http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/news/view/283...

Monster patch is monster.

Prepare for massive bitching. I did some already ;)

Some of that is awesome. I think it'll be pretty good overall. Some of it will get taken out when people realize how dumb it is, hopefully.

But ya know what? Back to playing. Pew pew pew.

Oh, come on. Really?I don't understand your post but if you think it's dumb, I agree. That's not what flares do. That said, they're also buffing stingers and flares will no longer break locks.

There's absolutely no doubt that the Jav is overpowered right now.. and despite the change there's no reason to assume that helos will be difficult to take out. There's still a delay and without the lock break, they should still be easier to take out. Maybe this will make stingers useful again too.

This is probably the only thing post patch that I'd like to see changed again, simply for the sake of the ECM.. but they fucked up by making the ECM a late unlock, while giving the jav and soflam to people relatively quickly. The stinger is also completely useless right now.

So yeah.. I half agree. I'm not going to rage over it. If they would change it back, while making the stinger buff stay and the ECM easily to unlock, I'd probably be happier, but after this patch I'd like to see the game at least begin to stabilize.

It's OP because the vast majority of players do not have ECM's yet. It's OP because the meta-game was designed poorly. I already said it all above.

There's no reason that pilots should have been so far behind with the counter measure for a weapon that kills them in one hit and takes absolutely no skill to connect.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist (oh boy) to figure that out. Javs are not high level unlocks and they will still be the most effective way to kill a helo. The vehicle unlocks are probably the most fucked up/broken part of the meta game right now.

That's friggin stupid, sorry. There are new players too, ya know, and also tons of players who just don't fly helos very frequently. You should not be limiting their ability to pick it up at a later date. There should be nothing in the metagame that gives you absolute advantage/dominance over a player who doesn't have an unlock. Come on--this is just not how a competitive game should work. This is not an MMORPG.

And really, it has nothing to do with being able to fly them. Without the ECM you are dead, period. The vast majority of players don't seem to have it. Nearly every javelin I fire at a helo is a double kill. That's how I know the weapon is overpowered. Because you fire and forget. No unlock should give you such an absolute advantage over another player. You want to call that a skill issue? More power to ya.. but it aint. The fact is that it takes absolutely no skill for a sniper to drop a fuckin soflam and almost less skill to take out helos with the Javelin. The skill it takes to avoid the Javelin without the ECM is disproportionately higher than the (lack) of skill it takes to take out helos with the Javelin.

Aren't you the guy who bitched about them nerfing AT mines too? Give me a break. These were the most broken things in the game.

Lets just agree to disagree. I don't want this to become a rollercoaster of balance changes, but I'm not going to pretend that the metagame isn't broken either. This whole issue could have been avoided if there wasn't such a skew in the metagame. Notice how it's not tanks that are complaining? That's because everyone has smoke already. There are far, far more players with Javelins than there are people who have ECM's.

And for what it's worth, I agree that DICE should cave less. I think this is a problem that would have eventually worked itself out. And maybe this is less skewed on consoles, btw.. more than double the players, more than double the javelins. :)

Well, I too prefer the repair torch. And while they may have been designed well in BC2, their implementation at launch was really poor in BF3. I actually meant to remove that statement as it wasn't really that relevant to this discussion. We clearly don't agree. I won't keep trying to change your mind, but I think the meta game is pretty broken. I do not think making the counter measure for Javelin's a relatively late unlock for helos was anything close to smart. There are also many large, flat maps, which don't give you jack to hide behind if you've got a javelin headed your way.

As it stands, a javelin lock on a helo is almost a certain kill unless they have an ECM.

lol.. not even going to bother. But hey, on the Xbox, maybe it was.

I just played the most epic pub game I think I've played in this game period. We lost by two tickets but holy crap.. it was still immensely satisfying. I wish this game was always that good.

Be nice. Bad taste is not the same thing as low standards.

http://youtu.be/rrH8cOBx5PQ

xfactor posted some comments and accuracy plots from symthic (the actual image links on symthic are garbage) on the upcoming patch. Check it out.

It looks like the foregrip is going in the garbage, and heavy barrel is a new winner. The L85 looks friggin awesome now (and also seems to benefit more than usual from the grip).

Lets keep that revolving door spinning. I just want this thing to come out. I'm playing a lot right now, and I'm loving it, but I want to get this overhaul over with so I can adjust and move on.

Infantry is so good right now. I hope this doesn't change how it all feels.

For the consoles, did they ever "fix" it so you could enter an empty server (or one with a couple players) and play with the toys? I would like to get some practice time in an A-10 and me and a friend would like to test out various vehicle loadouts in the helos.