fully "merged" with the 9-tails he would be the strongest ninja ever since he would have limitless chakra. He could create an army of Kage level shadow clones without noticing any drop in his own chakra level.

But he wouldnt really be Naruto anymore, his consciousness would be completely consumed by the 9 tails. He already loses control of himself when he has 4 tails, am i right?

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Well mkk reason for providing naruto with the key to unlock the seal to the full nine-tails chakra inside of naruto is that jiraiya believes he'll be able to handle it and there is some hidden meaning for why the 4th went to the trouble of splitting the nine-tails chakra up inside naruto between the good and the evil part of the chakra.

Well jolli in regards to the boy Jiraiya thought he had done what he could to ensure he grew properly, but something more sinister took place afterwards surely and I think it involves Madara.

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2 spoiler pics from latest chapter!

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3307/374qc5.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3747/374mq2.jpg

If these pictures are fake they are a pretty good fake. It appears to show all of pain's bodies including the original

and now here comes the spoiler for this weeks upcoming chapter. You just may get your wish Jolli :)

表紙無し
No cover

自来也『外の人間か……確かにの』
Jiraiya: An outsider?.... Certainly..

ペイン『小南を放してもらえませんか？』
Pain: Won't you release Konan for me?

自来也『放すわけにはいかんのォ
Jiraiya: I can't do that sort of thing now

こっちはまだ知りたい事が山ほどあるからの』
We still want to know about what happens here

ペイン『……知ってどうするんです？先生は今から死ぬんですよ……』
Pain: ... so you know now what? Sensei, you will die from now...

自来也を見下ろすペイン
Jiraiya looks at Pain with contempt

自来也『……長門……弥彦はどうした？』
Jiraiya: ... Nagato... What happened to Yahiko

小南『……先生にはもう関係ないことよ…』
Konan: ... Sensei that's irrelevant for you...

自来也『……弥彦はお前が守るんじゃなかったのかのォ？なぁ長門』
Jiraiya: Didn't Yahiko protect you? What about you Nagato

ペインの目のアップ
Pain's eyes rise

自来也『………』
JIraiya: ...

ペイン『……やはり先生には死んでもらうしかないようですね』
Pain: After all, it's only good if you die Sensei, isn't it

自来也『フン』
Jiraiya: Heh

ペイン『小南……お前は下がって体を休めておけ…』
Pain: Konan.. aren't you going to come down and rest...

小南『………』
Konan: ...

飛び降りるペイン
Pain jumps off (i'm assuming the ledge he was on, in the last panel of last chapt)

地面にペインが降りるとまるで重い物が落ちたかのように地面にヒビができる
As Pain lands on the ground, a heavy weight follows him which seems to crack the floor

ペイン『この人は俺が殺す』
Pain: I will kill this person.

自来也を睨みつけるペイン
Jiraiya glares at Pain

Second half -

場面変わりナルト達
Scene changes to Naruto

キバ『こりゃ思ってたより早くサスケに追いつけそうだな』
KIba: Ah damn it, just like i had thought, we might be able to quickly overtake Sasuke

シノ『しかしこの方向……サスケは木ノ葉に向かってるのか？』
Shin: But this direction.. isn't he facing heading to Konoha?

カカシ『方向的には木ノ葉で間違いないだろうが……向こうには感知タイプの忍がいるはずなんだが……』
Kakashi: This direction is to Konoha you're probably right but... on the otherhand it seems they may have a perception type shinobi with them

ヤマト『どういうことです？』
Yamato: So what does this mean?

カカシ『感知タイプがいるならナルトの影分身を避けて行く事も出来たはずだろ？』
Kakashi: If it's the case they do have a chakra sensing type shinobi, then they can keep avoiding naruto's kagebunshin right?

サクラ『わざと影分身と接触したってこと？』
Sakura: Why don't we purposely offshoot them with a kagebunshin and meet them?

カカシ『だとしたらコレは罠かもしれな……』
Kakashi: But it might be a trap...

ナルト『そんな事関係ねェってばよ！この先にサスケがいるのは間違いねぇんだからよ！！』
Naruto: That sort of thing doesn't matter ! There's no mistaking it this time, we'll get Sasuke !!

カカシ『………』
Kakashi: ...

ヒナタ『！！』
Hinata: !!!

『止まって！！』
Someone says: Stop!!

木の上で止まる一行
A line of wood stops them

ナルト『何だってばよヒナタ！！俺達は今急いでるんだってばよ！』
Naruto: What the hell, Yamato!! We have to hurry !!

ヒナタ『あそこに…！！』
Hinata: There..!!!

ヒナタが指をさす所からゼツが出てくる
Zetsu comes out of the place where Hinata points to

Zetsu says: 1. there's still a whole lot that I would like to know

2.Zetsu: "the power of the Byakugan"
" What do you think it tastes like?"
" Won't know until we've eaten it..."

身構えるナルト達
Naruto takes a fighting stance

カカシ『チィ…暁か……』
Kakashi: Eh... Akatsuki?...

