Poor Jade Raymond? Stupid Lawyer?

Since 7224 Days

Posted by alimokrane

Why are you comparing a game producer to a movie star. They just arent the same thing. Can anyone back me up on this ?

What, movie stars aren't people? They aren't protected by the same laws as we are? Give me a break.. Free speech. It's a big deal here. I'd like to see this go to court, and I'd like to see SomethingAwful win. That doesn't mean I like the comic and it doesn't mean I don't see what's wrong with it.

And like it or not, Ubisoft is just making this worse.

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Jollipop

Since 7107 Days

No I think we should save our pity for people who need it, ie those that we know.

It's wasted on someone we don't.

Don't get me wrong, I think its sad, but these things happen, time for her to suck it up and put it behind her. (not make it worse than it is)

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Marumaro for the WIN !!

Since 7224 Days

What's there to feel so bad about anyway? Do you really think that she's like, at home crying about this right now? Do you really think this hurts her image much, if at all?

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SimonM7

Since 7247 Days

I know that if this comic was put into words and those words were about someone here, you'd be banned for it.

There's a reason for that ban, and it's one of the most natural things we feel about one another.

SA taking this to court and winning is a win for the right to make baseless claims about other people and publicly defile them on the net. That's a cause to fight for if ever there was one!

This thread makes me sad and disappointed, and I'll stop reading it now.

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Since 7224 Days

I'm glad there are people out there who can make the distinction between libel and slander and the stupid shit we see on the internet--because there is a difference--and running to your lawyers whenever shit like this happens is fucking lame. This is a poor attempt at humor gone terribly wrong. It's tasteless, it's disgusting, but it shouldn't be condemned to censorship or banned or ILLEGAL just because someone doesn't like it. SomethingAwful should be able to decide for themselves what they do or do not need to censor.. unless something is truly libelous, or in some other way against the law.

If every person with any level of public exposure sued someone every time something like this happened, our legal system would be even more cluttered with frivolous lawsuits than it already is. You want it? Try it in the UK and I wouldn't give a shit what happened. And it would be libel, if anything, by the way.. which is a stretch if you ask me.

And it wouldn't take WORDS Simon. If that comic was posted here, in its current form, YOU WOULD BE BANNED. But that's not really the point. It's not our job to uphold free speech, and it's not my job to judge SomethingAwful's decisions either.

A page that I will continue to visit, by the way. Photoshop Phriday rocks.

"In law, defamation is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government or nation. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism."

And it is something to fight for--because this isn't fucking libel and it's not fucking illegal.

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If every person with any level of public exposure sued someone every time something like this happened, our legal system would be even more cluttered with frivolous lawsuits than it already is.  You want it?  Try it in the UK and I wouldn't give a shit what happened.  And it would be libel, if anything, by the way.. which is a stretch if you ask me.

And it wouldn't take WORDS Simon.  If that comic was posted here, in its current form, YOU WOULD BE BANNED.  But that's not really the point.  It's not our job to uphold free speech, and it's not my job to judge SomethingAwful's decisions either.

A page that I will continue to visit, by the way.  Photoshop Phriday rocks.

"In law, defamation is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government or nation. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism."

And it is something to fight for--because this isn't fucking libel and it's not fucking illegal.

Jollipop

Since 7107 Days

Well its not quite as simple as that Simon, newspapers and magazines make baseless claims everyday.

So regardless of who wins it won't change a thing, SA may get a slap on the wrist but no law would be put in place to maintain internet slander, mainly because the internet is far to big.

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Marumaro for the WIN !!

alimokrane

Since 7154 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

Why do you always understand what I want to say the wrong way ? :P I meant this kind of treatment is usually a characteristic of the movie industry and not the game industry that's all. IT's appauling in both cases that's for SURE!

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Bring on Lost Odyssey!

Since 7224 Days

There are already laws against libel and slander. This isn't slander by any means though. It could be libel, but I don't think it's that easy to define it as such. Personally, I'm thankful that there aren't tort laws against people having their feelings hurt, which is basically what this amounts to. Freedom of speech is far more important than that.

Posted by alimokrane

There are plenty of things that are appalling that aren't worth litigation.

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Since 7346 Days

Posted by Jollipop

I think its a bit silly to feel sorry for her, its not like she is a close friend or someone any of us know anyway.

I agree on this one too. "Oh poor Jade", lol come on.

