Vanquish

Since 6824 Days

Sure, but you could take the entire environmental context out of Uncharted and still retain every single aspect of the game's appeal. Tomb Raider is about exploration and traversal, and the environments both provide the genuine excitement of discovery, aswell as the proper texture/geometry for its platforming.

Uncharted's platforming is so eeeexxxttrrrreeeeemeely basic and devoid of exploration and plotting that you could script one of those sequences in any environment.

And conversely, Tomb Raider's combat is downplayed to the point where they really ought to pull a Shattered Memories and remove it alltogether. That game is ALL about its puzzles and platforming, and the actual intellectual stimulation that comes from figuring that stuff out. It's a methodical thinker's game, not one for action muppets.

Which is why it's frustrating when people who like one of those games make broad statements about how it's better than the other, when they're like... Shenmue and Yakuza, frankly. :)

But regarding how this all relates to Vanquish - and it does I'm not just rambling here - I think this game's core appeal and Uncharted's core appeal may well turn out to be very similar, even though thematically they're obviously completely different.

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Sure, but you could take the entire environmental context out of Uncharted and still retain every single aspect of the game's appeal. Tomb Raider is about exploration and traversal, and the environments both provide the genuine excitement of discovery, aswell as the proper texture/geometry for its platforming.

Uncharted's platforming is so eeeexxxttrrrreeeeemeely basic and devoid of exploration and plotting that you could script one of those sequences in any environment.

And conversely, Tomb Raider's combat is downplayed to the point where they really ought to pull a Shattered Memories and remove it alltogether. That game is ALL about its puzzles and platforming, and the actual intellectual stimulation that comes from figuring that stuff out. It's a methodical thinker's game, not one for action muppets.

Which is why it's frustrating when people who like one of those games make broad statements about how it's better than the other, when they're like... Shenmue and Yakuza, frankly. :)

But regarding how this all relates to Vanquish - and it does I'm not [i]just[/i] rambling here - I think this game's core appeal and Uncharted's core appeal may well turn out to be very similar, even though thematically they're obviously completely different.

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Sath

Since 6667 Days

I dont disagree...but I am more of a action person if anything, so Uncharted feels more at "home" for me than Tomb Raider does, however I love both looks of the games though and their concepts :)

It is going be exciting to see a new gameplay video of Vanquish.

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alimokrane

Since 6731 Days

Posted by SimonM7

Yeah it's truly exhilarating how you dart around the environments, jump up on cover and kick a guy in the face as you're launching yourself off it, start running towards another guy shooting wildly at him and then transistion seamlessly into a flying punch to the face taking him out instantly, rolling into cover, pop up, shoot a barrel and see a group of enemies get blown into the air, duck out of the way of an incoming grenade that destroys whatever you were hiding behind, and firing haphazardly towards where the enemies are as you rush for new cover, and so on and so forth.

When Uncharted gets into the groove of that stuff it's utterly brilliant, and UC1 especially does that often.

I get that Simon and Honestly not trying to compare the two at all. Sath brought up the issue of Quick-ness in and I still disagree that the shooting mechanic is faster in uncharted than it is in gears. That was the topic of debate.

hand to hand combat and adventure-platforming elements aside, I still think gears has a faster shooting mechanic in the sense that it is a lot more swift. That includes how aiming is implemented, how fast u can move from point A to B, from cover to cover and how aiming seamlessly goes with that. In uncharted, that aspect seems a bit clunky which is to be expected anyways in a game in this genre. That's certainly not taking anything away from uncharted.

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[quote=SimonM7]Yeah it's truly exhilarating how you dart around the environments, jump up on cover and kick a guy in the face as you're launching yourself off it, start running towards another guy shooting wildly at him and then transistion seamlessly into a flying punch to the face taking him out instantly, rolling into cover, pop up, shoot a barrel and see a group of enemies get blown into the air, duck out of the way of an incoming grenade that destroys whatever you were hiding behind, and firing haphazardly towards where the enemies are as you rush for new cover, and so on and so forth.

When Uncharted gets into the groove of that stuff it's utterly brilliant, and UC1 especially does that often.[/quote]

I get that Simon and Honestly not trying to compare the two at all. Sath brought up the issue of Quick-ness in and I still disagree that the shooting mechanic is faster in uncharted than it is in gears. That was the topic of debate.

hand to hand combat and adventure-platforming elements aside, I still think gears has a faster shooting mechanic in the sense that it is a lot more swift. That includes how aiming is implemented, how fast u can move from point A to B, from cover to cover and how aiming seamlessly goes with that. In uncharted, that aspect seems a bit clunky which is to be expected anyways in a game in this genre. That's certainly not taking anything away from uncharted.

Optimusv2

Since 6693 Days

Okay.. this game looks like it's going to be extremely exciting.

It's pretty much going to have strong shooter mechanics, but then toss in a level of close range combat action and boss battles that are unlike anything in most of the shooters we play today.

This game certainly sounds like one of those games I've been waiting for.

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SimonM7

Since 6824 Days

I disagree, but it's pointless to debate further until you've played Uncharted really.