場面変わり自来也
Scene changes to Jiraiya

自来也『！！』
Jiraiya: !!

自来也に向かってペインが走ってくる
Pain faces JIraiya and begins to run towards him

自来也『(速い！！)』
Jiraiya: Fast!!

ペインの回し蹴りを後ろに飛んで避ける自来也
Pain does a turning kick to Jiraiya but he dodges it

小南『！！』
Konan: !!

小南に巻き付いていた髪がとれる
The hair that was around Konan comes off

ペイン『下がっていろ』
Pain: Come down already

印を結ぶペイン
Pain does a seal

ペイン『すぐに終わらせる』
Pain: It is already over

ペインの足下を中心にヒビが入っていく描写
Pain focuses the centre of his foot on where the crack is

自来也『……』
Jiraiya: ...

ペインを睨む自来也
Pain glares at Jiraiya

終わり
Finish!

It is also said in the chapter that yahiko died long ago and it appears to have 5 pages of talking and the rest appear to be fighting pages.

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2 spoiler pics from latest chapter!

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3307/374qc5.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3747/374mq2.jpg

If these pictures are fake they are a pretty good fake.  It appears to show all [spoiler] of pain's bodies including the original [/spoiler]

and now here comes the spoiler for this weeks upcoming chapter.  You just may get your wish Jolli :)

[spoiler]表紙無し
No cover

自来也『外の人間か……確かにの』
Jiraiya: An outsider?.... Certainly..

ペイン『小南を放してもらえませんか？』
Pain: Won't you release Konan for me?

自来也『放すわけにはいかんのォ
Jiraiya: I can't do that sort of thing now

こっちはまだ知りたい事が山ほどあるからの』
We still want to know about what happens here

ペイン『……知ってどうするんです？先生は今から死ぬんですよ……』
Pain: ... so you know now what? Sensei, you will die from now...

自来也を見下ろすペイン
Jiraiya looks at Pain with contempt

自来也『……長門……弥彦はどうした？』
Jiraiya: ... Nagato... What happened to Yahiko

小南『……先生にはもう関係ないことよ…』
Konan: ... Sensei that's irrelevant for you...

自来也『……弥彦はお前が守るんじゃなかったのかのォ？なぁ長門』
Jiraiya: Didn't Yahiko protect you? What about you Nagato

ペインの目のアップ
Pain's eyes rise

自来也『………』
JIraiya: ...

ペイン『……やはり先生には死んでもらうしかないようですね』
Pain: After all, it's only good if you die Sensei, isn't it

自来也『フン』
Jiraiya: Heh

ペイン『小南……お前は下がって体を休めておけ…』
Pain: Konan.. aren't you going to come down and rest...

小南『………』
Konan: ...

飛び降りるペイン
Pain jumps off (i'm assuming the ledge he was on, in the last panel of last chapt)

地面にペインが降りるとまるで重い物が落ちたかのように地面にヒビができる
As Pain lands on the ground, a heavy weight follows him which seems to crack the floor

ペイン『この人は俺が殺す』
Pain: I will kill this person.

自来也を睨みつけるペイン
Jiraiya glares at Pain

Second half -

場面変わりナルト達
Scene changes to Naruto

キバ『こりゃ思ってたより早くサスケに追いつけそうだな』
KIba: Ah damn it, just like i had thought, we might be able to quickly overtake Sasuke

シノ『しかしこの方向……サスケは木ノ葉に向かってるのか？』
Shin: But this direction.. isn't he facing heading to Konoha?

カカシ『方向的には木ノ葉で間違いないだろうが……向こうには感知タイプの忍がいるはずなんだ が……』
Kakashi: This direction is to Konoha you're probably right but... on the otherhand it seems they may have a perception type shinobi with them

ヤマト『どういうことです？』
Yamato: So what does this mean?

カカシ『感知タイプがいるならナルトの影分身を避けて行く事も出来たはずだろ？』
Kakashi: If it's the case they do have a chakra sensing type shinobi, then they can keep avoiding naruto's kagebunshin right?

サクラ『わざと影分身と接触したってこと？』
Sakura: Why don't we purposely offshoot them with a kagebunshin and meet them?

カカシ『だとしたらコレは罠かもしれな……』
Kakashi: But it might be a trap...

ナルト『そんな事関係ねェってばよ！この先にサスケがいるのは間違いねぇんだからよ！！』
Naruto: That sort of thing doesn't matter ! There's no mistaking it this time, we'll get Sasuke !!

カカシ『………』
Kakashi: ...

ヒナタ『！！』
Hinata: !!!

『止まって！！』
Someone says: Stop!!

木の上で止まる一行
A line of wood stops them

ナルト『何だってばよヒナタ！！俺達は今急いでるんだってばよ！』
Naruto: What the hell, Yamato!! We have to hurry !!

ヒナタ『あそこに…！！』
Hinata: There..!!!

ヒナタが指をさす所からゼツが出てくる
Zetsu comes out of the place where Hinata points to

Zetsu says: 1. there's still a whole lot that I would like to know

2.Zetsu: "the power of the Byakugan"
" What do you think it tastes like?"
" Won't know until we've eaten it..."

