I'm not really that surprised that this is more of an issue in MW2 than COD4.. but in the latter I can take the default Spec Ops class into any server and kick complete ass. You don't actually need unlocks in COD4 (Or BF2) to perform. I hate RPG progression... but those earlier examples mostly got it right. The more they try to make the progression "deeper," the more they're going to break their games.

Just sayin'.

As for the rest of your post.. well.. if you enjoyed the first BC so much.. it's only natural that this is going to look terrific. The kit design is still very suspect to me though. There's a more obvious explanation behind their decisions too.. They don't actually want to force people into squads. Giving the assault class resupply makes him a lot more deadly on his own than he probably should be. It's the same reason they've added in health regeneration. You don't actually have to work as a team to perform. That's pretty lame. It doesn't matter if it's "arcade," TF2 forces classes to work together better than any game on the market, and it doesn't get much more arcade than that.1943 is okay. I don't know about Ace, but my main beef with '43 is that it's really stripped down. There's only a small handful of vehicles.. and they couldn't even balance the three kits in the game.

It's funny too, because DICE had suggested that the reason they consolidated kits in 2142 (and on) is that it made balancing the game easier.. yet BF2 feels infinitely more balanced than BF1942Lite.

You didn't notice how squads were totally borked? Everything from joining a squad (didn't work half the time! Even Dice noted this), joining a server game in progress had issues and even more issues getting in open squads, 4 person squad limits, limited chat, no squad direction, etc. Squads were *very* limited in BF1943, and it was especially BAD because it was broken (as in inconsistent and didn't always act predictably which is POOR software design).

You could give basic orders in 1943.. and considering how basic the game is, I'm not sure how much more direction you were looking for.

Everything is very limited in 1943.

Yeah, those crazy blackhawks tore through attack helos! Oh wait.. no.. they didn't! Granted.. there's not an attack chopper on every map, but there is anti-air.

Plus, I'm just talking about infantry balance.

Does anyone know if engis in vehicles still repair neighboring vehicles automatically? There was nothing like being a tank+apc squad in BF2.

Well if you would quote the freaking entire SENTANCE you wouldn't be reading me out of conexts with strawmen, now would you?Which I even clarified with examples:The teamwork features in the squads is not only very simplifies (newbified from BF2 as I said) and actually broken. It was inconsistent in terms of joining/leaving squads and had team joining issues as well as joining your friends in open servers.

So, back to what I was told, taking away the "This is more like BF2 and not BFBC" as some have thought, people playing the game are saying squads are like 1943 AND have the technical issues. Dumbed down design + technical issues that make the tools inconsistent = BAD.

As for 1943 onlione in general I liked it. Never said I hated it. But the teamwork implimentation is very, VERY weak. And while people are trying to excuse it to justify bashing other games and it was "only $15" the fact is BFBC2 has the same implimentation in the demo.

At least you can manually spot targets for better team communciation.

Team work implementation is weak in 1943, but so is everything else. I'm not sure what kind of squad direction you're expecting when there's so little to do in the game. Simple attack/defend commands are in the game. With out medics, resupply, etc.. what else do you really need? I find it ironic that squad spawning in 1943 (and BC2) is so.. open. There's no definitive squad leadership.. and when you consider how DICE went out of their way to nerf squad-hopping in BF2, that seems pretty ridiculous!

But that's what you get when they listen to the dominant player base.. aka pub scrubs.

The one thing I'm most worried about in BC2 is the context sensitive spot button. There's literally one button to do.. well.. many things. I hope they bring back the radial quick coms from BF2 in the PC version.

Well... no... that's not the biggest worry I have. That still belongs to the jack of all trades approach to kit design.

I didn't seem to have nearly as many problems joining squads in 1943, but I got bored as hell of the game pretty quickly. I won't be buying the PC version.

UAV Gameplay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zrgio8TmJo

^^ thanks Uruk.

Boo.

I hate the "prone is for camping" crowd. Noobs.

http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-battlefield-ba...

Giant Bomb quick look.

Yep. I have no issues with doing things to help make snipers hidden in the grass easier to spot (e.g. MW2 has the muzzle flare and scope reflection) and with stun grenades and such campers often can be neutralized. Heck, do a death cam, pop them up on the radar, etc. Camping IS a problem in TDM games, but in Team Objective games camping is not something I find an issue with.

It can be at times.. but it's a little less common. You have those guys who only care about getting kills. I've seen plenty of Demoman campers in TF2.

Yea, it's a bummer that they haven't actually upgraded their bandwidth to go along with it!

Do you have a 1080p+ monitor? It looks pretty great to me. Granted the video is pretty heavily compressed and BC2 doesn't look great in 1080p, but their streams are just fine.