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CockKnocker

Since 7169 Days

yea if it was like some no-name girl that someone made a pic of and ruined her life i might feel kinda bad for her, but this lady just seems like an attention-whore (no pun) so i dont think she would care. Not bashing her or anything, but like i said im pretty sure she likes all of the attention and publicity she gets from being associated with AC.

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Since 7224 Days

I fail to see how this could possibly ruin anyones life.

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deftangel

Since 7092 Days

I think we're forgetting that this comic wasn't created by SomethingAwful...it was made by someone else and off site linked on their forums. Pretty stupid to threaten them with litigation for that.

The image's bandwidth would have expired after a month but now it's mirrored everywhere and on it's way to meme like status. What's going to happen next time she's got a game to talk about? This will be dragged up again and again.

It's stupid and lame she has to be treated this way and even stupider to make a meal out of it.

The difference between this and libel is that the comic was very clearly satrical. Tasteless and a very poor attempt at it yes but satrical all the same. It wouldn't get past a magistrate.

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Since 7224 Days

Posted by deftangel

The difference between this and libel is that the comic was very clearly satrical. Tasteless and a very poor attempt at it yes but satrical all the same. It wouldn't get past a magistrate.

Yeah.. apparently understanding the difference makes us awful people. What this world needs is less freedom, and more laws to protect us from things that don't actually hurt. That's 100% sarcasm, just in case someone managed to miss that.

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Since 7346 Days

Like Grift said, this is not slander nor libel, nothing. There's no defamation here.

"humorous or satirical accounts ordinarily are not defamation unless a reasonable reader would believe that they purport to describe real events."--my notes.

So I ask those saying "I hope x pays for what they did!, poor Jade, her career is ruined!". Do you really truly believes Jade was doing whatever she was doing and saying on the comic to sell Assassin's Creed?

Come on. We all know is satirical and humorous, like Deftangel said, they'll get nothing out of this. Well perhaps it is free advertising for somethingawful.com, whoever hosts the picture, and of course the game.

It really is nothing more. Know the law, and be rational please.

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Jin187

Since 6968 Days

I cant believe a thread about this has reached 3 pages!?

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Street Fighter 4... Believe.

jioann00

Since 6556 Days

Posted by Jin187

I cant believe a thread about this has reached 3 pages!?

hey well some of us dont have mass effect to play on you know lol!!!!
some of us are really bored!!!! :(

btw, poor jade my ass!!!

its not exacly a cartoon dipicting a sacred profit of a huge religion whom is never supposed to be drawn AND with a bomb on his head then printed in a national newspaper during a sensitive part of history where religuos extremism is in practice and while US and british troops all over the middle east!!!

ubisoft need to chill out who the hell cares about this childish cartoon
i dont know whats more childish,
the cartoon, or ubisoft for sueing the website that hosted it

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Since 7037 Days

the cartoon.

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Saying you cant find animaton in Japan is like saying you cant find food in Italy

jioann00

Since 6556 Days

touche...
touche' indeeeeeeeeeeed
lol

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ItsOK_ImaNinja

Since 6537 Days

Wow,

Sometimes I think there are many men who have been brainwashed into thinking they should feel sorry for a woman when something like has happened.

Brainwashed into thinking it is proper, and human to feel sad for them and stick up for them - to defend them.

It's the sign of a true sexist. Why do some of you feel the need to "feel sorry" for this woman you don't even know? She's an adult, who should be perfectly capable of dealing with this in a mature fashion. If she's freaking out over this then she's an idiot.

Are you convinced that she needs your pity? That's she's emotionally and mentally weak and thus needs your support? You feel sorry for her?

Hah!!

I see the extinction of the human male continues. There are only a few real men left.

If Jade Raymond was standing in front me right now crying over this I'd laugh in her face and thank God my wife isn't such a loser.

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Since 7037 Days

so gawking at a disgusting, distasteful picture of a woman, albeit a fake one, is what makes you man? .....good luck with that. But hey, you know what, your right, she is a full grown woman who can handle her own problems. Its just sad there are people out there who do this type of crap.

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Saying you cant find animaton in Japan is like saying you cant find food in Italy

Since 7346 Days

What makes you a man is chasing a woman in a dense jungle, knock her out, grab her by the hair and drag her to your house. Now that is man.

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Since 7037 Days

sounds more like a klingon to me. :P

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Saying you cant find animaton in Japan is like saying you cant find food in Italy

Since 7346 Days

Posted by mkk316

sounds more like a klingon to me. :P

lol, I had to look that up and google came out with this:

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