身構えるナルト達
Naruto takes a fighting stance

カカシ『チィ…暁か……』
Kakashi: Eh... Akatsuki?...

場面変わり自来也
Scene changes to Jiraiya

自来也『！！』
Jiraiya: !!

自来也に向かってペインが走ってくる
Pain faces JIraiya and begins to run towards him

自来也『(速い！！)』
Jiraiya: Fast!!

ペインの回し蹴りを後ろに飛んで避ける自来也
Pain does a turning kick to Jiraiya but he dodges it

小南『！！』
Konan: !!

小南に巻き付いていた髪がとれる
The hair that was around Konan comes off

ペイン『下がっていろ』
Pain: Come down already

印を結ぶペイン
Pain does a seal

ペイン『すぐに終わらせる』
Pain: It is already over

ペインの足下を中心にヒビが入っていく描写
Pain focuses the centre of his foot on where the crack is

自来也『……』
Jiraiya: ...

ペインを睨む自来也
Pain glares at Jiraiya

終わり
Finish![/spoiler]

It is also said in the chapter that [spoiler] yahiko died long ago [/spoiler] and it appears to have 5 pages of talking and the rest appear to be fighting pages.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.

pssh! more like electronic gay-ming monthly! amirite

Since 7142 Days

Here is more

ペインとエロちょっと攻防
Pein and Jiraiya exchange attacks for a little while
その後ペインとエロが会話。エロがペインの目的を聞く
Then they go into conversation, Jiraiya asks what Pein's motives/goals are

ペイン「弥彦・・・ああ、いたなそんなヤツも。とっくに死んだよそんな奴」
Pein: Yahiko... come to think of it, yeah there was a guy like that. He's long been dead
エロ「一体何があった？昔のお前は・・・・」
Jiraiya: what happened? In the past you were...
ペイン「何も・・・ただ戦いたいだけだ。ここでは人が死にすぎる。それらの痛みがオレを成長させた
　　　　先生・・・アナタはまだ人でしかない。だがオレは無限に続く痛みの中で人からさらに成長したのだ」
Pein: Nothing... Just battles. Here, people die all too frequently. Those pains helped me grow and mature. Sensei... you are still only human. But amidst the perpetually continuing pain, I have grown past being human

エロ「・・・・　何　だ　と　？」
Jiraiya: what?

ペイン「そう・・・人から・・・神へとな」
Pein: that's right... from human... to god

あと、ペインの目的は尾獣集めて禁術を作って各地に提供して戦争を起こす事明かします（会話さらに5ページ）
Pein discloses that he plans to collect the Bijyuu (tailed demons), make a Kinjutsu (Forbidden technique) and contribute it to various lands, thus creating wars. (5 more pages of conversation)

再び戦闘開始。エロ、ケンさん召還
Battle begins again. Jiraiya summons "Ken-san"
** don't know what Ken-san is...

So his intention is to create wars all over because he in some way appears to thrive and improve from the pain and suffering people go through thus making himself more powerful?

I have my doubts as to whether this guy truly takes orders from anyone. I believe both he and Madara are possibly after the very same thing and will come at odds later on maybe. I figure Madara wants the kyuubi for himself

Also I think I understand what he means by creating a forbidden jutsu to create wars is that you know how the 4th sealed the dark or evil part of the kyuubi's chakra inside naruto while allowing him to make use of the good part? I suspect Pein will create some sort of technique utilizing the darker side of the bijuu's ultimate chakra and use it to make mankind more evil by nature and he will stand over it all whiping them all out all the while getting stronger because of the pain and suffering.

Now call me crazy, but I believe Pain's bloodline limit allows him to create techniques on the fly even while in the middle of a battle. I assume he could create a fitting and brand new technique right then and there. You know how a sharingan can put someone into a gengetsu well what if the Rinnegan can instantly make possible whatever Pain dreams up be it some new outrageous technique on the fly or whatever? What a typical gengetsu user would come up with would actually be reality in the hands of Pein. Keep in mind the person responsible for the creation of all modern ninjutsu had the very same bloodline Pain has. It is as result of this Sage that ninjutsu exists. So I suspect that could be one of Pain's capabilities.

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[spoiler] ペインとエロちょっと攻防
Pein and Jiraiya exchange attacks for a little while
その後ペインとエロが会話。エロがペインの目的を聞く
Then they go into conversation, Jiraiya asks what Pein's motives/goals are

ペイン「弥彦・・・ああ、いたなそんなヤツも。とっくに死んだよそんな奴」
Pein: Yahiko... come to think of it, yeah there was a guy like that. He's long been dead
エロ「一体何があった？昔のお前は・・・・」
Jiraiya: what happened? In the past you were...
ペイン「何も・・・ただ戦いたいだけだ。ここでは人が死にすぎる。それらの痛みがオレを成長さ せた
　　　　先生・・・アナタはまだ人でしかない。だがオレは無限に続く痛みの中で人からさらに成 長したのだ」
Pein: Nothing... Just battles. Here, people die all too frequently. Those pains helped me grow and mature. Sensei... you are still only human. But amidst the perpetually continuing pain, I have grown past being human

エロ「・・・・　何　だ　と　？」
Jiraiya: what?