Gears is a lot more focused on the combat, so it makes sense that it's more composed and more methodical. Uncharted is all over the place, heart pounding and breakneck. I dunno how even videos can give you the impression that it's clunky, but you'll know when you play it what we meant all along.

It's INSANE that you haven't played it yet, to be honest, you're going to love those games. :)

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alimokrane

Since 6731 Days

Posted by SimonM7

I disagree, but it's pointless to debate further until you've played Uncharted really.

Gears is a lot more focused on the combat, so it makes sense that it's more composed and more methodical. Uncharted is all over the place, heart pounding and breakneck. I dunno how even videos can give you the impression that it's clunky, but you'll know when you play it what we meant all along.

It's INSANE that you haven't played it yet, to be honest, you're going to love those games. :)

The way players control the aim on those videos gives the impression of clunky-ness but like you said, I will have a much better idea when I have played.

I KNOW I havent played all these great games .... uncharted... assassins creed 2 .....halo 3.... odst ..... GRGrvhrgehrgehrgehrg ..... I have barely anytime these days... all I stare at these days are pages of write ups in this bloody thesis... I am managing to steal a few minutes here and there to actually check this forum at least ;)

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IRAIPT0IR

Since 5509 Days

http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1232614_1124.html

INSANE!!!!!

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IRAIPT0IR

Since 5509 Days

Damn it I cant edit now,anyway here is the japanese website.

http://vanquish.sega.jp/info.html

Awesome indeed!!

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Optimusv2

Since 6693 Days

Game looks like it'll be cool as all hell.

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

Sath

Since 6667 Days

Oh hell yeah!

Fast paced action sci-fi shooter, from Japan, you know they are going to stylize its combat :D

Gameplay please!

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alimokrane

Since 6731 Days

This is studio is proovin everyone that thinks Japanease games are stuck in the padt WRONG :D I am glad Sega is publishing this too!

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Sath

Since 6667 Days

But didnt they do a horrible job at the PS3 version of Bayonetta? Or do I have to blame Kamyia :P

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alimokrane

Since 6731 Days

Posted by Sath

But didnt they do a horrible job at the PS3 version of Bayonetta? Or do I have to blame Kamyia :P

Who, Sega u mean ? Yes they did but I am sure they learned this time around. Didnt they release a patch for Bayonetta though?

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Sath

Since 6667 Days

Posted by alimokrane

Who, Sega u mean ? Yes they did but I am sure they learned this time around. Didnt they release a patch for Bayonetta though?

LOL its Sega, they are slow at stuff :P

As far as I remember, Sony released the patch.

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alimokrane

Since 6731 Days

Posted by Sath

LOL its Sega, they are slow at stuff :P

As far as I remember, Sony released the patch.

huh ? Sony ??? What does Sony have to do with a patch for a game they didnt even develop ??? U cant be serious dude. I dont get you sometimes :D

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IRAIPT0IR

Since 5509 Days

Posted by Sath

But didnt they do a horrible job at the PS3 version of Bayonetta? Or do I have to blame Kamyia :P

Kamiya made the materpiece as a exclusive and Sega made the PS3 port :P

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Sath

Since 6667 Days

Posted by alimokrane

huh ? Sony ??? What does Sony have to do with a patch for a game they didnt even develop ??? U cant be serious dude. I dont get you sometimes :D

You DONt have to get me anything :P
I said AS FAR AS I REMEMBER, meaning my memory could be wrong.

But I dont want to search for it so, google it and see how made the patch if you care.

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Kamiya made the materpiece as a exclusive and Sega made the PS3 port :P

Hmm huh, where!? :P

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BLackHawkodst

Since 5687 Days

Sounds pretty avg to me, EG have a write up of the demo they saw.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/vanquish-preview...

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IRAIPT0IR

Since 5509 Days

They said the same thing about Bayonetta and look what we got!

We need gameplay before saying its average or anything for that matter but Im sure it will have something really awesome,wea re talking Mikami here afterall.

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BLackHawkodst

Since 5687 Days

I see nor hear anything to get excited about and i'm a shooter sci-fi fan, but this just looks to be well avg..., but i'll wait for some footage to see what its all about.

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Optimusv2

Since 6693 Days

Doesn't seem to me like Eurogamer got much of a preview at all, it seems they only got the opportunity to speak to the man in charge of the project and what may or may not have been his inspirations for the project.

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

BLackHawkodst

Since 5687 Days

Nope they watched a 20min gameplay demo? (thers a 4 page write on there site, sorry only linked to the last page (4))

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Sath

Since 6667 Days

PS3 is now officially the lead platform!
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3178212

This wont worry me anymore.

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IRAIPT0IR

Since 5509 Days

What the hell how is that even posible????

RAGEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! Why Mikami why you do that to us loyal fanssss RAGEEEEE!!!!!

;)

Awesome news indeed,that means we will get an awesome game hopefully in both platforms!

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Sath

Since 6667 Days

Well thats my dream Raptor...my dream ;)

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