Wait, what? Stingers don't take two shots to disable vehicles? They did in the beta. I haven't even bothered using them for that reason.

This game needs a fucking patch. It's so obnoxious that we have to wait for important (MOUSE INPUT) fixes while they re-balance things and add horns. That's gettin' your fucking priorities straight.Rush is pretty bad and you play hardcore. I don't think you like Battlefield anymore.

The game is far from perfect, but it's still damn good. The biggest issues I see are the overwhelming abundance of linear, infantry heavy conquest maps, as well as map size and design in general, and kit design. M249 noobs everywhere, a horrifically gimped recon class, etc.

Might as well get your trade in credit now if that's the limit on your patience.

They're not all bad.. I really dig stuff like Operation Firestorm (and Caspian Border, and Kharg Island) but there's not enough of it. It's also pretty silly how large the boundaries of that map are, considering how clustered the flags are (even in "large" mode). The 64 player versions of most maps are really poorly executed compared to their 32 player counterparts. Operation Metro is probably the most telling thing here. Every map, every mode! lol..

I'm actually fond enough of the infantry gameplay that maps like Bazaar can be pretty fun too, but they break with large player counts very quickly. 32 can seem like too much for some of those levels.. especially Metro :D

No it doesn't, but you're not going to get an argument from me about what should or could be fixed by now. I think the mouse input bug should have been a day one hotfix. But they're bundling things into a larger patch, clearly.. and doing hotfixes on consoles is a clusterfuck thanks to the certification hoops that MS (and yes--Sony!) make developers go through prior to getting fixes out. A two week timer is a weird thing to hold over the game. If you're going to give up on it quickly, you should have just waited longer (like you said you were going to in the first place).

Good lord the F2000 is a beast!

Back to Karkand will address my issue with level design by adding more variety back into the game. Stuff like hp/armor regen and the wacky kit design is just a result of catering to the dumbest players.

And yet, it's still very good. It's certainly not the BF3 I wanted, nor is it the BC3 that people have accused it of being. It's simply a more unique title than that. BF3 is its own thing.

I agree in each case. The large maps have the flags too close. I agree on the good maps ... and while I like the infantry combat this time the - in destruction + too many choke points = crappy choke point spamming. Not. Fun. Considering it lacks the CS/CoD gunplay to allow resolution.

Btw, there is some serious latency in the game.

I'm not all doom and gloom about it, but I do agree for the most part. I still think the game is quite good, but I also think that too many concessions have been made in this franchise for the lonewolf and the infantry only players. And as a result, the game starts to lose its identity completely. To me, this is easily one of the least recognizable games in the franchise. That calls back to an earlier point I made about its individuality. There are shades of BF2 here--and at times Counter Strike, Medal of Honor, Call of Duty and Bad Company. No one of those things overwhelms me.. and the result is something that's actually a little fresh. It's just not as good as Battlefield 2.

I think the infantry gameplay is pretty great, really. I think the vehicle combat is pretty good too, but it's taken a step backwards. And in both, there are simply too many things here built around the solo player (regen, kit design, etc). One of the great things about previous Battlefield games is how much you had to depend on other classes. That's one of the things that really made it work.

I actually think the core infantry mechanics (gunplay, movement, etc) are among the most solid the franchise has ever offered. It almost makes it more unfortunate. Do you guys remember that design document that leaked years ago for this game? It might have been bullshit, but at the time it seemed that they were ramping up things like the chain of command instead of removing them entirely! If you took some of the ideas present in that document and mixed them with the core mechanics of this game, the result could have been the best team shooter ever. Right now, it's simply the best team shooter of the year (sorry Red Orchestra, I haven't played you yet!). It's still a very good game.

I still think it possible that BF3 will have legs. We'll see. I doubt I'll hit the 1000+ hour mark though. We'll see!

The IR scopes are basically cheating :D

The F2000 is still my new favorite assault rifle. I hope they keep it relatively strong after the first patch.

What guns do people recommend with loadouts for each class?

I don't have many unlocks and would like some advice on what I should be working toward. I like playing Assault, Recon, and Eng. Recon is nerfed and Eng. has some lame rifles at the beginning.

F2000! F2000! And A-91 for Engi. I can't speak much for Recon or Support right now, but the M249 sure is popular.

And the IR sights are just hax.

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