ペイン「そう・・・人から・・・神へとな」
Pein: that's right... from human... to god

あと、ペインの目的は尾獣集めて禁術を作って各地に提供して戦争を起こす事明かします（会話さらに5ページ ）
Pein discloses that he plans to collect the Bijyuu (tailed demons), make a Kinjutsu (Forbidden technique) and contribute it to various lands, thus creating wars. (5 more pages of conversation)

再び戦闘開始。エロ、ケンさん召還
Battle begins again. Jiraiya summons "Ken-san"
** don't know what Ken-san is...[/spoiler]

So his intention is to [spoiler] create wars all over because he in some way appears to thrive and improve from the pain and suffering people go through thus making himself more powerful?  [/spoiler]

I have my doubts as to whether this guy truly takes orders from anyone.  I believe both he and [spoiler] Madara are possibly after the very same thing and will come at odds later on maybe.  I figure Madara wants the kyuubi for himself [/spoiler]

Also I think I understand what he means by [spoiler] creating a forbidden jutsu to create wars is that you know how the 4th sealed the dark or evil part of the kyuubi's chakra inside naruto while allowing him to make use of the good part?  I suspect Pein will create some sort of technique utilizing the darker side of the bijuu's ultimate chakra and use it to make mankind more evil by nature and he will stand over it all whiping them all out all the while getting stronger because of the pain and suffering. [/spoiler]

Now call me crazy, but I believe Pain's [spoiler]bloodline limit allows him to create techniques on the fly even while in the middle of a battle.  I assume he could create a fitting and brand new technique right then and there.  You know how a sharingan can put someone into a gengetsu well what if the Rinnegan can instantly make possible whatever Pain dreams up be it some new outrageous technique on the fly or whatever?  What a typical gengetsu user would come up with would actually be reality in the hands of Pein.  Keep in mind the person responsible for the creation of all modern ninjutsu had the very same bloodline Pain has.  It is as result of this Sage that ninjutsu exists.  So I suspect that could be one of Pain's capabilities.[/spoiler]

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That is an interesting theory Op. It makes sense but that would be a bit much for just an eye technique though. If he is able to make any jutsu he wants on the fly then that means that he can use all 5 types of chakra which we've only been told a bijyuu can do. The 4-tails I believe. Not to mention the incredible amount of chakra, chakra manipulation, and control it takes to make new jutsu. What if it's just a super realistic genjutsu. Even mroe so then the Kurama clan genjutsu.

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I can't see it being that powerful, if it were Jiraiya may very well die in this battle.

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I hope the possibility of Jiraiya dying does happen. We need another kick ass fight in Naruto. It's either we get this fight or the Itachi/Sasuke fight. I would much rather see Jiraiya go full power and fight for his life. See Jiraiya use toads in many un-natural and possibly illegal ways.

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From what I'm seeing thus far I'm starting to get the feeling that Jiraiya wont die in this fight.

No doubt in my mind Jiraiya's going to be impressive. Can't wait for this chapter to be released.

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Hmm first spoiler I posted might not be legit.

This could be the real version. This one sounds pretty real :o I want this one to be real cause it would mean Jiraiya would be fighting against 6 PEOPLE! :D

These are the real spoilers judging from those pics. Translation in prog.
374話自来也VSペイン！！
Chapter 37４: Jiraiya vs. Pain!

扉絵は無い。
No cover

煽り師（自来也）と教え子（ペイン）、ついに対峙…！
Jiraiya and Pain square off!

睨み合う二人
They're staring at each other

自来也「フン…」
Jiraiya: Hmph...
ペイン「…」

自来也「お前達がそうなった理由がどうであれ、お前達二人は今ここで始末する
。」
Jiraiya:　I suppose it doesn't matter why you became what you did...I'm here to kill you both, and nothing more.

ペイン「アナタももう老いた。あまり無理をしない方が良い。」
Pain: You've gotten so old...you shouldn't push yourself.

自来也「こちとら最初から死ぬ覚悟で来とる。今更老いたも何も無いのぉ。」
Jiraiya: I've accepted the fact that I could die completing this mission. It doesn't matter how old I am.

ペイン「フッ…、死ぬ覚悟か。それは面白い。本気のアナタが見れそうだ。」
Pain: Prepared for death...Interesting. I guess we'll finally see you fight at full strength.

そう言ったと思うとそこにペインの姿は無くすでに自来也の背後に。
The moment he finished speaking, he appears behind Jiraiya.

自来也（何！？）
Jiraiya: Wha-

自来也、ペインに向き直って後ろに退く。
その自来也の髪が切れて捕まっていた小南がそれを振りほどく。
Jiraya leaps back while turning to face Pain.
His hair is cut and Konan is freed.

自来也（なんて奴だ…。今の一瞬でワシの髪を…。スピードは昔とは桁外れだな）
Jiraiya: This kid is something else...he cut my hair in the blink of an eye...he's so much faster than he used to be.

ペイン「小南、ここは俺一人で十分だ。お前は残る五尾を狩りに行け。九尾は先生を始末した後俺が狩りに行く」
Pain: Konan, I can handle this by myself. You're to go hunt the Five-Tails - it and the Nine-Tails are the only beasts we lack, and I'll get the Nine-Tails myself after I kill Jiraiya-sense.

小南「わかった」
Konan: As you wish.

その爆から立ち去ろうとする小南。
Konan tries to leave.

自来也（逃がさん…！）
Jiraiya: You're not going anywhere!

自来也が地面に手をつくとガマ口縛りが発動する。
Jiraiya plants his hands on the ground and performs the Toad-Mouth Bind.

小南「ガマ口縛りか…。どうする？」
Konan: The Toad-Mouth Bind...what do I do now?

ペイン「アレですぐに片付ける。お前は邪魔にならない所にいろ。」
Pain: I can finish him immediately with "them." Just stay back.

壁に手をかざすペイン。
Pain puts his hands on the wall.

ペイン（口寄せの術…！）
Pain: Summoning technique!

壁に穴が空いて六体の暁が寝ている部屋が出てくる。
A hole opens in the wall, and the room with the six sleeping Akatsuki appears.

ペインが部屋に入ろうとする。
自来也がペインの影から出てくる。
Pain tries to enter the room, and Jiraiya appears from his shadow.

小南「後ろよ、ペイン！」
Konan: Pain, behind you!

自来也（火遁・大華輪）
Jiraiya: Fire Element - Grand Fire Wheel! (Katon - Dai Karin)

火遁をモロに喰らい倒れるペイン。
The flames envelop Pain, and he collapses.

ペイン「くっ…俺の影に触れたのは…あの時か…。」
Pain: Rrgh...he must have touched...my shadow...back then...

自来也の髪を切った時のことを思い出すペイン。
Pain flashes back to when he cut Jiraiya's hair.

自来也が床に手を着くとガマの肉塊がペインの体を覆う。
Jiraiya touches the floor and the toad-flesh wraps around Pain.

自来也「終わりだな。が…、その前にお前達がワシと別れてから何があったのか話して貰おうかのぉ。」
Jiraiya: This fight is over...but before I kill you, I want to hear what happened after we parted ways.

ペイン「誰に向かって話している…。」
Pain: Who're you talking to?

ペインが六体の暁の部屋から出てくる。
Pain comes out of the Six Akatsuki Body room

自来也「なんだと…！」
Jiraiya: W-what the hell?!

ガマの肉塊に縛られたペインが消える。
The "Pain" held by the toad-flesh disappears.

自来也（影分身…！？そんな隙がいつ…）
Jiraiya: A shadow clone?! But I never gave him the chance to-

ペイン「驚いてる暇は無い…。」
Jiraiya: You don't have time to be shocked.

ペインの後ろから五体のペインが出てくる。
Five more Pains appear behind the current one

自来也（なんだコイツらは…、全員に輪廻眼！？一体どうなってる…）
Jiraiya: Who are these guys...they've all got the Rin'negan! What the hell is going on here?!

ペイン「ここからが本番だ。いきますよ…先生。」
Pain: Now...time for the real fight. Get ready, "sensei."

一体のペインが正面から突っ込んで来る。
斜め後ろに避ける自来也。
しかし自来也の背後には別のペインが。
One Pain charges straight in. Jiraiya dodges backward, but another Pain pops up behind him.

自来也そのペインに螺旋丸。しかし水分身。
Jiraiya nails it with a Rasengan, but it was a Water Clone

その瞬間自来也の頭上からさらに別のペイン。
As he hits it, another Pain drops in from above

弍のペイン（風遁・烈風掌！！）
Pain 2: Wind Element - Cyclone Blow! (Fuuton - Reppuushou)

自来也（くっ…間に合わん！）
Jiraiya: Kh-Not gonna make it!

爆発が起きる。煙が止むと二人ともその場に立っている。
Something blows up. When the smoke clears, the two of them are standing in the same spot

弍のペイン「螺旋丸でそのまま相殺されたか。」
Pain 2: Rasengan me now and we'll both be killed.

自来也（術の威力が大分上がっとるな…。）
Jiraiya: His Cyclone Blow packs a real punch now...

少しダメージを受けている自来也。
Jiraiya's showing a little damage.

自来也「これは一体どういうことだ…。輪廻眼を持つ者が…お前以外にも…？」
Jiraiya: How can this be...there are people with the Rin'negan...BESIDES you?

弍のペイン「いや…、全員俺だ。」
Pain 2: Nope...they're all me.

煽り恐るべき六人のペイン…！自来也に勝機は…！？
The terrifying truth...Six Pains! How can Jiraiya win?!

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Hmm first spoiler I posted might not be legit.

This could be the real version.  This one sounds pretty real :o  I want this one to be real cause it would mean Jiraiya would be fighting against 6 PEOPLE! :D
 
[spoiler]These are the real spoilers judging from those pics. Translation in prog.
374話 自来也VSペイン！！
Chapter 37４: Jiraiya vs. Pain!

扉絵は無い。
No cover

煽り 師（自来也）と教え子（ペイン）、ついに対峙…！
Jiraiya and Pain square off!

睨み合う二人
They're staring at each other

自来也「フン…」
Jiraiya: Hmph...
ペイン「…」

自来也「お前達がそうなった理由がどうであれ、お前達二人は今ここで始末する
。」
Jiraiya:　I suppose it doesn't matter why you became what you did...I'm here to kill you both, and nothing more.

ペイン「アナタももう老いた。あまり無理をしない方が良い。」
Pain: You've gotten so old...you shouldn't push yourself.

自来也「こちとら最初から死ぬ覚悟で来とる。今更老いたも何も無いのぉ。」
Jiraiya: I've accepted the fact that I could die completing this mission. It doesn't matter how old I am.

ペイン「フッ…、死ぬ覚悟か。それは面白い。本気のアナタが見れそうだ。」
Pain: Prepared for death...Interesting. I guess we'll finally see you fight at full strength.

そう言ったと思うとそこにペインの姿は無くすでに自来也の背後に。
The moment he finished speaking, he appears behind Jiraiya.

自来也（何！？）
Jiraiya: Wha-

自来也、ペインに向き直って後ろに退く。
その自来也の髪が切れて捕まっていた小南がそれを振りほどく。
Jiraya leaps back while turning to face Pain.
His hair is cut and Konan is freed.

自来也（なんて奴だ…。今の一瞬でワシの髪を…。スピードは昔とは桁外れだな）
Jiraiya: This kid is something else...he cut my hair in the blink of an eye...he's so much faster than he used to be.

ペイン「小南、ここは俺一人で十分だ。お前は残る五尾を狩りに行け。九尾は先生を始末した後俺が狩りに行く 」
Pain: Konan, I can handle this by myself. You're to go hunt the Five-Tails - it and the Nine-Tails are the only beasts we lack, and I'll get the Nine-Tails myself after I kill Jiraiya-sense.

小南「わかった」
Konan: As you wish.

その爆から立ち去ろうとする小南。
Konan tries to leave.

自来也（逃がさん…！）
Jiraiya: You're not going anywhere!

自来也が地面に手をつくとガマ口縛りが発動する。
Jiraiya plants his hands on the ground and performs the Toad-Mouth Bind.

小南「ガマ口縛りか…。どうする？」
Konan: The Toad-Mouth Bind...what do I do now?

ペイン「アレですぐに片付ける。お前は邪魔にならない所にいろ。」
Pain: I can finish him immediately with "them." Just stay back.

壁に手をかざすペイン。
Pain puts his hands on the wall.

ペイン（口寄せの術…！）
Pain: Summoning technique!

壁に穴が空いて六体の暁が寝ている部屋が出てくる。
A hole opens in the wall, and the room with the six sleeping Akatsuki appears.

ペインが部屋に入ろうとする。
自来也がペインの影から出てくる。
Pain tries to enter the room, and Jiraiya appears from his shadow.

小南「後ろよ、ペイン！」
Konan: Pain, behind you!

自来也（火遁・大華輪）
Jiraiya: Fire Element - Grand Fire Wheel! (Katon - Dai Karin)

火遁をモロに喰らい倒れるペイン。
The flames envelop Pain, and he collapses.

ペイン「くっ…俺の影に触れたのは…あの時か…。」
Pain: Rrgh...he must have touched...my shadow...back then...

自来也の髪を切った時のことを思い出すペイン。
Pain flashes back to when he cut Jiraiya's hair.

自来也が床に手を着くとガマの肉塊がペインの体を覆う。
Jiraiya touches the floor and the toad-flesh wraps around Pain.

自来也「終わりだな。が…、その前にお前達がワシと別れてから何があったのか話して貰おうかの ぉ。」
Jiraiya: This fight is over...but before I kill you, I want to hear what happened after we parted ways.

ペイン「誰に向かって話している…。」
Pain: Who're you talking to?

ペインが六体の暁の部屋から出てくる。
Pain comes out of the Six Akatsuki Body room

自来也「なんだと…！」
Jiraiya: W-what the hell?!

ガマの肉塊に縛られたペインが消える。
The "Pain" held by the toad-flesh disappears.

自来也（影分身…！？そんな隙がいつ…）
Jiraiya: A shadow clone?! But I never gave him the chance to-

ペイン「驚いてる暇は無い…。」
Jiraiya: You don't have time to be shocked.

ペインの後ろから五体のペインが出てくる。
Five more Pains appear behind the current one

自来也（なんだコイツらは…、全員に輪廻眼！？一体どうなってる…）
Jiraiya: Who are these guys...they've all got the Rin'negan! What the hell is going on here?!

ペイン「ここからが本番だ。いきますよ…先生。」
Pain: Now...time for the real fight. Get ready, "sensei."

一体のペインが正面から突っ込んで来る。
斜め後ろに避ける自来也。
しかし自来也の背後には別のペインが。
One Pain charges straight in. Jiraiya dodges backward, but another Pain pops up behind him.

自来也そのペインに螺旋丸。 しかし水分身。
Jiraiya nails it with a Rasengan, but it was a Water Clone

その瞬間自来也の頭上からさらに別のペイン。
As he hits it, another Pain drops in from above

弍のペイン（風遁・烈風掌！！）
Pain 2: Wind Element - Cyclone Blow! (Fuuton - Reppuushou)

自来也（くっ…間に合わん！）
Jiraiya: Kh-Not gonna make it!

爆発が起きる。煙が止むと二人ともその場に立っている。
Something blows up. When the smoke clears, the two of them are standing in the same spot

弍のペイン「螺旋丸でそのまま相殺されたか。」
Pain 2: Rasengan me now and we'll both be killed.

自来也（術の威力が大分上がっとるな…。）
Jiraiya: His Cyclone Blow packs a real punch now...

少しダメージを受けている自来也。
Jiraiya's showing a little damage.

自来也「これは一体どういうことだ…。輪廻眼を持つ者が…お前以外にも…？」
Jiraiya: How can this be...there are people with the Rin'negan...BESIDES you?

弍のペイン「いや…、全員俺だ。」
Pain 2: Nope...they're all me.

煽り恐るべき六人のペイン…！自来也に勝機は…！？
The terrifying truth...Six Pains! How can Jiraiya win?![/spoiler]

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

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6 people thats could be awesome, especailly in the anime. :D

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6 people thats could be awesome, especailly in the anime. :D

Definitely. This fact alone now guarantees Jiraiya is likely going to be impressive. I also get the feeling that every single one of those bodies have their own individual chakra that isn't shared across them all (which will really make it feel like fighting 6 possibly kage level shinobi)

At the very least Jiraiya was right when he said its impossible that one man could defeat Hanzou. It probably took 6.

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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

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Since 7142 Days

Okay the first spoiler is the legit one where Pain mentions the kinjutsu.

There are very few readable lines in the pictures, but among them is the title: Growing into a god.

The other visible line is Pain's "into a god." (when he says infinate pain has helped him grow into such).

This summary correlates with both Himajin's spoilers and the real pictures, so it's most likely real.

The source is 2ch, btw.

扉絵なし
No opening image*

*(and as you can see, the title is on the second image top to bottom above).

ペイン（長門）蟹を口寄せ
Pain (Nagato) summons a crab.

コナンの蝦蟇油を洗い落とす
その蟹自来也を襲うが乱獅子髪の術でしばり
蟹を消すそしてその術でペイン捕まえる
The crab washes away the Toad Oil on Konan and attacks Jiraiya, but Jiraiya restrains it with his hair jutsu and does away with it, and then restrains Pain with the same jutsu.

自来也とペインが会話
Jiaiya and Pain talk.
弥彦はとっくに死んだ
Pain says Yahiko died a long time ago.
自来也ムキ！
Jiraiya gets pissed.*

*Ok, this is a scene which appears in the images above, and which was described by Himajin. Jiraiya asks about Yahiko and Nagato dismissively says "yeah, I think I remember him. Died long ago, that idiot." Well, he doesn't say idiot, but his wording implies Yahiko was really insignificant, which is probably what pisses Jiraiya off.

中略
Start of summary.

尾獣集めの目的
The purpose of collecting Bijuu.

尾獣を使って新しい禁術を造るため
The idea is to produce a new kinjustu (forbidden jutsu) with them.

一つ使用しただけで一瞬にして大国を潰す
Using this jutsu but once would be enough to destroy one of the Great Countries in an instant.

最大最強の禁術兵器を作るため
It would be the ultimate kinjutsu weapon.

中略
End summary.

ペインと自来也口寄せ
Pain and Jiriaya both do a summon.

ペイン　カメレオン
Pain's summon is a chameleon

自来也　蝦蟇　不器用なヤマケンさん
Jiraiya's is a toad, "Clumsy Yamaken-san"

次号　本当の怪物
Next time: The Real Monster

and here are 8 spoiler pics

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s82/mihsaan/hrz...
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s82/mihsaan/hrz...
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s82/mihsaan/hrz...
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s82/mihsaan/hrz...
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s82/mihsaan/hrz...
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s82/mihsaan/hrz...
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s82/mihsaan/hrz...
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s82/mihsaan/hrz...

Hmm he intends to create a forbidden jutsu that summons a number of tailed beasts only they'll be under his full control and they just wreak havoc on a shinobi village? Wait a minute remember Madara could summon the nine-tails? Perhaps this forbidden jutsu Pain plans to create will be similar to that only on a much larger scale. Or maybe... Pain would simply be able to summon the beasts and he would require Madara's services to control them? Perhaps Sasuke plays a role in this whole thing.

It appears there just might be some truth to Zetsu showing up and showing interest in Hinata.

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Okay the first spoiler is the legit one where Pain mentions the kinjutsu.

[spoiler]There are very few readable lines in the pictures, but among them is the title: Growing into a god.

The other visible line is Pain's "into a god." (when he says infinate pain has helped him grow into such).

This summary correlates with both Himajin's spoilers and the real pictures, so it's most likely real.

The source is 2ch, btw.

扉絵なし
No opening image*

*(and as you can see, the title is on the second image top to bottom above).

ペイン（長門）蟹を口寄せ
Pain (Nagato) summons a crab.

コナンの蝦蟇油を洗い落とす
その蟹自来也を襲うが乱獅子髪の術でしばり
蟹を消すそしてその術でペイン捕まえる
The crab washes away the Toad Oil on Konan and attacks Jiraiya, but Jiraiya restrains it with his hair jutsu and does away with it, and then restrains Pain with the same jutsu.

自来也とペインが会話
Jiaiya and Pain talk.
弥彦はとっくに死んだ
Pain says Yahiko died a long time ago.
自来也ムキ！
Jiraiya gets pissed.*

*Ok, this is a scene which appears in the images above, and which was described by Himajin. Jiraiya asks about Yahiko and Nagato dismissively says "yeah, I think I remember him. Died long ago, that idiot." Well, he doesn't say idiot, but his wording implies Yahiko was really insignificant, which is probably what pisses Jiraiya off.

中略
Start of summary.

尾獣集めの目的
The purpose of collecting Bijuu.

尾獣を使って新しい禁術を造るため
The idea is to produce a new kinjustu (forbidden jutsu) with them.

一つ使用しただけで一瞬にして大国を潰す
Using this jutsu but once would be enough to destroy one of the Great Countries in an instant.

最大最強の禁術兵器を作るため
It would be the ultimate kinjutsu weapon.

中略
End summary.

ペインと自来也口寄せ
Pain and Jiriaya both do a summon.

ペイン　カメレオン
Pain's summon is a chameleon

自来也　蝦蟇　不器用なヤマケンさん
Jiraiya's is a toad, "Clumsy Yamaken-san"

次号　本当の怪物
Next time: The Real Monster [/spoiler]

and here are 8 spoiler pics

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s82/mihsaan/hrzf1-1-f8a0.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s82/mihsaan/hrzf1-2-f8a0.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s82/mihsaan/hrzf1-3-f8a0.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s82/mihsaan/hrzf1-4-f8a0.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s82/mihsaan/hrzf1-5-f8a0.jpg
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Hmm he intends to create a forbidden jutsu [spoiler]that summons a number of tailed beasts only they'll be under his full control and they just wreak havoc on a shinobi village?  Wait a minute remember Madara could summon the nine-tails?  Perhaps this forbidden jutsu Pain plans to create will be similar to that only on a much larger scale.  Or maybe... Pain would simply be able to summon the beasts and he would require Madara's services to control them?  Perhaps Sasuke plays a role in this whole thing. [/spoiler]

It appears there just might be some truth to Zetsu showing up [spoiler]and showing interest in Hinata.[/spoiler]

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.

pssh! more like electronic gay-ming monthly! amirite

Since 6546 Days

I think that Marada will again be the one that summons while Pein, who seems to be able to make identical copies of himself that are actually just 1 person (I mean they aren't clones), will be the ones that the beasts will be put into. It would effectively make Pein the "container" for all the tail-beasts. But what are the other members of Akatsuki getting out of this if they know? If they don't know then Pein and Tobi are in for a rude awakening if someone tips off the other members before they finish the plan. Imagine the strongest that Khona has to offer teaming up with the Akatsuki too take down Marada and tail-powered Pein. The potential awesomeness is too much for my human mind to imagine.

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mkk316

Since 7062 Days

ManicMonkey, such a situation, could in fact, result in the destruction of the universe. Because that's way too much awesome concentrated in one place.

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Saying you cant find animaton in Japan is like saying you cant find food in Italy

Since 7133 Days

I was guna say that, it would never happen as a human couldn't contain that much chakra, at least im guessing, .....

Maybe I could, of course :P

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Marumaro for the WIN !!

Since 7142 Days

Haha I suppose that all depends on what exactly in the world the Rinnegan can do :)

We still have no idea exactly what the other bodies Pain has are about We have an idea of course Sage of the "six" paths and Pain has six bodies

I want to find out exactly why the Rinnegan is viewed as the most powerful of the 3 in this fight. I wonder if Jiraiya himself even knows any details about it other than it's reputation as the most powerful.

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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.

pssh! more like electronic gay-ming monthly! amirite

mkk316

Since 7062 Days

I bet you that the Rinnegan is so rare and powerful a bloodline that any info on it is probably considered conjecture and myth. Im excited myself to see what its capable of, they've certainly built it up as something major. Good times to be a Naruto fan. :)

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Saying you cant find animaton in Japan is like saying you cant find food in Italy

Since 7142 Days

Well said :)

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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.

pssh! more like electronic gay-ming monthly! amirite